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Originally posted by DEADLYACURACCY Well I didnt have to spend near what you did to get into the parties I went to and got in about as easily as you because I arrived early. The wristband would be great for the whinners but then again, they would bitch that its too expensive.

i agree that it's all about arriving early. as i originally posted it was my fault because i forgot to plan ahead for ultra ending around that time, which delayed me by over an hour to drive 2 blocks to park my car. i was just ranting about the shadiness of the whole thing. at this point i'm just trying to see if i could get a refund to actually end up profiting from this whole thing as i had sold the tickets in line.

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Originally posted by JD8180 i agree that it's all about arriving early. as i originally posted it was my fault because i forgot to plan ahead for ultra ending around that time, which delayed me by over an hour to drive 2 blocks to park my car. i was just ranting about the shadiness of the whole thing. at this point i'm just trying to see if i could get a refund to actually end up profiting from this whole thing as i had sold the tickets in line.

i just like messing with you b/c you seem to get so easily annoyed at things that just come with the territory when you go to these kinds of events.
gotta admit though, the wristband made life so much less stressful. i didnt have to wait or arrive early for anything, just got right in...so if you think your time wasted outside wasn't worth $800, cool...i just know it allowed me to go to a lot of parties i wouldnt have otherwise gone to b/c of the very things you're bitchin about in this thread. to each their own.
if you got in at some point and had even an ounce of fun, stop trying to get a refund...thats just some cheapskate crap. reminds me of the small-minded people i deal with daily in the midwest always tryin to pinch a penny and worry about someone "getting one over" on them...WMC is nothing but a week of pissing your money away and having a fuckin awesome time.
sorry you didn't!

Isnt one of the advatages of buying presale tickets supposed to be guaranteed entry into an event? Regardless of what time you get there?

If not, what is the point of buying presale tickets?

And if presales dont really mean shit, then what prevents clubs from selling as many tickets as they want? Then when people who purchased presales bitch about it, the club blames it on those people for not arriving on time...that just doesnt make sense to me

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Originally posted by AMMORA i just like messing with you b/c you seem to get so easily annoyed at things that just come with the territory when you go to these kinds of events. gotta admit though, the wristband made life so much less stressful. i didnt have to wait or arrive early for anything, just got right in...so if you think your time wasted outside wasn't worth $800, cool...i just know it allowed me to go to a lot of parties i wouldnt have otherwise gone to b/c of the very things you're bitchin about in this thread. to each their own. if you got in at some point and had even an ounce of fun, stop trying to get a refund...thats just some cheapskate crap. reminds me of the small-minded people i deal with daily in the midwest always tryin to pinch a penny and worry about someone "getting one over" on them...WMC is nothing but a week of pissing your money away and having a fuckin awesome time. sorry you didn't!

you make it sound like this was the only event i planned on going for the entire wmc. i went to plenty of other events throughout the entire week and had an amazing time as well.

i'll admit i was a bit bummed out the night of this mishap (waiting 2 hours in a line for nothing could do that to just about anyone), but i've been quite over it since the day after. i hope i don't come across as a little whiny bitching person, because i'm far from that. actually, i was quite happy i could finally go home and rest and get my life back together.

again i'll mention that my original post was just a little rant that i wrote the night of.

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Originally posted by the unknown Isnt one of the advatages of buying presale tickets supposed to be guaranteed entry into an event? Regardless of what time you get there? If not, what is the point of buying presale tickets? And if presales dont really mean shit, then what prevents clubs from selling as many tickets as they want? Then when people who purchased presales bitch about it, the club blames it on those people for not arriving on time...that just doesnt make sense to me

It isn't unlike airlines, they sell over to capacity all the time. It doesn't make sense, but it is something you learn to deal with in certain cities/clubs. As a consumer I buy presales to save money, clubbing gets expensive and it all adds up.

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Originally posted by JD8180 buy me a pair of those and i promise i'll stop my bitching.

Bitch, sonic?



Closest thing I could come up with Bitching and your sonic icon

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Originally posted by the unknown Yes, if I buy presales to an event I feel like I can show up whenever I want. Yes, I live in a hick town, but regardless, I paid for a service and was denied that service. The club has capacity limits and shouldnt sell presales if they arent going to honor all the ticketholders who purchase them. I went, stood in line for fucking ever, therefore I would like a refund...is that wrong? Just because it's like this in Vegas, doesnt mean it has to be this way in Miami. People who are "ok" with purchasing presales and then having to pay an additional $200 to get into a party are pretty much enabling these clubs/bouncers/whoever to do this...making it acceptable I dont find that acceptable. If a club wants to be like that, then dont sell presale tickets to an event! Just charge admission at the door and rape people for however much you want. You damn sure wont catch me paying $200 to get into a club And by no means am I saying it was the club owners fault for what went on, especially with the $200 bribes to be snuck in the back. But someone has to dish out some compensation

Don't know why you even bothered replying to the Idiot, he was sipping his hick Corona the whole time the bullshit outside was going on and so doesn't really know what he's talking about.

Only an IDIOT would find it acceptable to be denied entry after purchasing tickets to an event. Turning up to a club even at midnight is pretty early in Miami, but I wouldn't expect the hick from San Fran to know this because he's probably ready for bed after Armins dropped shivers at 2.30am.

FACT = You paid for an event, queued several hours for the event which resulted in missing the headliner (which I wasn't bothered about personally) all because the event was oversold. It's just a ridiculous argument where there's no question those who who were locked out are rightfully owed a refund for their tickets, no law in the land would see it any other way..this is not the fucking wild west

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Originally posted by DEADLYACURACCY Well Fucking Said!!! I live in a small coastal town where there are ZERO upscale clubs and people havnt the slightest clue down here on how to party or why they sell water in a night club. Yet, I know the game

Of course you do sunshine

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Originally posted by DEADLYACURACCY Well I didnt have to spend near what you did to get into the parties I went to and got in about as easily as you because I arrived early. The wristband would be great for the whinners but then again, they would bitch that its too expensive.

It's great you have nothing better to do with your life than arrive at clubs as they open but I personally find hanging around an empty club for a couple of hours drinking overpriced drinks amongst 50 or so 1st time clubber's a little embarrassing.

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Originally posted by 3tlk It isn't unlike airlines, they sell over to capacity all the time. It doesn't make sense, but it is something you learn to deal with in certain cities/clubs. As a consumer I buy presales to save money, clubbing gets expensive and it all adds up.

and so you turn up for your flight with the ticket and the airline tells you the flight is full now, they don't just tell you to fuck off? they get you on the next flight or give you a refund and apologize!

Well, this thread sure has taken off. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing . Let me say first that I did not arrive incredibly early, and I walked right into a fairly full Parkwest. I had a great time and feel very fortunate because I learned that the outside clusterf*ck started about 10-15 minutes after I strolled over from Ultra. I guess I was just lucky like that all week . I wish it hadn't all gone down like it did for a lot of people outside. I had friends who arrived shortly after I did and never got in. In any case, about the presales........ I understand how someone would feel cheated if they bought a ticket for ANYTHING, and didn't get to enjoy it. Clubbing events, however, don't quite follow the same rules as, say, the airlines, concerts, amusement parks, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is usually a time clearly stated (especially on wantickets) when you buy the tickets, that capacity can only be held until. Now, from my experience this is usually some rediculously early time like 11pm, but nevertheless, is still a predetermined time, after which NOBODY is guaranteed entry. I dont agree with how it works, but it is how it is. I personally feel that they should only presale a certain percentage of capacity so that all presales can get in, yet they could still open GA. Until I run my own nightclub, however, it probably wont work this way. As far as the shady, cash collecting bouncers are concerned, I wouldn't think LP would be too happy with how they're conducting business. I don't think any GA should be let in ahead of presales if both are in line. I admire that they offered passes to head over to Ferry Corsten that night, but I do think refunds should be awarded to anyone who never got in to parkwest.

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Originally posted by Charlie Brown It's great you have nothing better to do with your life than arrive at clubs as they open but I personally find hanging around an empty club for a couple of hours drinking overpriced drinks amongst 50 or so 1st time clubber's a little embarrassing.

Thats the difference between you and me. I dont find it embarassing hanging out with my closest of friends while the club fills up. Its not important to me whats going on around me. What is important is that im with friends in the venue and not assed out like others.

It is sad & unfortunate for many who were unable to get in for what ever reason it was.

If indeed PArkWest was up to capacity.. They did make an effort to compensate whoever may want to go to the Ultra Afterparty for free. So they did try to resolve an issue at hand at that moment, but some unfortunately did not want that.

I let everyone know ahead of time that Fire Marshall would be out in full effect. Even at another venue besides parkWest Patt Mcgroin warned everyone that they were out.

Next year ne careful & try to get there as early as possible.

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Originally posted by Charlie Brown and so you turn up for your flight with the ticket and the airline tells you the flight is full now, they don't just tell you to fuck off? they get you on the next flight or give you a refund and apologize!

Amazing, with all the price gauging, late departures, late arrivals, lost baggage, bad service, etc... I thought using the airlines as an example was a sure bet.

- Airlines don't reimburse for time lost, travel cost to/from airport, and lost hotel charge at your destination when your bumped to a flight the next day.
- Clubs don't reimburse you for your taxi ride, time lost, etc.

- Airlines have been known to leave early even after your checked in then try to charge you for for the next flight at current rate.
- Clubs have been known to stop admittance once they hit capacity then charge extraordinary fees to let you in.

If I recall, people have been getting refunds from WanTickets. At least if you see a line that is unmanageable at WMC you can walk over to one of many clubs nearby and get a refund.

I am not trying to defend the clubs, it is just how it is. If it is up to the club they would pack everyone in. In the end the fire marshall forces the club to make it as safe an environment as possible and I appreciate that more than anything else. Take it as a lesson learned and be prepared for next year.

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Originally posted by DEADLYACURACCY Thats the difference between you and me. I dont find it embarassing hanging out with my closest of friends while the club fills up. Its not important to me whats going on around me. What is important is that im with friends in the venue and not assed out like others.

Like I say, thats great for you! I was enjoying Carl Cox before making it to Parkwest at 12.30, it's not my fault they oversold the event and so I simply want a refund on tickets which were basically worthless as a result.

The venue wasn't even overpacked. The 2nd room was EMPTY.

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Originally posted by DCgirly The venue wasn't even overpacked. The 2nd room was EMPTY.

ooohhh, ouch . Yeah, I been trying to mention this as little as possible because it really puts a whole 'nother factor into the mix for people to be upset about. I think the fire marshall (if that was the case) needs to re-evaluate the capacity limit for this particular club. I could not believe how much room there was in the main room the entire night. There were times when almost nobody occupied the VIP area, yet there was still plenty of room to move on the dance floor. Now, normally I would have zero problem with this , except for the fact that people were being kept from coming in for supposed safety reasons. From what I've heard about LP, he is a good business man who will address these concerns and hopefully create a much better situation next year.

at my lalwer lights out night - I didn't have any probs getting in actually. and I arrived at 12:30-1am.

I guess arriving early at any event kinda guarentees you access. common logic - same applies to space.

Everyone call your CC companies and do chargebacks...don't let them steal your money if u didn't get in. Doing this should put a hamper on their extorting ways for the future!

Wantickets has been very professional about this matter.
I got a refund w/o the fees , its not their fault i wasn't granted access into the club. I dont think the promoter is to blame either, Things went really smooth @ Space during the WMC and Management try to make things better by giving out bracelets to go to the carry on which was pretty good btw. Ferry Killed it so did George Acosta Too many 18 year olds
We cannot hate on Parkwest because a couple of dickheads @ the door were accepting bribes and sneaking people through the back door. (on second thought) if i was a bouncer or a door guy I would probably do the same thing "show me the money"

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