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Originally posted by stev�sto "sucking cock" ranges from moving speakers around/hanging up plastic, to kissing ass and bribery. or did you actually think of the literal sense? your facts suck. you dont know what's really going on with these people, you dont know them personally, maybe you exchanged a few words but that is nothing to knowing a true story. i could care less about this dude! he's just like dubfire, they sound real similiar and both have music that is as uncreative as their names. i dont care about him so much, but you do!

Again, my "facts" are based in reality, in what has actually happened and what is actually happening and yours are not. None of your definitions of "sucking cock" apply to Matt Edwards. That is, fact.

Whether or not you choose to accept them is up to you, but everyone here can see you're talking straight out your ass, and I don't really feel the need to continue trying to convince you. If you want to keep calling the sky purple, go ahead.

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Originally posted by RJT You can disregard my above post. You're a fucking idiot and I'm not even going to bother giving you the time of day anymore. Take some of your own advice and fuck off.

Right.

the "i have better things to do to argue with you" technique.

i think that's number 5

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Originally posted by RJT Everyone else seemed to get it. Oh well, the world needs dim bulbs too. I know you do. All of us know.

To be fair, i checked his bio just to make sure of the dates.

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Originally posted by julien2 Right. the "i have better things to do to argue with you" technique. i think that's number 5

I think you're trying to argue matters of taste with Rob, and that doesn't work.

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Originally posted by RJT Everyone else seemed to get it. Oh well, the world needs dim bulbs too. I know you do. All of us know.

aww come on Rob, now those are just useless insults dude.

As soon as you start using personal insults in a serious argument, you lose credibility.

I will disregard this because you usually make me laugh. Because you know, when you insult other people, its funnier

Oh and for the record, I had not gotten your sarcasm in the first post, and REALLY thought you were serious...

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Originally posted by Clovis I think you're trying to argue matters of taste with Rob, and that doesn't work.

It doesn't even have to be me - arguing taste with anyone is a fucking pointless affair (shockingly what this very thread was about from the onset! MY GOD IT'S COME FULL CIRCLE!).

Jesus.

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Originally posted by Clovis I think you're trying to argue matters of taste with Rob, and that doesn't work.

Well, I know what I am about to say will start an entire other debate, but:

I, for one, believe that tastes are debatable.

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Originally posted by RJT PS: As long as we're talking about internet argument techniques, I feel obligated to tell you that just using the words "you fail" doesn't actually mean the person you quoted failed. It means you don't have anything better to say.

you mean like posting a picture of some straws?

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Originally posted by julien2 Well, I know what I am about to say will start an entire other debate, but: I, for one, believe that tastes are debatable.

To a point. Just as music is subjective to a point. If you're going to get into it with someone who on the whole likes the same music as you, its gonna be fucking rough man. Just sayin'. I learned to eschew from getting into it with Rob over such minor differences of opinion a while ago, because it doesn't go anywhere. Our tastes are often congruent and sometimes they aren't, such makes the spice of life I think.

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Originally posted by stev�sto you mean like posting a picture of some straws?

woosh

I've pretty much just strayed from threads like this entirely, but the subject line alone was good for some lulz so I clicked. Stevesto made totally worth my time.

i learned that most of the times after a blip you will get a blop

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Originally posted by Clovis Again, my "facts" are based in reality, in what has actually happened and what is actually happening and yours are not. None of your definitions of "sucking cock" apply to Matt Edwards. That is, fact. Whether or not you choose to accept them is up to you, but everyone here can see you're talking straight out your ass, and I don't really feel the need to continue trying to convince you. If you want to keep calling the sky purple, go ahead.

you dont know these people! you dont know what they've done to get their records played! all you can do is read RA and bios and other crap online. you can only assume, just as ive done. one POV is not better than the other. sheesh.

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Originally posted by stev�sto you dont know these people! you dont know what they've done to get their records played! all you can do is read RA and bios and other crap online. you can only assume, just as ive done. one POV is not better than the other. sheesh.

How does hanging out with him, several times mind you, and various conversations not equate to knowing someone?

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Originally posted by Clovis To a point. Just as music is subjective to a point. If you're going to get into it with someone who on the whole likes the same music as you, its gonna be fucking rough man. Just sayin'. I learned to eschew from getting into it with Rob over such minor differences of opinion a while ago, because it doesn't go anywhere. Our tastes are often congruent and sometimes they aren't, such makes the spice of life I think.

Yup you are right. just to explain what I mean by tastes are debatable, I will take a really simple and dumb example (not to be confused with this argument with Rob)

The average 17 yr old tiesto fan. 99% of the time, if he really takes the time, it's going to be just a phase. Why ? Because he will quickly understand the formulaic use of the trance stereotypes by big names (and i am not shitting on them, they do what they have to do and are often a good start to get some people in edm).

As soon as his tastes are debated, his tastes change.

And I believe its the same to pretty much any extent.

Tastes are subject to change, depending on environment and exposure

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Originally posted by Clovis To a point. Just as music is subjective to a point. If you're going to get into it with someone who on the whole likes the same music as you, its gonna be fucking rough man. Just sayin'. I learned to eschew from getting into it with Rob over such minor differences of opinion a while ago, because it doesn't go anywhere. Our tastes are often congruent and sometimes they aren't, such makes the spice of life I think.

The thing is, I don't even think that taste comes into play in acknowledging that producers are formulaic. Prydz is, G&D were, Radio Slave is, Deadmau5 is, Richard Durand, Sean Tyas, Glenn Morrison, hell - even guys like Romboy and Bodzin have a pretty solid formula down.

Some folks seem to only perceive the formula in artists they want to criticize but are blind to it with artists they like, and that is what's of interest to me - how such a concept can be denied in one area and yet embraced to criticize something else, and the only reason I can seem to find as to why such a thing occurs is taste, which brings us back to the whole "Are you really entitled to say 'Hey man, this track is totally shit because I don't like it'?" and actually have it mean anything more than "I do not like this track."?

oh and just to add, most of the time, my tastes are also congruent with Rob, except that i like my music more stripped down than he does....

but i thought this thread was just a dumb one, coming from him, and did not really see the sarcasm...

They are both formulaic, but in different ways. Radio Slave's sound is much more crisp and quality, plus he never adds some shitty melody for the cheap thrills effect.

The bottom line is that they both suck either way and are top notch example of everything that's wrong with EDM ethics.

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Originally posted by RJT The thing is, I don't even think that taste comes into play in acknowledging that producers are formulaic. Prydz is, G&D were, Radio Slave is, Deadmau5 is, Richard Durand, Sean Tyas, Glenn Morrison, hell - even guys like Romboy and Bodzin have a pretty solid formula down. The thing is, some folks seem to only perceive the formula in artists they want to criticize but are blind to it with artists they like, and that is what's of interest to me - how such a concept can be denied in one area and yet embraced to criticize something else, and the only reason I can seem to find as to why such a thing occurs is taste, which brings us back to the whole "Are you really entitled to say 'Hey man, this track is totally shit because I don't like it'?" and actually have it mean anything more than "I do not like this track."?

Hulien if you read the above it should be a perfect indicator of what this thread is about. I like Rob's point and I do agree.

In the end for me, the formula is much less important than the actual content and overall feeling. Formulaic can be great imo.

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Originally posted by RJT The thing is, I don't even think that taste comes into play in acknowledging that producers are formulaic. Prydz is, G&D were, Radio Slave is, Deadmau5 is, Richard Durand, Sean Tyas, Glenn Morrison, hell - even guys like Romboy and Bodzin have a pretty solid formula down. The thing is, some folks seem to only perceive the formula in artists they want to criticize but are blind to it with artists they like, and that is what's of interest to me - how such a concept can be denied in one area and yet embraced to criticize something else, and the only reason I can seem to find as to why such a thing occurs is taste, which brings us back to the whole "Are you really entitled to say 'Hey man, this track is totally shit because I don't like it'?" and actually have it mean anything more than "I do not like this track."?

Yeah, I guess some people can be pretty narrow-minded like that, fan boys or what have you.

Luckily, I am able of criticism. For example, even if I still love my Richie, I can't stress enough how i think M_nus has gone to shit recently.

However, I still believe than taste is debatable, and I still believe that a formula for a mood and 5 tracks sounding EXACTLY the same is a world of difference

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Originally posted by RJT The thing is, some folks seem to only perceive the formula in artists they want to criticize but are blind to it with artists they like, and that is what's of interest to me - how such a concept can be denied in one area and yet embraced to criticize something else

Does it really happen that often though? I don't necessarily read a whole lot of threads in MD, but I don't notice anyone necessarily being "blind" to artists' formulas they like. What I tend to see more of, or at least interpret it as, is just people discussing a formula they don't like.

OH !

and may i add, i think some radio slave tracks are total garbage.

and deadmau5 is the rodent in that garbage

again, Radio Slave is the man and cannot be fucked with.

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Originally posted by Clovis In the end for me, the formula is much less important than the actual content and overall feeling. Formulaic can be great imo.

Yes, it can - but it's a fine line between doing things right and laziness.

So while you could find yourself really liking certain producers formulas, there almost always seems to come a point where I'd like to see something different from guys I've followed a while, and when that doesn't happen with artists I see potential in, or have enjoyed for a while, it's definitely a disappointing experience.

I guess it's the musicians who are capable of thriving without relying entirely on a formulaic approach to the music they make who I really think have staying power. This doesn't mean I don't have loads of cookie cutter techno and tech house in my CD book, but those don't tend to stick around for all together too long.

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Originally posted by bas Does it really happen that often though? I don't necessarily read a whole lot of threads in MD, but I don't notice anyone necessarily being "blind" to artists' formulas they like. What I tend to see more of, or at least interpret it as, is just people discussing a formula they don't like.

I don't know - I feel like I see some variation of:

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Another generic _______ tune that's just like ______ and all the rest of the stuff he's done. Total shit.

...pops up pretty often throughout TA. Like a few dozen times a day.

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