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Originally posted by Zombie0729 Scientists think the Triassic period was so hot because of increidbly high levles of volcanic activity. they think two sea ridges broke and thru that, the beginning of the "ring of fire" was made. volcanos release a lot sulfor dioxide into the air which has a similar green house effect to us burning fossil fules but the whole 'sulfur' part makes it highly toxic.

Your "science" is completely backwards on this one. Volcanic eruption causes cooling. Sulfur dioxide is a criteria pollutant that, when released into the atmosphere, reflects radiation in the solar wavelengths.

It was a good effort at sounding smart, though.

Edit: I also think its hilarious that by posting one graph you feel like youve completely debunked global warming. Like no one has ever seen it before, and no one has ever thought about it.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Your "science" is completely backwards on this one. Volcanic eruption causes cooling. Sulfur dioxide is a criteria pollutant that, when released into the atmosphere, reflects radiation in the solar wavelengths. It was a good effort at sounding smart, though. Edit: I also think its hilarious that by posting one graph you feel like youve completely debunked global warming. Like no one has ever seen it before, and no one has ever thought about it.

i'm just joining a debate but grabbing my old text book at as we speak, it reads:

"As for the world-wide affects of volcanic eruptions this only happens when there are large explosive eruptions that throw material into the stratosphere....It seems to depend on the size of the particles (again mostly droplets of sulfuric acid). If they are big then they let sunlight in but don't let heat radiated from the Earth's surface out, and the net result is a warmer Earth (the famous Greenhouse effect)"

thanks for commending my efforts!

edit: yup thats exactly what i did.

Ignorance: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's little problems.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 edit: yup thats exactly what i did.

It is, and it wasn't very convincing. Actually, it wasn't convincing at all.

Re: Please....

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Originally posted by The17sss Fox news... MSN.... CNN... it doesn't matter. The point is global warming is B.S. Nature is going through it's natural cycle. NBC got busted yesterday for showing "global warming" footage at the north pole, with penguines kickin it in the background. Only problem is, penguines only live in the south pole, and NBC got nabbed editing footage to fit their narrative because they had nothing real to fill the slot with. So, they had to retract the video and apologize. They'll all show footage of an ice cap melting, but not the other 18 that are gaining ice volume. The .7 degree in temperature rise that's happened over the last 25 years was erased after this past year. It's the natural cycle of nature. Why should we listen to these fucking gas bags like Al Gore (who made a couple hundred million dollars in the last few years on pushing this bullshit)who aren't sceintists? Who benefits from all this? The same politicians and liberal professors who are finding ways to use global warming to increase taxes, get huge money reasearch grants, control what we do, and profit from it. I'm sure they're laughing all the way to the bank on their private jets while they tell us to use incandescent light bulbs and drive electric cars. Wake up people... common sense must prevail.

+1

I've never bought into the global warming hype.

and I dont recycle.

Off-topic Fun Fact: Most serious environmentalists (read: not the crazies) don't believe recycling to be worth much of anything at all, and in some cases, arguably more damaging to the environment than it is beneficial.

The only two R's that matter are reduce and reuse.

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Originally posted by RJT Off-topic Fun Fact: Most serious environmentalists (read: not the crazies) don't believe recycling to be worth much of anything at all, and in some cases, arguably more damaging to the environment than it is beneficial. The only two R's that matter are reduce and reuse.

But... but they told me I was doing my part!

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Originally posted by idoru But... but they told me I was doing my part!

It's OK m8 - life is all about people doing stupid shit and then learning from their mistakes, trying something else thinking it's good, realizing that's also more stupid shit, learning from that mistake, and trying something else... and on and on.

Vicious cycle, etc.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 i'm just joining a debate but grabbing my old text book at as we speak, it reads: "As for the world-wide affects of volcanic eruptions this only happens when there are large explosive eruptions that throw material into the stratosphere....It seems to depend on the size of the particles (again mostly droplets of sulfuric acid). If they are big then they let sunlight in but don't let heat radiated from the Earth's surface out, and the net result is a warmer Earth (the famous Greenhouse effect)" thanks for commending my efforts! edit: yup thats exactly what i did.

This is completely wrong. The only sulfuric greenhouse gas is sulfur hexafluoride (SF6, you can look it up yourself) and there are absolutely no natural sources of it - it is completely man-made.

I appreciate that you're "joining the debate" but just because something is in a book doesn't mean it's Zeus's word. Trust me on this, this stuff is what I do.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 there's no question in my mind we're shapping how the earth is being treated and effected. however to say that we're putting the earth in a state of emergency isn't that extreme. anywyas you guys would have loved the classes i took on these, highly recommend you take one -- some very interesting topics and debates.

Look, the bottom line, as I always re-iterate in every single one of these retarded "debates" is that, you're either on the side of pollution or on the side of conservation and ATTEMPTING respecting ecology. Any action to reduce emissions, waste less, use less fossil fuels, use less energy, find alternative energy sources, reverse the enormous damage being done to the ocean and atmosphere, etc... is all GOOD. It is helpful to the environment, global warming completely aside. The funny thing today is, the global warming debate has become the environmental debate. So if FOX, conservatives etc can push the view that it is a hoax and doesn't mean anything on everyone, people will continue to be against environmentally sound measures and actions, and trying to do any good because they have this excuse that it doesn't matter. Climate change aside, pollution is doing damage, waste is doing damage, and the human impact on the natural world is soaring.
To me the climate change debate will always remain an environmental debate for those reasons. If you can put aside the specifics of whether or not the earth is getting hotter or whether or not the sea level will rise, it should not be that hard to understand that we have been polluting in thousands of ways exponentially since the industrial revolution and the human impact on earth is having profound effects, in ALL areas not just the climate. You can choose to keep helping the people looking for excuses to not give a fuck (as the entire anti-global warming/its a big fucking hoax/they're just making money camp is doing), or, once again, you can stop cock blocking the scientific community and most of the world from moving forward to better ways of living...

As far as the recylcing goes, it definitely depends on what we're talking about. If we're talking about low-grade plastics, by all means, recycle. Cans... Im not sure on. I think it about breaks even.

In finding a position on the recylcing issue, you have to determine what your net goal is. The space used up for landfills is becoming obsurd, not to mention the fact that landfills emit methane gas (a greenhouse gas 25 times as potent as carbon dioxide). If we're talking about being good to the environment in general, yeah, its probably beneficial to recycle. Speaking strictly on carbon... it's not as clear-cut.

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Originally posted by Clovis Look, the bottom line, as I always re-iterate in every single one of these retarded "debates" is that, you're either on the side of pollution or on the side of conservation and ATTEMPTING respecting ecology. Any action to reduce emissions, waste less, use less fossil fuels, use less energy, find alternative energy sources, reverse the enormous damage being done to the ocean and atmosphere, etc... is all GOOD. It is helpful to the environment, global warming completely aside. The funny thing today is, the global warming debate has become the environmental debate. So if FOX, conservatives etc can push the view that it is a hoax and doesn't mean anything on everyone, people will continue to be against environmentally sound measures and actions, and trying to do any good because they have this excuse that it doesn't matter. Climate change aside, pollution is doing damage, waste is doing damage, and the human impact on the natural world is soaring. To me the climate change debate will always remain an environmental debate for those reasons. If you can put aside the specifics of whether or not the earth is getting hotter or whether or not the sea level will rise, it should not be that hard to understand that we have been polluting in thousands of ways exponentially since the industrial revolution and the human impact on earth is having profound effects, in ALL areas not just the climate. You can choose to keep helping the people looking for excuses to not give a fuck (as the entire anti-global warming/its a big fucking hoax/they're just making money camp is doing), or, once again, you can stop cock blocking the scientific community and most of the world from moving forward to better ways of living...

Give this man the fucking gold star.

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Originally posted by Clovis Look, the bottom line, as I always re-iterate in every single one of these retarded "debates" is that, you're either on the side of pollution or on the side of conservation and ATTEMPTING respecting ecology. Any action to reduce emissions, waste less, use less fossil fuels, use less energy, find alternative energy sources, reverse the enormous damage being done to the ocean and atmosphere, etc... is all GOOD. It is helpful to the environment, global warming completely aside. The funny thing today is, the global warming debate has become the environmental debate. So if FOX, conservatives etc can push the view that it is a hoax and doesn't mean anything on everyone, people will continue to be against environmentally sound measures and actions, and trying to do any good because they have this excuse that it doesn't matter. Climate change aside, pollution is doing damage, waste is doing damage, and the human impact on the natural world is soaring. To me the climate change debate will always remain an environmental debate for those reasons. If you can put aside the specifics of whether or not the earth is getting hotter or whether or not the sea level will rise, it should not be that hard to understand that we have been polluting in thousands of ways exponentially since the industrial revolution and the human impact on earth is having profound effects, in ALL areas not just the climate. You can choose to keep helping the people looking for excuses to not give a fuck (as the entire anti-global warming/its a big fucking hoax/they're just making money camp is doing), or, once again, you can stop cock blocking the scientific community and most of the world from moving forward to better ways of living...

i'm with ya bro. i drive a hybrid car, i've always been the roomate to turn off lights/electric whatever when i'm not in the room (i voted for the last 5 bills that allow people to deduct energy effecient items ). i'm all for a better & greener earth don't get me wrong. we have an effect, yes. but for people to run around screaming 'global warming' isn't justified to me for a variety reasons. i'm not saying 'oh i took classes and know better' but we had scientists from all over the world come in and guest lecture on the topic. some as hardcore as you could imagine(telling us the end was near) and some sitting back saying 'this is ludicrous' . in the end, all of them wanted us to be well aware that our actions have consequences and that things needed to change. that mindset i'm 100% with.

Ang ' ela_ie -- i don't know too much about the authors but Scott Rowland PHD(Univ of Hawaii) and Dr Dan Walker (Columbia/UH) were the ones stating the facts on the volcanoes during the Triassic period.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 i'm with ya bro. i drive a hybrid car, i've always been the roomate to turn off lights/electric whatever when i'm not in the room (i voted for the last 5 bills that allow people to deduct energy effecient items ). i'm all for a better & greener earth don't get me wrong. we have an effect, yes. but for people to run around screaming 'global warming' isn't justified to me for a variety reasons. i'm not saying 'oh i took classes and know better' but we had scientists from all over the world come in and guest lecture on the topic. some as hardcore as you could imagine(telling us the end was near) and some sitting back saying 'this is ludicrous' . in the end, all of them wanted us to be well aware that our actions have consequences and that things needed to change. that mindset i'm 100% with. Ang ' ela_ie -- i don't know too much about the authors but Scott Rowland PHD(Univ of Hawaii) and Dr Dan Walker (Columbia/UH) were the ones stating the facts on the volcanoes during the Triassic period.

People run around screaming anything that gets as much momentum as this issue. The media and the whitehouse have turned the environmental debate into "do you think global warming is real" It's terribly harmful imo. I'm not going to back down from supporting green measures, less waste, etc just because people disagree over whether or not the earth is getting warmer because of us.

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