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Pro's:

- Enjoyable park & trail system
- Toronto Islands
- High Park
- Promise Parties - Cherry Beach especially.
- Various "communities" / villages - China Town, Little India, Church Street, Kensington, etc
- Lax attitudes towards things like Hotbox Cafe & Kindered Cafe - mmm, special milkshakes on a rooftop patio.
- Diverse EDM scene - sure, may not be as big as other cities/countries, but its enjoyable. Also may not always get bookings I like, but I do recognize the talent that comes through here, even if I dont like the DJ.
- All around pretty accepting of gays
- Lots of free stuff going on if you look for it
- Lots of not so free stuff going on
- Killer local talent for DJs
- 60% of where I need to be is within a reasonable walking distance
- 90% of where I need to be is within a reasonable walking distance if the weather is nice
- Toronto Pride & the activate stage
- My best friends all live within about a 10 minute walk from me
- Promise, Tempo, Break & Enter, Platform, Fukhouse
- Close enough to Montreal that it doesn't break the bank to get there once or twice a year or a nice change of pace.
- Healthy job market for my industry, I dont see myself hurting for work anytime soon, *knocks on wood, and perhaps I should stop posting on TA from work*

Con's:

- Random pockets of stench
- TTC service
- Aggressive homeless people
- Expensive rent

Con's that are sort of cons, but add character:
- semi-famous Toronto Crazies - do yo have any CHAAAAAAAAANGE lady (when she's not under my bedroom window), "JESUS IS THE LORD" guy at Younge & Dundas, Rat-Guy over at University, Blind-Turrets on the subway guy. Sure, they can be a bother - but also add character at times.

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Originally posted by kaniz "JESUS IS THE LORD" guy at Younge & Dundas,

omg!
that guy scares me so much
he almost just pops around the corner and yells!

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Originally posted by kaniz "JESUS IS THE LORD" guy at Younge & Dundas,

I thought i was going to witness a holy war on saturday afternoon when the "Jesus is Lord" dude, black muslims (wearing black framed glasses, trench coats, fedoras and bowties) and Muslims (mostly Arabs) were recruiting and parading all within 20 feet of each other outside the sears doors.

bwar coru om rjw qpe;s rp ;ocw~

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Originally posted by Capo di tutti I thought i was going to witness a holy war on saturday afternoon when the "Jesus is Lord" dude, black muslims (wearing black framed glasses, trench coats, fedoras and bowties) and Muslims (mostly Arabs) were recruiting and parading all within 20 feet of each other outside the sears doors.

LOL!
when I was reading this, for some reason I was imagining a "HOOOOKEY so this is Earth" cartoon in my head :P

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker bwar coru om rjw qpe;s rp ;ocw~

uhuh

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker bwar coru om rjw qpe;s rp ;ocw~

I agree

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Originally posted by kaniz "JESUS IS THE LORD" guy at Younge & Dundas,

BELIEEEEEVE IN THE LORD!!!

Lol he is a pro in my books... Makes me smile every time. lol. Although sometimes he gets in the way when trying to cross the street.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker bwar coru om rjw qpe;s rp ;ocw~

best city in the world to live! (even)

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker best city in the world to live! (even)

that place sounds welsh

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Originally posted by English Rachel Absolutely I agree with you but I meant, as Emery did (I think) that we don't have a 'culture' of our own which would be a blend of all the cultures that live here.

in a way, but more specifically without a culture of or own, when you look at this city on the world stage we seem to be more trend followers than trend setters

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Originally posted by SasH21 Yes, that's what I meant...So, what did I come off as trying to say then?

you're all good, I understood!


btw. here's a good recent editorial by Hume in the TO Star regarding the Waterfront

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Poor planning undermines waterfront May 13, 2008 Christopher Hume So, this is the year we've all been waiting for � the year when things finally start to come together on Toronto's long-suffering waterfront. The tally includes the almost-complete Unwin Ave. generating station; the massive Filmport studio complex on the shipping channel; the Corus Entertainment headquarters at the foot of Jarvis St.; new housing on the old McCord cement plant at King St. and the Don River; as well as the remake of the Central Waterfront area between Bathurst and Yonge Sts. These are just the first of many projects that will transform Toronto. Though they are reason for excitement, they're also cause for concern. The first question that comes to mind is Filmport; no doubt the 20-hectare complex will revive Toronto's flagging movie industry. Just one thing: Why is it located on some of the most desirable property in the Portlands? It sits directly north of the shipping channel, which, lined with housing, could be one of the most sought-after neighbourhoods in Toronto. A film studio, on the other hand, could be put anywhere. Just weeks ago Waterfront Toronto introduced the team (an excellent one) that will build the first residential development, to be located on the former McCord site. That's good news, of course. The problem is the site is bisected by the on- and off-ramps of the Don Valley Parkway. At a news conference last month, the developers and their architects talked openly about the challenge this poses. As they made clear, it won't be easy creating a neighbourhood in the shadow of a raised highway. Which raises the question: Why weren't the film studios put there, and the housing located on the shipping channel? Then there's Corus, an office building done by a local architect that looks like nothing so much as a design/build project along Highway 400. So much for setting a standard of architectural excellence on the waterfront. The design review panel fought it tooth and nail, but it seems to have caved to the bottom feeders � make that, bottom liners. One understands � even applauds � the desire to bring jobs to the waterfront, but at what price? As both Corus and Filmport make clear, some of the most significant and potentially valuable sites have been set aside for lesser uses. In both cases, we see the heavy hand of the Toronto Economic Development Corp., or TEDCO, at work. It has been a thorn in the side of Waterfront Toronto since the start. In its rush to make deals, it has messed up both these projects. Why the city and Mayor David Miller don't intervene remains a mystery. An even worse example is the Portlands Energy Centre, a behemoth that sits just east of the decommissioned Hearn Generating Station, near the entrance to the Leslie St. Spit. Aside from the issue of whether we should be spending $750 million on such a power plant, there's the nasty little problem of putting it where there was to have been a residential neighbourhood. Why not put it in Ashbridge's Bay, beside the sewage plant that's going nowhere? The province chose Unwin because the distribution system is in place. According to Queen's Park, this trumps waterfront revitalization. Wasted opportunities such as these are heartbreaking, and deeply disturbing. The waterfront represents our last chance to get it right. That means compact, sustainable, transit-based neighbourhoods in places people want to live. But again and again, Toronto's best intentions are done in by bad governance. The waterfront is one of those rare instances where everyone could get what they want. The task is to remember that no matter what the project, we're constructing a city, not a building. Christopher Hume can be reached at [email protected].

source:
http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/424700

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Originally posted by Capo di tutti I thought i was going to witness a holy war on saturday afternoon when the "Jesus is Lord" dude, black muslims (wearing black framed glasses, trench coats, fedoras and bowties) and Muslims (mostly Arabs) were recruiting and parading all within 20 feet of each other outside the sears doors.

Oh, forgot to add to my con-list

- pedestrian gridlock/clusterfuck @ Younge & Dundas not even amusing crazies save that.

When I worked at City Hall, I'd always cut through the Atrium on Bay to avoid that corner.

Zanta

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Originally posted by SasH21 Things I don't like: - - Don't see too many people who dress up, it's mostly very casual, which is ok, but I expected that in a big city as Toronto people would dress better

totally agree

its more than just people in toronto that dont dress up its canadians in general. im also european and im shocked at people who are not embarrassed to prance around town in their PJ's. If something like this happened in europe people would think the person is insane.

I don't live in the city so i don't get to expiriance these things everyday but the things i love are the diversity, the night life, museums, art galleries, that there are alwyas different events going on throughout the city etc

Don't like traffic and smog

I love the people




Soooo many nice people compared to NYC



Edit: I dont really looove the shopping. Not as much selection, but then I am spoiled in that aspect, so its probably not as bad as it seems

i see a trend. Women generally tend to like or not mind the people here. Men seem to mention attitude and coldness often.

Hmmmmmm

Ive noticed this alot in real life too.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i see a trend. Women generally tend to like or not mind the people here. Men seem to mention attitude and coldness often.

There was a really funny Dilbert cartoon written about 15 years ago. Things never change:



Most of the time, women - no matter where they go - find a lot of people around them to be pretty friendly. It makes sense. As guys, we tend to notice the difference a lot more, and Toronto is honestly not a very friendly city compared to, say, Barcelona, or most of France, or even London or Montreal.

Over the years I've tried very hard to change my personal attitude and be more sociable and courteous toward others, and I would say that no fewer than half of the people I say "hello" to don't respond at all, or maybe respond with a grunt or a nod. Like I'm a serial killer or something. People do seem slightly (slightly!) less hostile if I'm dressed semi-formally.

While I was out for lunch with one of my coworkers, some random guy said hello to her, and she thought it was really weird and creepy that someone who she doesn't even know would say hello. She's honestly one of the friendlier and more fun people I know, but that's how it is here, people just don't like strangers.

And no, that's not how it is in any big city, although I'll admit that it's more likely in a big city.

It's amazing how dumbfounded it makes people to look them directly in the eye as you pass them, smile, and say hello.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i see a trend. Women generally tend to like or not mind the people here. Men seem to mention attitude and coldness often. Hmmmmmm Ive noticed this alot in real life too.

This city is cold.

I miss being able to walk down the street and smile at someone or say hello and receive a hello, smile or at least a nod in return. Here you just get weird looks.

And yes guys hold doors open for girls, but its only to stare at their ass as they walk through

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Originally posted by jennypie It's amazing how dumbfounded it makes people to look them directly in the eye as you pass them, smile, and say hello.

Lol proof you are from Barrie


Even though Barrie is becoming a lot less friendly as well.

Haha...yeah I dunno. I don't notice because I know so many people here. Going for a walk downtown or around the lake on a sunny day is something straight out of Sesame Street...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i see a trend. Women generally tend to like or not mind the people here. Men seem to mention attitude and coldness often. Hmmmmmm Ive noticed this alot in real life too.

Funny you should mention that.

I decided to randomly ask 50 strangers along Spadina & Queen throughout the span of 2 weeks last month just simply asking them if they were originally from Toronto, if so.. what area, and if not...where from?

45/50 were not originally from Toronto. The 5 that were were all from the East end of Toronto, and were all pretty chatty. The ones who actually were hesitant at first and gave attitude until they realized what I was asking were all from out of town.

I drew my own conclusion. It's the non-native Torontonians who seem to give off this 'attitude' that everyone speaks of. To me it seemed to be a case of concern for their own safety (avoiding strangers, putting on fronts to scare strangers off in the big city kind of thing).

Now I know that this is not a thorough or 'in depth' survey by any means, only a small amount of people were approached...it wasn't well planned (kind of spontaneous actually, sparked by a conversation I had with a coworker who's from Scarboro), and I didn't take down any notes or scientific data. It just proved what we were discussing that in Toronto (as in all other major Urban centres, and large metropolitan cities in the world), the majority of the people who live and work in the city tend to come from outside the city, and not necessarily from the city itself. It's not a big surprise, but what is shocking is that the native Torontonians were alot more friendlier than the non-natives...and I thought it would be reversed considering that small town people are known for being friendly. I think that once they move here, either they feel the need to 'act' a certain way, or react this way as a sort of defense mechanism.

You each can come up with your own conclusions about it, but I think it's pretty clear about the results.

Wanted to respond to this too:

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Originally posted by SasH21 Well, that's great to be laid-back, which I am myself. To each their own, right. But, growing up in Ukraine, we were always taught to dress up, wear more dresses, skirts, heels, etc...I think most of the Europe is like that. Even when my friend from New York came here, she was surprised to see that people dress way too casually.

My buddy from Poland always said the same thing. It was his opinion that women shouldn't be wearing jeans and tanks to a club and that men should definitely not be wearing baseball caps and shorts. This was in white trash Kingston, not Toronto, but I've seen it here too.

I'm certainly no fashion nazi, and I think it's great that certain people have the self-confidence to sometimes go out looking like they just got out of bed, but compared to overseas and even some of the bigger U.S. cities, a lot of people here are just slobs.

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Originally posted by jennypie It's amazing how dumbfounded it makes people to look them directly in the eye as you pass them, smile, and say hello.

I'm one of those people, especially when it comes from women. It just happens so rarely that it's a bit of a shock, that's all.

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