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^ I'll have to look into some of the differing sects in Buddhism. In truth, my knowledge of Buddhism is no where near what I would like it to be... of the great faiths it is likely the one I know the least about.

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Originally posted by Yan I see... The numbers provided by the course I made reference to was something along these lines: The probability of the solar system with the same makeup that ours has: 1 in 10^3 The probability of an Earth/Moon system like ours: 1 in 10^9 Multiplying those, one finds that those alone give us a huge number to work with (1 in 10^12 - Note: There are 10^11 stars in a typical galaxy). Now, this is before we can even begin to consider the probability of the the galaxy being where it is in the universe, let alone the universe existing as it is (which is unfathomable, really). The number would already be PHENOMENAL. On top of that, you'd have to include the various probabilities of the Earth being unaffected by various external forces that could have changed its makeup, location or whatnot... and only THEN can one factor in this idea of organic materials forming and the whole concept of things evolving as they did. It's soooo damn interesting when you think about it. Haha. Astronomy, huh? Hmm!

So, you are specifically dealing with the odds of this solar-system and the specific life on it existing rather then similar life? In that sense I would conceed that we are most definately unique and the odds of homo sapien sapiens existing is quite small.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard ^ I'll have to look into some of the differing sects in Buddhism. In truth, my knowledge of Buddhism is no where near what I would like it to be... of the great faiths it is likely the one I know the least about.

And I into astronomy. Always thought about it but now that we've had this conversation and I've completed that biology course, I feel it ripe to dabble.

This was fun! Gotta catch a plane now... later.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard So, you are specifically dealing with the odds of this solar-system and the specific life on it existing rather then similar life? In that sense I would conceed that we are most definately unique and the odds of homo sapien sapiens existing is quite small.

Exactly! The idea you spoke of is something I'm not too familiar with...

I've had this book in queue for some time now but I think I should start reading:

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard This was fun! Gotta catch a plane now... later.

Have a safe flight.

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Originally posted by Yan Have a safe flight.

that looks like a really good book.

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Originally posted by Rook tbh honest everything he states in the bible and especially what he reveals in the quran seems to check out.

what, like that noah put dinosaurs on the ark? :youreafvckingretard:

if you had half a brain you would realise the bible is just a story, open for interpretation. if you take a literal interpretation of the bible, christianity is a pile of hypocritical bullshit, rife with incest and sinning. the only leg christianity has to stand on is the "open to interpretation" leg. most smart christians understand this. now go and read the bible again, you noob. fvcking nothing "checks out".

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Originally posted by hooknife I'll take it a step further and say stupid weak people beleive in god.

i'll take it a step further and say stupid people who think they're intelligent don't believe in the possibility of a god.

guess what? neither side of the coin has been proven, so agnostic is the only intelligent stance to take.

Like the matrix, there have been previous realities, with ours being just one reality in an endless cycle of realities all trying to balance themselves out.

I think debating about religions is so wrong and should be avoided at all costs.

The one exception is if someone is confused about their beliefs and seeking spiritual guidance.

Otherwise - it's totally pointless.

For example: a catholic person can only defend their beliefs by USING their beliefs - if they are discussing them with an atheist, the only means through which they could defend themselves are deemed bullshit in the eyes of their opponent in the discussion, and vice versa. The argument will go nowhere - you are "wrong" to your opponent and your opponent is "wrong" to you.

PS. Atheists joking about and trying to convince devout Christians/Muslims/Buddhists etc. that there is no higher power are on par with the freak shows who go door-to-door and dump their preachings on random strangers, imo.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox PS. Atheists joking about and trying to convince devout Christians/Muslims/Buddhists etc. that there is no higher power are on par with the freak shows who go door-to-door and dump their preachings on random strangers, imo.

Not really. Atheists don't begin to talk about their beliefs/views until someone brings up religion. If anything, they'd be the last to bring up the topic of religion. That's not a door-to-door salesman.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox I think debating about religions is so wrong and should be avoided at all costs.

yeah, let's just leave religion alone while it terrorises the planet's population.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox I think debating about religions is so wrong and should be avoided at all costs.

I wouldn't say it's wrong (it's just a debate after all), but it's hardly, if ever, worth it. Most people enter the discussion trying to convince all other parties involved, instead of just analysing all ideas carefully in order to improve the belief system as a whole.

Am I the only person who was taught as a child to don't discuss religion, money, or politics outside of the home?

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Am I the only person who was taught as a child to don't discuss religion, sports, or politics outside of the home?

Fixed, and no, you were not the only one

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Originally posted by Ania_xox PS. Atheists joking about and trying to convince devout Christians/Muslims/Buddhists etc. that there is no higher power are on par with the freak shows who go door-to-door and dump their preachings on random strangers, imo.

athiests and christians are different sides of the same stupid coin, in other words.

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Originally posted by Yan Atheists don't begin to talk about their beliefs/views until someone brings up religion.

not really dude. athiests are usually highly oppinionated and think they are more intelligent than everyone else. hence, they get great joy in educating people all about the faults in the bible, even though it is irrelevant.

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Originally posted by echosystm athiests and christians are different sides of the same stupid coin, in other words.

I don't agree.

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Originally posted by echosystm athiests are usually highly oppinionated and think they are more intelligent than everyone else.

Most holders of a particular belief think they're more intelligent than those that have a different point of view, so it often works for atheists and Christians alike in this context.

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Originally posted by Lira Most holders of a particular belief think they're more intelligent than those that have a different point of view, so it often works for atheists and Christians alike in this context.

And people saying all atheists are opinionated and think they are more intelligent than everyone else.

The argument that atheism is the same as theism is total BS.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN The argument that atheism is the same as theism is total BS.

If they were the same, there would be nothing to argue about, would there?

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Originally posted by echosystm not really dude. athiests are usually highly oppinionated and think they are more intelligent than everyone else. hence, they get great joy in educating people all about the faults in the bible, even though it is irrelevant.

Your statement doesn't really correspond with mine. It's more of an aside that is over-generalizing things.

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Originally posted by Lira If they were the same, there would be nothing to argue about, would there?

I just feel like "NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING SO BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG" serves to render more credibility to the religious.

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Originally posted by Lira If they were the same, there would be nothing to argue about, would there?

Indeed. But for me, the difference is that atheism isnt a group of like-minded individuals that attempt to dominate government policy or school curriculum. what was it, 35% (or more) of americans believe in a young earth?? and yet im labelled as "the same" as those wackos because i oppose these enemies of science? bollocks.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Am I the only person who was taught as a child to don't discuss religion, money, or politics outside of the home?

No.

Then again, that is probably why the typical person is at their most foolish in those three areas, plus sex. After all, avoiding discussing some particular subject is a good way to preserve one's ignorance on the matter.

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