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Posted by adi_hanson on Jul-16-2008 23:14:

as thick as i am , i want to know how global warming is effecting you personally , dont fuckin bandwagon until it effects you,
so tell me


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jul-16-2008 23:16:

quote:
Originally posted by adi_hanson
as thick as i am , i want to know how global warming is effecting you personally , dont fuckin bandwagon until it effects you,
so tell me

The air I breathe, the temperatures getting warmer and making my car run like shit, food production which causes higher grain prices. Come on. Don't be so dense and thick. You are just trying to justify your snake-oil position.


Posted by RJT on Jul-16-2008 23:16:

quote:
Originally posted by adi_hanson
as thick as i am , i want to know how global warming is effecting you personally , dont fuckin bandwagon until it effects you,
so tell me


Do you know why you aren't getting any answers?

Because you haven't given anyone any indication that they can possibly have an intelligent discussion with you on the subject.

When you're able to do that, I'm quite sure others will respond in kind. Until then, however, no one owes you any kind of thoughtful response.

Edit: Well, except for from Ben.


Posted by idoru on Jul-16-2008 23:17:

quote:
Originally posted by adi_hanson
as thick as i am , i want to know how global warming is effecting you personally , dont fuckin bandwagon until it effects you,
so tell me


You're one selfish son of a bitch, you know that? It's not all about you.


Posted by adi_hanson on Jul-16-2008 23:17:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
You're one selfish son of a bitch, you know that? It's not all about you.


what the hell is that supposed to mean


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jul-16-2008 23:18:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Do you know why you aren't getting any answers?

Because you haven't given anyone any indication that they can possibly have an intelligent discussion with you on the subject.

When you're able to do that, I'm quite sure others will respond in kind. Until then, however, no one owes you any kind of thoughtful response.

Edit: Well, except for from Ben.

Yeah because I try to conjure it out a bit. I prefer not to just straight out constantly call someone the same shit every time. Not that he isn't deserving of it at this point.


Posted by idoru on Jul-16-2008 23:23:

quote:
Originally posted by adi_hanson
what the hell is that supposed to mean


You clearly stated that your attitude regarding global warming "bandwagoning" was, "I'm not going to do anything about it until it affects me. Sure, it can affect other people, but it hasn't done anything to me yet so I don't care."


Posted by Clovis on Jul-16-2008 23:23:

READ THIS BOOK


Posted by adi_hanson on Jul-16-2008 23:26:

sorry but one book , one movie , 200 documentaries isnt going to improve my stance on this


Posted by Clovis on Jul-16-2008 23:27:

quote:
Originally posted by adi_hanson
sorry but one book , one movie , 200 documentaries isnt going to improve my stance on this



The book has almost nothing to do with global warming. It has to do with the impact of humans on earth.


Posted by RJT on Jul-16-2008 23:29:

quote:
Originally posted by adi_hanson
sorry but one book , one movie , 200 documentaries isnt going to improve my stance on this


That's because you are a fucking idiot of the highest magnitude, not at all unlike the new Earth creationists who deny hundreds of years of scientific evidence all in the name of stubborn ignorance.

People like you make me sick to my stomach. The world would be a much, much better place without you.


Posted by idoru on Jul-16-2008 23:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
The book has almost nothing to do with global warming. It has to do with the impact of humans on earth.


I say fuck it, at this point. There are times when I certainly believe that ignorance is bliss but this is not one of them. However, it's obviously pointless arguing with this guy. It's not going to get through to him until it hits hard, and when it does he'll go, "Oh... shit." I say let it hit him like that.


Posted by adi_hanson on Jul-16-2008 23:31:

i dont belive global warming

sorry


Posted by Clovis on Jul-16-2008 23:34:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
I say fuck it, at this point. There are times when I certainly believe that ignorance is bliss but this is not one of them. However, it's obviously pointless arguing with this guy. It's not going to get through to him until it hits hard, and when it does he'll go, "Oh... shit." I say let it hit him like that.



More likely is it will never get through to him, and he'll continue with the rest of similar folk in their day to day ignorance supplanted by some 5 minute incendiary youtube video by 3 "scientists" explaining why the whole thing is a hoax and we're better off doing fuck all, whilst ignoring completely the fact that this should not be a climate change debate, it should be an environmental debate. He doesn't have the intellect to understand concepts which cannot be explained on youtube or require more than 1 sentence to understand. Reading a book is clearly asking far, far, too much...


Although I do recommend it to the rest of you, absolutely fantastic read, and it is actually very emotional if you love the natural world.


Posted by The17sss on Jul-16-2008 23:35:

Read THIS book instead:

http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Confu...16251245&sr=1-1


Posted by Clovis on Jul-16-2008 23:38:

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
Read THIS book instead:

http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Confu...16251245&sr=1-1



Which, once again, misses the point we outlined in the beginning of this thread.

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I despise the whole global warming debate. Whether man's burning of fosil fuels is contributing to the warming of the earth is a destraction from the real issue... which is the continued wasting of fosil fuels to begin with. We may or may not be warming the planet; however, we're definately abusing a limited resource and damaging our environment in the process.... that should be enough to prompt change regardless of antartic ice thickness.


quote:

This is what I've been repeating ad nauseam for years now. There are two sides in this debate and only one of them is beneficial to the environment. Regardless of what/who is to blame for climate change, action against global warming is always better for the environment, for efficiency, and for finding better ways of living.

The people who insist on cock-blocking the issue are only serving the continued destruction and degradation of our planet and its resources, and that is the bottom line.


Posted by The17sss on Jul-16-2008 23:39:

For the Global Warming alarmists... read this, and tell me this doesn't even slightly make a dent?

http://www.weatherquestions.com/Roy...bal-warming.htm


Posted by adi_hanson on Jul-16-2008 23:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
More likely is it will never get through to him, and he'll continue with the rest of similar folk in their day to day ignorance supplanted by some 5 minute incendiary youtube video by 3 "scientists" explaining why the whole thing is a hoax and we're better off doing fuck all, whilst ignoring completely the fact that this should not be a climate change debate, it should be an environmental debate. He doesn't have the intellect to understand concepts which cannot be explained on youtube or require more than 1 sentence to understand. Reading a book is clearly asking far, far, too much...


Although I do recommend it to the rest of you, absolutely fantastic read, and it is actually very emotional if you love the natural world.



Ive said this you stupid fuck , look back , ive said global warming is a FAD and its covering up other things that should be told as they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Jul-16-2008 23:40:

Re: Re: Global warming and evolution: here's a discussion point.

quote:
Originally posted by Jake Benson
If I move to Alaska will I get smarter?


According to this analysis, it's entirely possible.


Posted by The17sss on Jul-16-2008 23:41:

Yes Clovis, I know the point you're trying to convey about the end result being good for the NVR regardless.

Edit: that sounds weird... I mean that I know you are trying to say that climate change policies, weather they work or not, are good for the environment and that's what you care about the most


Posted by Clovis on Jul-16-2008 23:43:

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
Yes Clovis, I know the point you're trying to convey about the end result being good for the NVR regardless.


Forget about global warming or ice caps melting, CO2 absorption by the ocean alone should be reason enough to implement drastic changes and half our emissions.


Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Jul-16-2008 23:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Forget about global warming or ice caps melting, CO2 absorption by the ocean alone should be reason enough to implement drastic changes and half our emissions.


Im not quite sure what this means. The oceans absorb co2 whether we are in a warming environment or not.


Posted by adi_hanson on Jul-16-2008 23:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Forget about global warming or ice caps melting, CO2 absorption by the ocean alone should be reason enough to implement drastic changes and half our emissions.



come on


Posted by Lira on Jul-16-2008 23:48:

quote:
Originally posted by d-miurge
Global warming is not discussed, except in the US.

Not unlike most of the Intelligent Design "controversy".

Here in Brazil, at least, it seems to be restricted to a few evangelicals who denial pretty much everything. As a matter of fact, it reminds me of a girl who said the sea level wouldn't rise because God had promised not to use water to destroy the world ever again


Posted by Clovis on Jul-16-2008 23:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
Im not quite sure what this means. The oceans absorb co2 whether we are in a warming environment or not.


Yes, but because of the astronomical levels of CO2 in the atmosphere it has been absorbing far more than usual, which is changing the PH of the oceans and having disastrous effects.

Heres an abstract of the article, couldn't find the full piece.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/20...fa_fact_kolbert


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