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Posted by Jem_hadar on Jul-29-2008 22:53:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut

Again I equate this to the creationist argument that because there's this frail evidence against Darwinism, we therefore must throw it out and accept Intelligent Design. It doesn't work that way, because there's even less evidence for ID, just as there's even less evidence for every or any UFO involving visitors from another galaxy.



The bloody term "Darwinism" is a creationist concocted term itself.

They (creationist, supporters of ID) use the term when referring to the concept of evolution.

Why? Bc, if as you said, they can poke holes in Darwin's original theories on evolution, they feel they can discredit the whole theory of evolution more easily if the it's more obviously linked and tied to him specifically (hence the effort to re-name it "Darwinism").


/unrelated rant


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Jul-30-2008 00:28:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUL9...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP18...feature=related

The very first filmed UFO footage. What do you make of that Digi? Surely you have seen WW2 stock footage and this compares easily in quality. You cannot alter footage like that so please don't suggest it's fake.

The news anchor (ABC or CBS?) is doing a live commentary as US war planes engage these several UFOs that are hovering over LA in plain sight in February of 1942. They hit their targets wiht over 1500 rounds and the incident is seen by thousands of people and played on national television. The military says it was a weather balloon (they couldn't shoot down a weather balloon with 1500 rounds?) a few days later.

Here is the actual live footage (live commentary is the second link above).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQmb...feature=related

Humour me some more and take a look at that. Nobody is alive to really remember this incident but it was on national fucking TV. A weather balloon?

Come on people.


Posted by love_child on Jul-30-2008 01:14:


Posted by Sly_Guy on Jul-30-2008 01:28:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut


Sing it brotha.

Aaron, your posts have made my day.


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Jul-30-2008 01:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Sly_Guy
Sing it brotha.

Aaron, your posts have made my day.


ok sheepy, what are they then? What are those things flying around in hundreds of pieces of footage over the last four or five decades? Why would the Mexican government release that kind of film without an explanation?

You know, when you actually think about it, there is more actual proof of aliens than there is of an actual God. I've never seen video footage of God and I've never met or seen anyone on TV who claims to have met God. But there are thousands of people from all across the world, in nearly every country, that have been seeing unexplained shit in the sky for at least 60 years.

What else could it all be? Nobody ever has an answer, but many are quick to laugh off the thought of other civilisations out there in all of those billions of stars whose end we can't even come close to seeing. We have craft in space already. What might we be able to do in say, 1000 years? Why is it so hilarious to some of you drones?


Posted by exstasie on Jul-30-2008 01:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
You can call me stupid all you want, but then I can call you ignorant and narrow minded about the possibility of what is really happening out there.

Actually at times Wikipedia is QUITE accurate if people document their work. Read some articles on various historical people or go read up on marijauna or the environment. It's just a good a source to get some background info as anythign else. Try using it in an essay and that's a different story, but my own professors have admitted to reading Wikipedia to brush up on things.
ecause it's on youtube? Are you that naive?

Yikes.


Just to let you know, there was actually a study conducted (can't remember by who, but a credible source lol) and they did a study that compared the accuracy of an Britannica Encyclopedia Vs. Wikipedia.

It showed that Britannica had an average of 3 mistakes per article, where Wikipedia had an average of just under 4 which shows that there actually is very little difference between accuracy of Wikipedia and an actual encyclopedia.


Posted by tempoman on Jul-30-2008 01:49:

UFOs are sent by God to try and communicate with us. Not some alien.


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Jul-30-2008 01:59:

quote:
Originally posted by tempoman
UFOs are sent by God to try and communicate with us. Not some alien.


isn't God already kind of an alien?


Posted by Jem_hadar on Jul-30-2008 02:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
isn't God already kind of an alien?


No way. Ppl who believe in "god" dont think of him as merely a super-powerful alien. (although at least THAT could be believable on some reasonable level!)

no, they think of him as the being that MADE the fucking universe and everything (ok...)


(sorry, i just couldnt not comment, even though i know ur response was in jest )


Posted by evil_cookie on Jul-30-2008 02:25:

Jesus, I don�t know where to start�way too much stupidity in this thread.


Fuck it, I don�t want a headache�but here is a fitting picture!


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Jul-30-2008 02:29:

why? WHY is it stupid?

What do YOU think those things are? Or did you even bother watching anything that's out there and maybe informing yourself of why this stuff continues to happen and is getting more and more air time on the news.

Again, why is it stupid? Because you watched Aliens and Independence Day as a kid and aliens are only in those silly sci fi movies?


Posted by Sly_Guy on Jul-30-2008 02:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
ok sheepy, what are they then? What are those things flying around in hundreds of pieces of footage over the last four or five decades? Why would the Mexican government release that kind of film without an explanation?

You know, when you actually think about it, there is more actual proof of aliens than there is of an actual God. I've never seen video footage of God and I've never met or seen anyone on TV who claims to have met God. But there are thousands of people from all across the world, in nearly every country, that have been seeing unexplained shit in the sky for at least 60 years.

What else could it all be? Nobody ever has an answer, but many are quick to laugh off the thought of other civilisations out there in all of those billions of stars whose end we can't even come close to seeing. We have craft in space already. What might we be able to do in say, 1000 years? Why is it so hilarious to some of you drones?

Not to get dragged into this argument as I think Digi's got it well in hand, I'd like to point out I'm no sheep, and I do have opinions of myself, and in this particular instance seem to coincide with his.

Like Aaron has been arguing, the evidence is suspect. Much like the 'evidence' of the existence of God was suspect for the thousands of years of human civilization before it. [explainations of floods, disease, random acts of healing, etc etc which were attributed to the work of God(s)]

Until some little green men come banging on our door with their arm out for a blood test, I think the evidence will always be suspect, and no amount of conjecture or circumstantial forms of will dissuade people like us.

But as one final note before I exit this thread until Digi's next rant, I'm going to provide a quote from the Boondocks that is fitting to your argument: "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"

They might exist, it's not to say they can't, or that we're part of the ego-centric belief that we're alone, but as it stands now, I need more to believe that we are in contact with them.


Posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* on Jul-30-2008 02:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
why? WHY is it stupid?

What do YOU think those things are? Or did you even bother watching anything that's out there and maybe informing yourself of why this stuff continues to happen and is getting more and more air time on the news.

Again, why is it stupid? Because you watched Aliens and Independence Day as a kid and aliens are only in those silly sci fi movies?


You know there is also the possibility that the objects aren't from aliens. Skeptics of aliens may not have an explanation as to what it is, but just b/c they don't doesn't make it an alien being.


Posted by DigiNut on Jul-30-2008 03:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20

And what, pray tell, have these governments finally come forward with? And if the main thrust of your sophomoric rants is that we can't trust the government, why should any of it matter?

Let's pick apart the rest of your hysterical yet insipid post:

- Your assertion that a first-class visit would cause "panic and chaos" is nonsense. There is no evidence for this. However, I can definitely see people being pissed off about the idea of some alien race spying on us and playing pranks. So if we're to believe you, our interstellar visitors either have no diplomatic skills whatsoever or have the collective brains of a pistachio nut.

- The government hasn't spread any misinformation, or really any information whatsoever about "global warming." Only the mass media and so-called climate scientists (who are not climatologists) spread disinformation. Various think tanks and authors also spread varying amounts of information, quasi-information and misinformation alike. We can talk about Al Gore if you want, but technically, he started spreading misinformation after he got the boot.

- Electric car? What? Go get a Prius if you're so concerned.

- Lots of people knew about the Manhattan Project. They weren't issuing daily press releases - quite understandably I would add, given that they were in the middle of a brutal war and had no idea if the experiments would actually work - but it certainly wasn't any kind of cover-up. It stands to reason that people would know less about military activities than they would about things that the military clearly has no control over (like "UFOs").

- Simply making something a "national security" matter doesn't improve their ability to hide their activities. Look no further than the post 9/11 wiretapping and SWIFT programs which took all of a few months to leak to the New York Times.

I'm not going to respond to your video commentary. I don't know how you're seeing the things you claim to see, but none of it makes a lick of sense.


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Jul-30-2008 03:05:

quote:
Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
You know there is also the possibility that the objects aren't from aliens. Skeptics of aliens may not have an explanation as to what it is, but just b/c they don't doesn't make it an alien being.



what else could they be? Why does it continue to happen all over the world? Is everyone that sees things like this insane?


Posted by DigiNut on Jul-30-2008 03:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Is everyone insane?

No, just your sorry ass.


Posted by barbina on Jul-30-2008 03:14:

quote:
Originally posted by evil_cookie
Jesus, I don�t know where to start�way too much stupidity in this thread.


agreed.

ps Mammoth. Who ARE you?
get hit by a car please and thanks


Posted by love_child on Jul-30-2008 03:14:


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Jul-30-2008 03:19:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
No, just your sorry ass.


that's right, buddy, I'm insane. I'm insane because I don't just dismiss what hasn't been explained (or is unexplainable) as natural phenomena like you. I don't sit at home and believe everything I see on CNN or FOX News.

The US government, at the urging of the private sector, did not spread misinformation and continually deny global warming for the last 20 or so years? Hmm....have you ever talked to an evironmental scientist or did you actually watch Al Gore's documentary? You're not trying to debunk anything that I'm saying. All you ever do is put spin on anything. If you are really suggesting that governments do not lie to their people and shield things from our knowledge, then I really feel sorry for the false illusion that you live in.

You won't comment on the video footage because you can't. I've showed it to dozens of people and most of them (including many on here) don't know what to make of it and are a little disturbed. Not everyone believes in aliens, but quite a few do. At least half of the United States' population believes in them in some form or another.


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Jul-30-2008 03:24:

quote:
Originally posted by barbina
agreed.

ps Mammoth. Who ARE you?
get hit by a car please and thanks


see, you can't even try to discuss this objectively with some people. They see any mention of UFOs and they immediately think "stupid" because they are uneducated and naive.

There still has been no decent explanation of what those things were. Not from anyone here and not from anyone in the press, scientific community or various government administrations. But you're so quick to say it's anything but a UFO. The ignorance here is astonishing.

I don't know what they are for sure, but these sightings, accounts, testimonies, images and recordings have only increased in frequency. And frankly I'm surprised that so many of you simply don't care.


Posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* on Jul-30-2008 03:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
what else could they be? Why does it continue to happen all over the world? Is everyone that sees things like this insane?


Again I will repeat...just b/c I don't have an explanation for it and you have your theories (with "evidence") does not mean that they're for sure aliens. It hasn't been 100% proven. And as I said before, "I'm a believe it when I see it with my own eyes" type person.

Also, I'd like to see you point out where I said things like this were insane, b/c you seem to be putting words in my mouth.


Posted by hardcore trancer on Jul-30-2008 03:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
So let me ask...if you admit they are unidentified flying objects, who exactly are flying them? Do you really think it's the US military up there with secret technology? That would be indicative of the type of major coverup that people so easily dismiss!




I know this is going to sound crazy for some but here is what some of the people who have been researching this subject have come up with.
Basically alot of these flying objects the some might see in the sky are man made,and alot of the abductions that occure are also done by humans .Why would our own people abduct people you say?well the main idea is to try to scare people as much as possible and make sure people view the aliens with fear all the time.
This idea of fear has been accomplished by Hollywood ofcourse.How many of those evil alien movies have been made??many,like Independence Day,Aliens, etc etc. There is a covert government that its job is to make sure nobody finds out whats really going on and to keep everyone in the dark.

How did we come up with such technologies to build these crafts?well kepp in mind there has been a few crashes in the past and the government has been studying their technologies for many years.

Dont get me wrong there also actual Alien crafts out there as well,but they arent there to abduct people or hurt anyone for that matter.


Did you know that NASA has purposely altered pictures that have come been coming to earth from satellites for years way before it reaches the public?there are many documents out there supporting this.




p.s. Everyting that I just said are just simply something to think about.Iam by no mean saying this is the truth and everyone has to believe it.


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Jul-30-2008 03:32:

quote:
Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Again I will repeat...just b/c I don't have an explanation for it and you have your theories (with "evidence") does not mean that they're for sure aliens. It hasn't been 100% proven. And as I said before, "I'm a believe it when I see it with my own eyes" type person.

Also, I'd like to see you point out where I said things like this were insane, b/c you seem to be putting words in my mouth.


It's not at you but to some others. I have only raised possibilities here that, frankly, make a little more sense than scoffing at them pompously. This issue isn't going to go anywhere soon, that's for sure.


Posted by barbina on Jul-30-2008 03:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
see, you can't even try to discuss this objectively with some people. They see any mention of UFOs and they immediately think "stupid" because they are uneducated and naive.

There still has been no decent explanation of what those things were. Not from anyone here and not from anyone in the press, scientific community or various government administrations. But you're so quick to say it's anything but a UFO. The ignorance here is astonishing.

I don't know what they are for sure, but these sightings, accounts, testimonies, images and recordings have only increased in frequency. And frankly I'm surprised that so many of you simply don't care.


Darling, did I state what side I was on?
No. Don't attack so fast
All I did was agree that there was stupidity within the thread.


Posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* on Jul-30-2008 03:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
This issue isn't going to go anywhere soon, that's for sure.


That's b/c you have to realize that you've put the facts out there that you want to believe and share with other people and all you can do is leave it up to other people to make their own judgements. Like I said before, not everyone is going to have the same beliefs as you no matter how hard you try to convince them. People need to make up their own minds about things.


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