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Originally posted by Kinezi There is nothing wrong with communism. http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...3&forumid=66&s=

Why are you linking a shit-thread made by a shit poster?

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Originally posted by ahway26 I'm sorry, but in what position does BUSH have to tell the people in China or the person who leads China what to do? Being cummunist is prolly a good way to lead this many people. Try asking what Bush can do when his country is filled with people like China. He be shitting bricks, it be chaos in US.

If communism is so good, why don't you move back to China? As a Chinese-American, it sickens me to see chinks like yourself defending a shit, oppressive Government. EVERYONE who's had their homes bulldozed in the name of this propaganda machine being the Olympics are happy? GTFO.

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Originally posted by Nostalgic If communism is so good, why don't you move back to China? As a Chinese-American, it sickens me to see chinks like yourself defending a shit, oppressive Government. EVERYONE who's had their homes bulldozed in the name of this propaganda machine being the Olympics are happy? GTFO.

Actually for every bulldozed home, they made new homes will all the amneties for athletes to stay.. and once the olympics is over the government has declared they will be given back to ones who lived there before..

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Yes, how stupid of me to think the leader of a world power should speak to the state of human rights. How stupid of me to think the leader of a democracy would have something to say about political prisioners

are you fucking kidding me? who are we, the united states, to tell anyone how to run their country??? that ship has sailed a long time ago...

and honestly who gives a shit if you watch the opening ceremony live or not?

you guys whine way too much about everything.

can you all just stop concerning yourselves with bullshit for a minute and appreciate the games for what they are--a testament to the capabilities of the human body and the ideal of world unity. or don't. go protest in the streets until you realize how stupid you look.

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Originally posted by Kinezi I missed it, how many Iraqies were there? you have any youtube link to that? Here is the vedio of 2004 Iraqi Olympics Team enterance.. at Athens.. I am guessing the number of athletes this year after 4 years is reduced to half of original atleast.. As US managed to liberate most of Iraqies..

Okay i was kidding the first time i said "Is Tiesto on stage," but is one of Tiesto's track playing in the background here?

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Originally posted by Orbital32 Okay i was kidding the first time i said "Is Tiesto on stage," but is one of Tiesto's track playing in the background here?

You know he spun at the opening parade that year, right?

Now I'm upset.....at my mother's place and she has the olympics on and the americans have a black guy in the 4 x 100 m freestyle....come on....that is just rubbing it in everyones face....saying they are so good that they can have a black guy swim for them and they still will win.


and on top of that they have a video about the guy and he says that blacks are three times more likely to drown then any other race.

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Originally posted by idoru You know he spun at the opening parade that year, right?

crap nevermind, I didn't see the "2004" part. I thought that was this year.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Now I'm upset.....at my mother's place and she has the olympics on and the americans have a black guy in the 4 x 100 m freestyle....come on....that is just rubbing it in everyones face....saying they are so good that they can have a black guy swim for them and they still will win.

Rubbing what in everyones face? What does his skin color have to do with anything?

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... and on top of that they have a video about the guy and he says that blacks are three times more likely to drown then any other race.

Dear God.

I like how China bragged about being able to prevent rain, but it's pissing it down during men's volleyball right now.

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Originally posted by idoru I like how China bragged about being able to prevent rain, but it's pissing it down during men's volleyball right now.

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Originally posted by Ian tight white vests + hockey players + downpour = happy viewing

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Originally posted by R!CH are you fucking kidding me? who are we, the united states, to tell anyone how to run their country??? that ship has sailed a long time ago... and honestly who gives a shit if you watch the opening ceremony live or not? you guys whine way too much about everything. can you all just stop concerning yourselves with bullshit for a minute and appreciate the games for what they are--a testament to the capabilities of the human body and the ideal of world unity. or don't. go protest in the streets until you realize how stupid you look.

Human rights is everyone's responsibility, up to and including the leader of the free world...even if he is a neo-con douchebag puppet.

China is using the games as an expo for their country, inviting foreign leaders who might otherwise not get an audience with the leaders of the PRC to come visit - now seems like an exceptional time to discuss the thousands of people locked up for nothing more than holding a 'Free Tibet' banner, or having made unflattering comments online.

Imagine a place where posting on TA earned you a first-class ticket to the 'car battery on your nads Hilton'.

But your right, I'm just whining. Feel free to take your fingers out of your ears and listen to what's happening in the world.

And, if you read my first post, you would see that I do view the games as a celebration of sport, but one that is overshadowed by the brutal and oppressive regime of the host country.

So don't give me any shit about the swanky new houses that were built, and will ultimately be given to the deposed - because as nice an idea as that is, this is not just a two-week thing...where do all the people go for the 2 or 3 years of construction leading up to the games? Do you really expect the PRC to give those brand-new houses over to the destitute citizens that were evicted? I get the feeling that the Gucci new digs are earmarked for friends of the regime.

turns out China faked some of it... or pre-recorded... actually I don't get it - http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/be...d?urn=oly,99745

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Originally posted by denys envy turns out China faked some of it... or pre-recorded... actually I don't get it - http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/be...d?urn=oly,99745

It seems they pre-recorded some of the firework that was broadcast live, because it would be too dangerous for an actual helicopter to be near it, but that doesn't mean something similar wasn't going on at the time. They just couldn't tape it live.

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Originally posted by Lira It seems they pre-recorded some of the firework that was broadcast live, because it would be too dangerous for an actual helicopter to be near it, but that doesn't mean something similar wasn't going on at the time. They just couldn't tape it live.

OK that makes sense.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Human rights is everyone's responsibility, up to and including the leader of the free world...even if he is a neo-con douchebag puppet. China is using the games as an expo for their country, inviting foreign leaders who might otherwise not get an audience with the leaders of the PRC to come visit - now seems like an exceptional time to discuss the thousands of people locked up for nothing more than holding a 'Free Tibet' banner, or having made unflattering comments online. Imagine a place where posting on TA earned you a first-class ticket to the 'car battery on your nads Hilton'. But your right, I'm just whining. Feel free to take your fingers out of your ears and listen to what's happening in the world. And, if you read my first post, you would see that I do view the games as a celebration of sport, but one that is overshadowed by the brutal and oppressive regime of the host country. So don't give me any shit about the swanky new houses that were built, and will ultimately be given to the deposed - because as nice an idea as that is, this is not just a two-week thing...where do all the people go for the 2 or 3 years of construction leading up to the games? Do you really expect the PRC to give those brand-new houses over to the destitute citizens that were evicted? I get the feeling that the Gucci new digs are earmarked for friends of the regime.

well it's a good thing you're here to tell everyone in the world what their responsibility is! thank you for your self-righteous crusade to impose western ideals upon the sovereign nations of the world without for a second considering the differences in cultural values and the historical context of the region you probably understand very little about outside of your newsletters and action alerts. it's your brand of arrogance which determines that the world should follow your lead at your pace of progress, or be deemed enemy savages, that gets nations like us into iraq wars. civil liberties and civil rights are earned by the vigilant, they cannot be manufactured to the unwilling masses. so when the society as a whole is not ready and not willing to fight for such things, then it is no one's responsibility to guarantee it for them. you can continue to worry your little heart out over political oppression around the world, but you should know that this small minority chose their path knowing precisely the risks and consequences of their actions. i don't cry for hunters that get mauled by bears.

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Originally posted by R!CH well it's a good thing you're here to tell everyone in the world what their responsibility is! thank you for your self-righteous crusade to impose western ideals upon the sovereign nations of the world without for a second considering the differences in cultural values and the historical context of the region you probably understand very little about outside of your newsletters and action alerts. it's your brand of arrogance which determines that the world should follow your lead at your pace of progress, or be deemed enemy savages, that gets nations like us into iraq wars. civil liberties and civil rights are earned by the vigilant, they cannot be manufactured to the unwilling masses. so when the society as a whole is not ready and not willing to fight for such things, then it is no one's responsibility to guarantee it for them. you can continue to worry your little heart out over political oppression around the world, but you should know that this small minority chose their path knowing precisely the risks and consequences of their actions. i don't cry for hunters that get mauled by bears.

You're right, the best thing for all involved is for us to mind our own business. Let's wait until enough chinese people have been tortured, murdered or locked away to incense the public into a revolution. The greatest gifts we can give the people of China is civil war, famine and political unrest. Nevermind our own interests in China, such as thier manufacturing sector, grinding to a halt.

It's probably best to just sit back and let all those poor, innocent people die for no reason.

This isn't a cultural issue (and BTW, I have read a lot on Chinese history - ancient and modern), it's basic political opression. It's the ruling class who live under a culture of corruption that keeps the rich rich and the poor poor. The hungry, destitute and uneducated rarely amount to much of a political opponent.

I'm not saying we should march in there, install a democracy and be happy with oursevles, I'm saying that it's the duty of a world leader to comment on the state of human rights in the world's most populous country. Sometimes the opressed need someone to speak for them - or at least think about them.

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News Olympic Fraud? Opening featured lip syncing, faked fireworks By Cara Anna Associated Press Article Last Updated: 08/12/2008 08:23:05 AM CDT Lin Miaoke, a nine-year-old Chinese girl who performed at the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics. A 7-year-old Chinese girl's face was "not suitable" for the Olympics opening ceremony, so Lin lip-synched "Ode to the Motherland." (AP Photo/Xinhua, Zhou Liang)BEIJING � A 7-year-old Chinese girl was not good-looking enough for the Olympics opening ceremony, so another little girl with a pixie smile lip-synched "Ode to the Motherland," a ceremony official said � the latest example of the lengths Beijing took for a perfect start to the Summer Games. A member of China's Politburo asked for the last-minute change to match one girl's face with another's voice, the ceremony's chief music director, Chen Qigang, said in an interview with Beijing Radio. "The audience will understand that it's in the national interest," Chen said in a video of the interview posted online Sunday night. The news follows reports that some footage of the fireworks exploding across China's capital during the ceremony was digitally inserted into television coverage, apparently over concerns that not all of the 29 blasts could be captured on camera. China has been eager to present a flawless Olympics image to the world, shooing migrant workers and so-called petitioners who come to the central government with grievances from the city and shutting down any sign of protest. The country's quest for perfection apparently includes its children. Lin Miaoke's performance Friday night, like the ceremony itself, was an immediate hit. "Nine-year-old Lin Miaoke becomes instant star with patriotic song," the China Daily newspaper headline said today. But the real voice behind the tiny, pigtailed girl in the red dress who wowed 91,000 spectators at the National Stadium on opening night really belonged to 7-year-old Yang Peiyi. Her looks apparently failed the cuteness test with officials organizing the ceremony, but Chen said her voice was judged the most beautiful. "The national interest requires that the girl should have good looks and a good grasp of the song and look good on screen," Chen said. "Lin Miaoke was the best in this. And Yang Peiyi's voice was the most outstanding." During a live rehearsal soon before the ceremony, the Politburo member said Miaoke's voice "must change," Chen said in the radio interview. He didn't name the official. So Peiyi's voice was matched with Miaoke's face. "We had to make that choice. It was fair both for Lin Miaoke and Yang Peiyi," Chen told Beijing Radio. "We combined the perfect voice and the perfect performance." Chen couldn't be reached for comment today. A photo of Peiyi posted today on popular Web site Sina.com shows a smiling girl with bangs and crooked teeth. A China News Service story posted with the photo says a China Central Television reporter asked Peiyi whether she felt regret over the opening ceremony. Peiyi responded that just having her voice used for the opening ceremony was an honor. Whether the move was unethical, or unfair to both girls, has become a hot topic among Chinese and is racing across the country's blogosphere. "The organizers really messed up on this one," said Luo Shaoyang, 34, a retail worker in Beijing. "This is like a voice-over for a cartoon character," Luo said. "Why couldn't they pick a kid who is both cute and a good singer? This damages the reputation of both kids for their future, especially the one lip-synching. Now everyone knows she's a fraud. Who cares if she's cute?" Zhang Xinyi, 22, who works in marketing in Beijing, disagreed. "I can understand why they picked the prettier girl. They need to maintain a certain aesthetic beauty during the opening ceremonies. This situation is not so bad, especially since it gives two people an opportunity to shine rather than just one." Peiyi is a first-grader at the Primary School affiliated to Peking University. Her tutor, Wang Liping, wrote in her blog that Peiyi is both cute and well-behaved, with a love for Peking opera. "She doesn't like to show off. She's easygoing," Wang wrote. She and other school officials couldn't be reached today. Miaoke, however, was a minor celebrity even before the opening ceremony. The third-grader appeared in a television ad last year with China's biggest gold medal hope, hurdling champion Liu Xiang, and she was in an Olympics ad just before Chinese New Year, China Daily reported. Miaoke has her own blog, and one of the latest photos posted since the ceremony shows her looking up nervously at the ceremony's director, film director Zhang Yimou. "Giving the child encouragement," the caption says. Her father, Lin Hui, told China Daily he learned Miaoke would be "singing" only 15 minutes before the opening ceremony began. The newspaper wrote Lin "still cannot believe his daughter has become an international singing sensation." It was the second straight Olympics where the opening ceremony involved lip-synching. Luciano Pavarotti's performance at the 2006 Winter Games in Turin was prerecorded. The maestro who conducted the aria, Leone Magiera, said earlier this year that the bitter cold made a live performance impossible for Pavarotti, who was in severe pain months before his cancer diagnosis. Pavarotti died in September 2007 at age 71.

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Originally posted by denys envy well i don't think they just have the time to mention every significant piece of detail about each country through its 20 seconds of passing in front of camera that will be relevant and interesting to americans.

well they should. this is a huge event for every country involved, and who wants to be forgotten? instead of wasting 5 minutes each on countries like the U.S. & spain, they should equally divide all the time (except for china at the end of course) for every country so that every single one can at least get a moment of real glory.

for most of those countries, it's the highlight of the whole experience. especially for countries like cyprus & zambia, since cyprus was the 2nd most applauded last year in greece but it's not like they actually won any medals throughout the entire time. same with zambia, they got their moment because they were 203rd in the ceremony, right before china, and the chinese were already beginning to applaud very loudly.

i respect what you're saying, i just don't think it's entirely fair. every country in the world at the olympics, at least for the opening ceremony, should receive equal treatment, except for the host.

in case anyone missed it or was unsure, this is a clip of the pre-recorded cgi stuff used during the opening ceremony

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Originally posted by Meat187 It's boring without Tiesto.

YES IT IS LOL

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