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Posted by jayxthekoolest on Aug-25-2008 03:57:

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Originally posted by Floorfiller

pretty much because he remixed Sarah McLachlan with a big super saw

I have no idea what a super saw is. Perhaps fill me in on this one...?

Posted by RJT on Aug-25-2008 04:07:

Posted by jayxthekoolest on Aug-25-2008 04:54:

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Originally posted by RJT

Oh no! I'm even more confused.

Seriously what does super saw mean...?

EDIT: Massive fail on my part. Easily found in two seconds with a google search.

Posted by jayxthekoolest on Aug-25-2008 06:34:

Wait, so you don't think this is a good song???:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc94w5PSvec

Posted by Krypton on Aug-25-2008 07:55:

Re: Re: Why is Tiesto so big?

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Originally posted by hooknife
Say what you want, he makes some pretty damn good music.

Maybe I was too pessimistic. I loved his In Search of Sunrise series, still do. Tiesto is at the top of my list when it comes to Miami/Ibiza kind of trance. Never been to Ibiza, but I been to Miami, and it is definitely an international, high status, party city. The ISOS just reminds of Miami. I love it.

I was thinking from a business sense, why is Tiesto #1. He is running a business you know. I'm just saying, he runs a damn good business. A business with an impenetrable brand name and label.

Posted by Teezdalien on Aug-25-2008 08:48:

He has released a lot of quality trance music imo. Although I do think his mixing skills aren't as great as other DJs, I still think he is a great DJ with awesome tracks/selections.
I'm not jealous of his success. I think he's probably worked hard to achieve his status and deserves it.

Posted by _Ocean_Drive_ on Aug-25-2008 13:58:

I saw him at Ageha in April, and he was phenomenal. Not to say I completely enjoyed his set, but his showmanship was fantastic, and I don't think it's a case of DJ worshipping (least not in Tokyo) it was more of people going and knowing that they were going to enjoy themselves, and that's exactly what happened.

Mixing was techincally flawless, crowd interaction super etc...

I agree that he is often OTT, but equally I think he was and is to trance what Queen were to the Rock world; the first band to come on stage and really interact with the crowd and make a show of it, not just come on stage, put their heads down, play their stuff and go home again. Likewise with Tiesto, the guy is good at what he does. End of.

Posted by Col on Aug-25-2008 13:59:

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Actually its because he was just that damn good until about 2004.

Absolute truth, and that's why I struggle to understand WHY he's making such shit now.

Tiesto was huge at the start of the decade (granted, not as big as he is now, but not far off), and yet over the last few years he's deteriorated rapidly, producing shitty pop songs and not being all that much out on the decks either. Why? For money and fame, maybe... but he got where he was by making the stuff he did back in the day - better stuff - so surely there was no need to lower himself in order to achieve money and fame, right?

It's the same with Armin, just heard one of his newer tracks on YouTube, "In And Out Of Love". It's just so shit, it's embarrassingly poor. It's a pop song that has, for some reason, been made as a trance record. But WHY? Even three years ago Armin wasn't producing stuff quite this poor, and he was still well up there in the top 3 of DJ Mag. He must've had money and fame even 3-4 years ago, so why become EVEN shitter and EVEN more of a sell-out?

Look at someone like Sasha - he's been going since 1989 and he became 'big' quite quickly, so why wasn't he making pop ballads by the time 1996 came along? The last big tune he made was "Coma"; so even after like 15-20 years of being a massive DJ, at the top of the game, he's STILL making respectable tunes rather than pop ballads. And guess what, he's STILL big and STILL right up there at the top. Btw, I'm not just bumming Sasha because I like him, I'm trying to be as objective as possible in this post. I'm just using him as an example; you CAN have a big reputation without your music becoming shit. So why didn't Tiesto and co. follow that route too?

I mean, did they not probably hate cheesy dance music when they were growing up? Surely they were militantly opposed to it - but now look what they've become.

It can't be that easy sleeping at night. Sure, you're rich and (relatively) famous but you have to live with the fact you've absolutely shat all over the music you used to love and cherish. The stuff you were so passionate about, that you'd constantly have to defend against tools putting you down over it just because it's not the stuff all the cool kids are listening to. Sure, idiots bum you, but you know you've become an utter c*nt to music and don't deserve the success you've had. Can you imagine how bad that must feel, to anyone with a conscience?

Posted by Tetraflux on Aug-25-2008 15:39:

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Originally posted by Col
Absolute truth, and that's why I struggle to understand WHY he's making such shit now.

Tiesto was huge at the start of the decade (granted, not as big as he is now, but not far off), and yet over the last few years he's deteriorated rapidly, producing shitty pop songs and not being all that much out on the decks either. Why? For money and fame, maybe... but he got where he was by making the stuff he did back in the day - better stuff - so surely there was no need to lower himself in order to achieve money and fame, right?

It's the same with Armin, just heard one of his newer tracks on YouTube, "In And Out Of Love". It's just so shit, it's embarrassingly poor. It's a pop song that has, for some reason, been made as a trance record. But WHY? Even three years ago Armin wasn't producing stuff quite this poor, and he was still well up there in the top 3 of DJ Mag. He must've had money and fame even 3-4 years ago, so why become EVEN shitter and EVEN more of a sell-out?

Look at someone like Sasha - he's been going since 1989 and he became 'big' quite quickly, so why wasn't he making pop ballads by the time 1996 came along? The last big tune he made was "Coma"; so even after like 15-20 years of being a massive DJ, at the top of the game, he's STILL making respectable tunes rather than pop ballads. And guess what, he's STILL big and STILL right up there at the top. Btw, I'm not just bumming Sasha because I like him, I'm trying to be as objective as possible in this post. I'm just using him as an example; you CAN have a big reputation without your music becoming shit. So why didn't Tiesto and co. follow that route too?

I mean, did they not probably hate cheesy dance music when they were growing up? Surely they were militantly opposed to it - but now look what they've become.

It can't be that easy sleeping at night. Sure, you're rich and (relatively) famous but you have to live with the fact you've absolutely shat all over the music you used to love and cherish. The stuff you were so passionate about, that you'd constantly have to defend against tools putting you down over it just because it's not the stuff all the cool kids are listening to. Sure, idiots bum you, but you know you've become an utter c*nt to music and don't deserve the success you've had. Can you imagine how bad that must feel, to anyone with a conscience?

truth here.. i remember hearing armin live on rapture tv for the first time in 2001.. he played the most immense set ive probably ever heard.. he has kind of gone the same route of tiesto.. and i agree about that sasha part aswell.. i dunno i wouldnt really say that armin has ever had the same level of respect as someone like sasha but sasha doesnt need to sell out to make money i guess... someone like armin does.

Posted by Col on Aug-25-2008 17:22:

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Originally posted by Tetraflux
truth here.. i remember hearing armin live on rapture tv for the first time in 2001.. he played the most immense set ive probably ever heard.. he has kind of gone the same route of tiesto.. and i agree about that sasha part aswell.. i dunno i wouldnt really say that armin has ever had the same level of respect as someone like sasha but sasha doesnt need to sell out to make money i guess... someone like armin does.

True, Armin vs Sasha isn't really a fair comparison as the latter is simply far more talented and can afford to get by on talent alone.

I just find it upsetting more than anything; I'm less inclined to see the 'big' trance DJs these days, despite them having been my idols in the past, purely because I don't wanna know how shit they've become.

Posted by Fledz on Aug-25-2008 22:45:

Yes but have you actually seen Tiesto recently or did you conveniently miss all of the discussion about just how good of a party he still puts on and how the chances are extremely high that you will have a great time, regardless of what music you listen to now? That's the difference with Armin, and I believe Sasha has changed a lot too over the years, at least from what I've heard about him. Armin disappoints me a lot these days DJ wise that I even skipped the Armin Only concert. I've never seen Sasha live but a lot of people have also started to skip seeing him due to the fact that he simply isn't the same as he was before and can be disappointing to fans. You rarely see this with Tiesto.
Sure, we can look at it from another angle with the productions and I'm not disagreeing with you there, but when looking at it from a purely DJing perspective, he still delivers the goods. His track selection is still top notch and people seem to love his shows with good reason.
EDIT - I should get a chance to see Sasha sometime this year so I'll be keen to finally check him out

Posted by adi_hanson on Aug-25-2008 22:53:

I went to tiesto earlier this month to check out the rumours of a bad , over hyped Dj and TBh soon as his intro started and then he played cygnus x - orange theme , i couldnt give a fuck

Posted by airwalker1 on Aug-25-2008 23:32:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is Tiesto so big?

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Originally posted by richg101
you numb bell end. name one year since 99/00 when there have been as many prominant dance tracks hitting the uk top 40?
ha ha he's right trance hit the big time at 1999. any thing after 99/00 was pure cheese fest with the likes of scooter and that.trance will allways remain at the for front of it all cos its so dame virsatle.

Posted by airwalker1 on Aug-25-2008 23:38:

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Originally posted by Fledz
Dude, his events are still amazing. The music, the effects, the atmosphere, the track selection, even his mixing has improved. Definitely someone you should make an effort to see.
yeah and just think how you would feal if tiesto playd one ya tracks ile go crazy

Posted by Col on Aug-26-2008 00:22:

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Originally posted by Fledz
Yes but have you actually seen Tiesto recently or did you conveniently miss all of the discussion about just how good of a party he still puts on and how the chances are extremely high that you will have a great time, regardless of what music you listen to now?

No, to be fair I haven't seen him recently. Saw him twice in 2006, but not since then.

There are quite a lot of things that put me off seeing him though:

1. The people. I've noticed amongst his growing fanbase of the last few years that a lot of his fans seem to be absolute idiots. I guess you could say it's the same reason I don't go to watch Man United games at the pub anymore. I'm a Man U fan (originally from Manchester, but went to uni in Birmingham) and when I'm in a Birmingham pub for a game it's chock full of stupid glory supporters from Kensington who don't have a fucking clue about football. Really takes the enjoyment out of the experience. It's embarrassing. Even if I like the music he's playing, I also like the company of an informed audience and I don't think you get that with Tiesto.

2. His music. Come on, he's making some shit tunes now, remixes of Britney and Justin Timberlake. I know producing and DJing are separate fields, but does he honestly not play those tunes out? I bet he does.

3. His attitude. Tiesto seems to want everything to be really big and grandiose. Huge stages, elaborate production and lighting, vast amounts of people and his face plastered everywhere. I remember someone saying they'd bought a ticket for his gig at the O2 arena and there was a seat number on it. What the fuck, it's a dance event. People need to realise that less is more, particularly when it comes to going to raves. Sure, trance suits a big stage but there should be a limit. Tiesto, and some of the other top trance DJs, have violated that limit many times with concerts and fucking Disneyland. It's not what raving is about; in fact, it's the complete opposite. It's meant to be select and intimate, not glaring and obnoxious.

I'll probably see him again at a festival or something over the next few years; all I'm saying is that I don't have much of a desire to see him anymore BASED on those three factors mentioned above. Seems pretty reasonable to me, really.

Posted by Fledz on Aug-26-2008 00:45:

Yea that's fair enough, each to their own I guess. I personally enjoy really massive events and at other times like a more intimate and smaller venue.
Sadly a lot of those problems arise when something/someone becomes popular but hey, you gotta deal with it one way or another.

Posted by drEamer on Aug-26-2008 01:30:

been to literally hundreds and hundreds of shows.....Tiesto's parties are some of the better ones....just the whole energy level...true there are alot of douche bags there, but ive found that i have had the most fun at Tiesto's shows

Posted by infiniteJEST on Aug-26-2008 01:37:

Put yourself in Tiesto's shoes. You are on the leading front of electronic dance music and you WOULDN'T throw rockstar-type shows in huge venues and elaborate production? The guy is living the dream. He's also a whore for money, but really now, who isn't?

As for the idiot audience, hell, we all have to start somewhere. Seriously, for anyone that doesn't know jack shit about trance music Tiesto is VERY noob-friendly. His music flat-out makes a LOT of people want to dance, which is probably the most important aspect of being a superstar DJ. Make them want to dance, and they will come to your shows.

Even his name is easy to remember and gives him an image. The guy has just done it right.

Posted by drEamer on Aug-26-2008 01:39:

Posted by WardC on Aug-26-2008 02:25:

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Originally posted by couch-potato
Put yourself in Tiesto's shoes. You are on the leading front of electronic dance music and you WOULDN'T throw rockstar-type shows in huge venues and elaborate production? The guy is living the dream. He's also a whore for money, but really now, who isn't?

As for the idiot audience, hell, we all have to start somewhere. Seriously, for anyone that doesn't know jack shit about trance music Tiesto is VERY noob-friendly. His music flat-out makes a LOT of people want to dance, which is probably the most important aspect of being a superstar DJ. Make them want to dance, and they will come to your shows.

Even his name is easy to remember and gives him an image. The guy has just done it right.

We used to have these things here called RAVES, and those were usually the entrance point for most folks into the scene. 1 night, 12 hours of dancing, 25-50 DJs...insanity.

We don't have much of that anymore here, everything has moved into clubs. Rave scene in Texas-USA is about dead as dirt right now.

(p.s. I do know everybody already knows about raves and massive, I was just trying to make a point. LOL...I'm not that stupid)

Posted by Tetraflux on Aug-26-2008 07:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Col
True, Armin vs Sasha isn't really a fair comparison as the latter is simply far more talented and can afford to get by on talent alone.

I just find it upsetting more than anything; I'm less inclined to see the 'big' trance DJs these days, despite them having been my idols in the past, purely because I don't wanna know how shit they've become.

definitely - id never consider it. That whole concert format - I mean wtf. In 2002 id never even contemplated the idea of tiesto doing that shit.. same with armin when you look at his remixes of the likes of iio 'rapture' I mean awesome trance. How people are still listening to recent stuff I have no idea. I do still play trance daily but normally nothing beyond late 03. Also I have recently had the misfortunes of looking through sky plus and discovering that there is a channel called clubland uk... the state of the representation of dance 'trance music' for the masses is absolutely soul destroying. A disgrace.. e.g scooter.. and the rest of that hard jumpstyle shit. I think chicane are one of the very few that have kind of done well.. with the likes of 'dont give up' - 'offshore' - 'no ordinary' 'saltwater' morning.. choons. And of course when rui da silva 'touch me' and modjo 'lady' oh and even ' stardust ' music sounds better with you' they all went to number 1 but these are hardly trance tracks.

Posted by Tetraflux on Aug-26-2008 07:16:

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Originally posted by Col
No, to be fair I haven't seen him recently. Saw him twice in 2006, but not since then.

There are quite a lot of things that put me off seeing him though:

1. The people. I've noticed amongst his growing fanbase of the last few years that a lot of his fans seem to be absolute idiots. I guess you could say it's the same reason I don't go to watch Man United games at the pub anymore. I'm a Man U fan (originally from Manchester, but went to uni in Birmingham) and when I'm in a Birmingham pub for a game it's chock full of stupid glory supporters from Kensington who don't have a fucking clue about football. Really takes the enjoyment out of the experience. It's embarrassing. Even if I like the music he's playing, I also like the company of an informed audience and I don't think you get that with Tiesto.

2. His music. Come on, he's making some shit tunes now, remixes of Britney and Justin Timberlake. I know producing and DJing are separate fields, but does he honestly not play those tunes out? I bet he does.

3. His attitude. Tiesto seems to want everything to be really big and grandiose. Huge stages, elaborate production and lighting, vast amounts of people and his face plastered everywhere. I remember someone saying they'd bought a ticket for his gig at the O2 arena and there was a seat number on it. What the fuck, it's a dance event. People need to realise that less is more, particularly when it comes to going to raves. Sure, trance suits a big stage but there should be a limit. Tiesto, and some of the other top trance DJs, have violated that limit many times with concerts and fucking Disneyland. It's not what raving is about; in fact, it's the complete opposite. It's meant to be select and intimate, not glaring and obnoxious.

I'll probably see him again at a festival or something over the next few years; all I'm saying is that I don't have much of a desire to see him anymore BASED on those three factors mentioned above. Seems pretty reasonable to me, really.

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Posted by MichaelBoogerd! on Aug-26-2008 10:58:

Posted by Sykonee on Aug-26-2008 13:10:

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
3. because he's Maximahl!!!!!
(see privilege trailer @ tiesto.com)
"the wholeisland is going minimal what do you think?"
"i think i'm the total opposite, i'm hear to provide the trance, i'm Maximahl baby *cheesy grin*"

Heh. Now he's biting Ed Banger and crew. Over a year late, as always.

Posted by chinqlinq on Aug-26-2008 22:57:

lol its MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING

when you ask random people to list 3 "techno" or trance DJs, if they even can name 3, they will say Tiesto.

if you ask them to name 1 song from him, they probably will be stumped. a bunch of people i know have Tiesto on their iPods just because its tiesto. all they probably wanted was some trance and went on limewire and searched "Tiesto" and clicked download as they went down the list of songs.

Tiesto is a household trance name, thats how good him and his team did at marketing the name and brand.

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