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Originally posted by RJT I know, but the question wasn't really framed for you then, was it? I don't understand why it has to be that way. And I always, always love it when it gets to the point where people talk down to me for being thoughtful about something I care about. If wanting to learn from others people is wrong, then I never want to be right.

It is that way because these guys are going to bring money to the club. People are going to show up because of who they are. Not because they are necessarily good at what they do. They draw a crowd.

Running a Successful Club 101

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT It is that way because these guys are going to bring money to the club. People are going to show up because of who they are. Not because they are necessarily good at what they do. They draw a crowd.

Which was made clear in my first post. Thank you, Captain Obvious, for your efforts in redundant redundancy.

I think you're over thinking it, man. It's just the sad reality today, It's not about who makes the sickest music or who plays the nastiest sets anymore. I wasn't there back then but I can tell that's how it was back then due to the nostalgia I see here. Today is about who brings the most money and the most empty head to the table. Sadly.

edit: You may ask why, I say greed.

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Originally posted by RJT Which was made clear in my first post. Thank you, Captain Obvious, for your efforts in redundant redundancy.

So you are having a tough time with accepting the obvious? Is that what this thread is all about?

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Originally posted by wotyzoid I think you're over thinking it, man. It's just the sad reality today, It's not about who makes the sickest music or who plays the nastiest sets anymore. I wasn't there back then but I can tell that's how it was back then due to the nostalgia I see here. Today is about who brings the most money and the most empty head to the table. Sadly.

Apparently he made this clear in his first post. There is actually a hidden meaning in this thread. Maybe we should look to Richie Hawtin and the Cube?

DJs that also produce will always have an easier time getting a gig vs DJs that do not. The reason is simple: it is a major attribute that seperates them from the rest. Out of all the millions (that's probably an accurate estimate) of djs in the world, how many of them have a track released on a label (a label that is not a netlabel)? I'd say a very small percentage of all the dj's out there have a track released in their name.

long time ago, in the beginning, there were only a few djs and they were really good. over the years, more and more people became djs because it seemed simple and they said "hey, i can do that". so they give it a go and they end up sounding almost as good as the person that inspired them to start dj'ing. then, someone else sees them and says "hey, i can do that", so they in turn give it a go and end up sounding almost as good as that person that inspired them. this creates an endless downward spiral of talent, and its evident in the quality of livesets ive listened to over the past, hmm, 15 years (im 32).

so with all the djs playing more and more repetitive and boring, bar/club owners are confused, they dont know what to do, because all these dj's sound crappy and clear the floor and their bar ends up making more money on hip hop nights. but the requests keep coming in from folks that they want electronic dance music. so now with handfulls of djs saying "pick me! pick me!" it becomes all about promoting ... what dj can promote themselves better than the other, and one thing on a dj's resume that is a knock out punch to the others is a trackname they can proudly claim they created and was released on a label.

however, despite all this, you still dont need to have a released track to keep a job as a dj or get lots of gigs. you can still be successfull as just a dj, and here's how: KEEP THE FLOOR MOVING. if you make a dancefloor move better than the other guy believe me the owner is going to notice. it is still the most important thing to an owner, its just that those kind of djs are very rare lately.

i have seen proof of this firsthand a couple months ago and it was a difficult thing to see: friend of mine is the resident dj at a club. over the months, the floor got smaller and smaller for him. he went on vacation with family for a week and owner had someone fill in for him. the guy that filled in for him did a great job, had the floor moving noticeably better. the owner went up to him halfway through the night and offered him the job. he is now the new thurs night resident and my friend is cut to just wed night.

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Originally posted by RJT I know, but the question wasn't really framed for you then, was it? I don't understand why it has to be that way. And I always, always love it when it gets to the point where people talk down to me for being thoughtful about something I care about. If wanting to learn from others people is wrong, then I never want to be right. I can't be blamed if there's nothing to be taken from DOOMBOT's contributions to this forum beyond having a prime example of how not to act.

lol, whats not to understand? There's a million kids just like u who have the same music and same "talent" to warp tracks with Ableton. Years ago it was hard to find this crazy dance music, but now the internet has brought it all together, and the world is much smaller now.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT So you are having a tough time with accepting the obvious? Is that what this thread is all about?

This is the last time I'm going to repeat myself to you, and I hope the last time I even bother with you, but if you were capable of reading and comprehending, you'd see that the question was WHY people think it has shifted to this - not that it has.

In closing, I really think you are one of the biggest wastes of internet I have ever encountered.

People complain that I've ruined threads? All they need to do is "search all posts by user" for DOOMBOT to see a legacy of idiocy that has spanned your entire tenure on TA. More than enough people manage to have intelligent discourse with me - what's your excuse for why you can't seem to manage the same?

You've made your way to ignore for me, I'd hope you choose to do the same with me.

Folks, really, just answer RJT's question. When did it become such a bad thing to only want to be a good DJ?

And please, no replies unless you have given this question some serious thought. It means a lot to him and the entire EDM scene.

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Originally posted by RJT

glad we agree on something... finally! lol.

well i think we both agreed you're a damn good dj before, so there's that.

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Originally posted by RJT I know, but the question wasn't really framed for you then, was it? I don't understand why it has to be that way. And I always, always love it when it gets to the point where people talk down to me for being thoughtful about something I care about. If wanting to learn from others people is wrong, then I never want to be right. I can't be blamed if there's nothing to be taken from DOOMBOT's contributions to this forum beyond having a prime example of how not to act.

I'm aware I didn't answer the question, I could, but it would take time and I'm not even sure of all the reasons why this is the case in dance music. It depends on a lot of things. I just wanted to offer an interesting way of looking at your initial problem re: production.

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Originally posted by Clovis I'm aware I didn't answer the question, I could, but it would take time and I'm not even sure of all the reasons why this is the case in dance music. It depends on a lot of things. I just wanted to offer an interesting way of looking at your initial problem re: production.

Yeah - I don't know. I guess I just don't want to - I don't get a lot of pleasure out of producing music, and even less out of producing stuff I'd really ever play (if I do anything I like to work on downtempo and/or ambient stuff).

So basically I think the industry is racist against the race of people who aren't inclined to produce. Kind of like how 60% of all people who drown in America are African American.

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Originally posted by Clovis I'm aware I didn't answer the question, I could, but it would take time and I'm not even sure of all the reasons why this is the case in dance music.

Just this I think..

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Originally posted by Clovis and as consequence get good DJing gigs

yeah but what qualifies a gig being "good". as i mentioned before i'm perfectly content with the small gigs i get around town, and have no aspirations of banging out tunes in front of large swarms of people. i get nice feedback from my friends. cute girls in summer dresses dance the night away. i pack it up 4 hrs later and go home satisfied.

are you saying that this, somehow, is inferior to playing large gigs in clubs?

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Just this I think..

It's really as simple as that. We didn't need a retarded thread to figure it out either. If he doesn't want wacky responses from people then maybe he shouldn't make such threads.

interesting arguments in here. i think in the big picture producers are adding something tangible back into the scene/music. Genre's die when new people stop trying to produce it.

however just because you don't write doesn't mean you can't add just as much back. i know for a fact there are a few djs in boston(ali ajami?) that never produced until much later and were so important to the scene. they did 1 or 2 shows a week but the consistency of music and atmosphere was adding just as much to scene as a production.

plus producers need DJ's who don't produce and DJ's need producers who can't promote correctly. i think they are a great compliment to each other.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 plus producers need DJ's who don't produce and DJ's need producers who can't promote correctly. i think they are a great compliment to each other.

This is, I think, a great point to be made. Do you think this dichotomy is still as prevalent as it used to be, or that it kind of begins to die with the trend of the producer/dj?

I guess that was one thing I always found neat back in the day - producers who clearly worked very closely with certain DJ's, and it sounded like they basically both influenced each other. Very cool kind of relationship.

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Originally posted by denys envy yeah but what qualifies a gig being "good". as i mentioned before i'm perfectly content with the small gigs i get around town, and have no aspirations of banging out tunes in front of large swarms of people. i get nice feedback from my friends. cute girls in summer dresses dance the night away. i pack it up 4 hrs later and go home satisfied. are you saying that this, somehow, is inferior to playing large gigs in clubs?

I dunno why you surmised that my idea of good gigs = banging out tunes in front of large swarms of people or even large gigs in clubs.

My idea of a good gig is just being able to play what I want or feel like to people who want or are willing to hear it in any interesting environment with good sound.

I would really like to be able to get paid to travel and play in exotic locations.

I actually much prefer smaller gigs.

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Originally posted by Clovis I would really like to be able to get paid to travel and play in exotic locations.

You're more than welcome at Ravens in Appleton.

Ask Bas, he's played there.

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Originally posted by Clovis I would really like to be able to get paid to travel and play in exotic locations.

ahh. good point.

i guess it would be fun to go down to brazil or something, i heard the scene there is WILD. and the ladies !

That sounds pretty exotic. I guess I'll have to wait till my first release though.

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Originally posted by Clovis That sounds pretty exotic. I guess I'll have to wait till my first release though.

I really do love TA.

And you are more than welcome, any time. Capacity in the front room is 125, chill lounge, and the only people there who would actually care what you played would be people I know.

Everyone else is either just looking for a fancy martini or a gay dude (and their straight girl friends). Not bad, not bad at all.

Ya know, what I want to know is, why it became such a bad thing to like Tiesto? I mean, people used to like Tiesto and it was ok. Now if you like Tiesto, it's not so good. Why is that guys?

I hope this question doesn't ruin my legendary status that I'm trying to keep up with here. I just really need to know the answer to this question!

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