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i am going to fucking smack you.

wake up!

you haven't failed yet ffs.

Yeah dude, you are nowhere near a failure. You just got a job that pays quite well, even if you are in a shithole of a town. Things are looking up dude. I was in a similar position for a few months, but now that I have gotten my finances on track, it has really helped me a ton.

Try not to think of therapy as failure either. I've been in and out a few times and it's always been a great experience, just having someone to talk to objectively about things going on. For a while it was something I looked forward to, going and talking to my therapist.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Something I am glad I don't, and never did, have.

Well, there are upsides to it as well. Generally speaking, though, it can really give you a nagging sense of entitlement -- which many people deny -- but often the way they live their lives (extravagant expenses + always asking parents for money + little work + poor saving habits) lets you know whether they have the entitlement mindset or not.

I would go to a psychologist rather than a psychiatrist first.

If you go to a psychiatrist, chances are probably 50 / 50 that you will get someone who tosses a sample packet of SSRIs or MAOIs at you after ten to fifteen minutes.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Well, there are upsides to it as well. Generally speaking, though, it can really give you a nagging sense of entitlement -- which many people deny -- but often the way they live their lives (extravagant expenses + always asking parents for money + little work + poor saving habits) lets you know whether they have the entitlement mindset or not.

Agreed, but not having that, has also given me the respect for the others that bust their ass for their whole life and have nothing. Where as most of the ones that have that safety net (Dave Dresden) don't give a shit.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles If you go to a psychiatrist, chances are probably 50 / 50 that you will get someone who tosses a sample packet of SSRIs or MAOIs at you after ten to fifteen minutes.

This is also good advice, I went through a few doctors who just tried to throw pills at me, and I really didn't want to go on any medication.

It doesnt sound like you are depressed just unhappy with the situation you are in. I imagine that is just from the change of pace you had before. I seriously doubt you need therapy for something like this.

while i never meant to imply that rjt was clinically depressed, i would like to know what depression sounds like nach.

could it hurt?

even if you are fine and dandy, the worst that can happen is that you get valuable insight. You also still live at home and are in school. Wait until you experience life a bit to give advice about things that you think yet don't know.

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Originally posted by elFreak while i never meant to imply that rjt was clinically depressed, i would like to know what depression sounds like nach. could it hurt? even if you are fine and dandy, the worst that can happen is that you get valuable insight. You also still live at home and are in school. Wait until you experience life a bit to give advice about things that you think yet don't know.

Going to a psychiatrist for something like this cant hurt. But it would be expensive. So does this cost outweight the benefits? Insurance companies usually pay for 6 sessions the most so maybe it would be free if you only go for those.


Depression concists of a myriad of symptoms. If i remember correctly you must show a minimum of 3 or 4 to be considered clinically depressed. Now, what does being clinically depressed sound like? I dunno, sounds like different things to me, but i attribute robs problems simply to the fact that he finished school and has a different lifestyle.


I could be wrong though, i am not a doctor and i dont know him very well.

preventive measures are quite preventive.

Does it count as irony when I've already taken an Ambien to sleep and just now got a phonecall saying "We'd prefer it if we could start the project Sunday night so it could be finished in the business week."

Probably just coincidence.

*slaps you*

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Originally posted by nchs09 Going to a psychiatrist for something like this cant hurt. But it would be expensive. So does this cost outweight the benefits? Insurance companies usually pay for 6 sessions the most so maybe it would be free if you only go for those. Depression concists of a myriad of symptoms. If i remember correctly you must show a minimum of 3 or 4 to be considered clinically depressed. Now, what does being clinically depressed sound like? I dunno, sounds like different things to me, but i attribute robs problems simply to the fact that he finished school and has a different lifestyle. I could be wrong though, i am not a doctor and i dont know him very well.

Here ya go!


DSM-IV-TR CRITERIA
Major Depressive Episode

A. Five (or more) of the following symptoms have been present during the same 2-week period and represent a change from previous functioning; at least one of the symptoms is either (1) depressed mood or (2) loss of interest or pleasure. NOTE: Do not include symptoms that are clearly due to a general medical condition, or mood-incongruent delusions or hallucinations.

1. Depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day, as indicated by either subjective report (e.g., feels sad or empty) or observation made by others (e.g., appears tearful). NOTE: In children and adolescents, can be irritable mood.

2. Markedly diminished interest or pleasure in all, or almost all, activities most of the day, nearly every day (as indicated by either subjective account or observation made by others).

3. Significant weight loss when not dieting or weight gain (e.g., a change of more than 5% of body weight in month), or decrease or increase in appetite nearly every day. NOTE: In children, consider failure to make expected weight gains.

4. Insomnia or hypersomnia nearly every day.

5. Psychomotor agitation or retardation nearly every day (observable by others, not merely subjective feelings of restlessness or being slowed down).

6. Fatigue or loss of energy nearly every day.

7. Feelings of worthlessness or excessive or inappropriate guilt (which may be delusional) nearly every day (not merely self-reproach or guilt about being sick).

8. Diminished ability to think or concentrate, or indecisiveness, nearly every day (either by subjective account or as observed by others).

9. Recurrent thoughts of death (not just fear of dying), recurrent suicidal ideation without a specific plan, or a suicide attempt or a specific plan for committing suicide.

B. The symptoms do not meet criteria for a mixed episode.

C. The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

D. The symptoms are not due to the direct physiologic effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., hypothyroidism).

E. The symptoms are not better accounted for by bereavement (i.e., after the loss of a loved one, the symptoms persist for longer than 2 months or are characterized by marked functional impairment, morbid preoccupation with worthlessness, suicidal ideation, psychotic symptoms, or psychomotor retardation).




From American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision. Washington, DC, American Psychiatric Association, 2000.

Cor version of the list?

That IS the cor version, dummy.

then, how bout a dummy version of the cor version.

I put some spaces in it. Should make it easier to read.

I was just kidding you can take the spaces out. I find those things are like horoscopes, if you read them enough, you can start to believe you have those symptoms. I still think I'm in the early stages of Ebola even though its been a few years since my self diagnosis.

i am a bi polar lesbian with multiple personalities.

fuck off alt.

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Originally posted by jennypie Here ya go! DSM-IV-TR CRITERIA Major Depressive Episode A. Five (or more) of the following symptoms have been present during the same 2-week period and represent a change from previous functioning; at least one of the symptoms is either (1) depressed mood or (2) loss of interest or pleasure. NOTE: Do not include symptoms that are clearly due to a general medical condition, or mood-incongruent delusions or hallucinations. 1. Depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day, as indicated by either subjective report (e.g., feels sad or empty) or observation made by others (e.g., appears tearful). NOTE: In children and adolescents, can be irritable mood. 2. Markedly diminished interest or pleasure in all, or almost all, activities most of the day, nearly every day (as indicated by either subjective account or observation made by others). 3. Significant weight loss when not dieting or weight gain (e.g., a change of more than 5% of body weight in month), or decrease or increase in appetite nearly every day. NOTE: In children, consider failure to make expected weight gains. 4. Insomnia or hypersomnia nearly every day. 5. Psychomotor agitation or retardation nearly every day (observable by others, not merely subjective feelings of restlessness or being slowed down). 6. Fatigue or loss of energy nearly every day. 7. Feelings of worthlessness or excessive or inappropriate guilt (which may be delusional) nearly every day (not merely self-reproach or guilt about being sick). 8. Diminished ability to think or concentrate, or indecisiveness, nearly every day (either by subjective account or as observed by others). 9. Recurrent thoughts of death (not just fear of dying), recurrent suicidal ideation without a specific plan, or a suicide attempt or a specific plan for committing suicide. B. The symptoms do not meet criteria for a mixed episode. C. The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. D. The symptoms are not due to the direct physiologic effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., hypothyroidism). E. The symptoms are not better accounted for by bereavement (i.e., after the loss of a loved one, the symptoms persist for longer than 2 months or are characterized by marked functional impairment, morbid preoccupation with worthlessness, suicidal ideation, psychotic symptoms, or psychomotor retardation). From American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision. Washington, DC, American Psychiatric Association, 2000.

oh, its 5. Ya i dunno i learned it a while ago and kinda forgot about it


nerd.

I just copied it from the appendix of a paper I wrote a couple years ago.

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Originally posted by tubularbills graveyard shift. have worked 6 months of shiftwork on it. actually, it might hav ebeen more than 6 months total (one set of 3 months; three sets of 2 months). 11pm-7am. i liked the midnight shift for a few reasons: 1) when i was done with shift, the sun was coming up (or would be up, depending on the time of year), and i felt awake and it was great to go to the gym and workout 2) on my "nights" off, i could still go out and party 3) it allowed me to take up a few hobbies that i would be too distracted to partake in during the daylight hours. i didn't like mids for a few reasons: 1) i didn't have a problem sleeping during the day; but i had a problem waking up at 7-8pm and wanting to eat DINNER, not breakfast. 2) if i needed to get things done during the day, it had to be in the morning. after like 11am, i was shot; so i would lose a lot of sleep if i had to do something at say, 2-5pm timeframe 3) social life kinda blew because i wasn't always on the same shift as my friends. so they were always going out when i was working; and vice versa. (that was always a shift-work thing; not just a mid thing). overall, i like nights for 1-2 months. that third month tho; shit it was awful. 4 nights on, 2 nights off...for three months really wore on me. the only consolation i had was the last week of nights was when my MONO set in; so i was away from work. tips/hints i found helpful for that particular shift: - keep your food schedule the same. wake up at night and have dinner. don't have coffee/breakfast...save that for when you get off shift. - keep your work environment light/bright...it helps with staying awake at odd hours of the night. - if you are like me, you won't have a problem sleeping with the sun up; but if you do, then just put some blankets up over your windows. or tin/aluminum foil. - drink a lot of water - on your days off (if you have 1-2 days off) don't go back to a day schedule. keep your night schedule. going back and forth on your days on/days off really fucks with you. keep a routine/schedule and stick with it. (that was what killed me the last month)

Thank God for MONO.

Welp, in two hours I start my first full week on 3rd. Here goes nothing!

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Originally posted by RJT Welp, in two hours I start my first full week on 3rd. Here goes nothing!

The fact that it's a full week is the important thing here.

I had an awesome job at third shift, but it was only two days out of the week. So I would have a relatively regular sleeping pattern until Thursday, work from 11-7 on Thursday and Friday, then try to return to normalcy on Saturday.

It's hard to live a comfortable life working part-time third shift.

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