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WOW! WTF is going on in this thread! I can't tell if this is real or just trolling. I'm Mexican and I don't say "Illegal Alien"...I say wetback or paisas because they sound funnier. I don't know how this PC shit got so out of control. I'm with Ben on the whole PC thing. People just need to shut the fuck up and learn to cope with ....gasp.... THE REAL WORLD! I'm sorry but mama isn't going to be around forever to protect you from having your feelings hurt and keep mean people away from you forever. I've been called a beaner, spic, wab, wetback, camel jockey, jihad, sandnagger (people think I look Arab I guess) etc. and guess what? I'm no worse for the wear. I just laugh it off because I know that I am far more educated then the person slinging those epithets and I also know that I could fuck them up if it came to a physical altercation. Hell, I would even love to hear an original one instead of the same ones over and over again.

I don't know what all the fuss over the term "Illegal Alien" is all about if they are the exact definition of said term. It doesn't specifically target any race. In Souther California the term brings up images of Mexicans, in South Florida it is Cubans and Haitians, in NYC it is a good portion of the blue collar work force made up of just about every nationality. In Southern Mexico it is Salvadorians and Hondurans. You get the point.

So everyone just agree with my views and everything will be OK.



And as for these "shady" Skizzel and Gehumtieadsalkdnsgofnigdfjadg characters make sure you lock up your daughters at night or else ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL GET THEM!

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and my Russian commarade... please don't tell someone to go back to your home country! LOL... i know u are better than that! i like ur argument about illegal aliens and of course there has to be a difference with being a citizens and being 'illegal'... but i know one thing... this country needs illegal workers because if we dont have them who's gonnna work on our farm and restaurants... they're not really taking jobs... i think its fair! allright so everyone cool it!!!

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I don't have any problem with you being a vegan/vegetarian, but calling someone a nasty fuck because they like meat goes to show how whack a good portion of you guys are. Most of the ones I know (thank goodness they aren't whack jobs) are totally fine with others loving meat. They won't insult someone for it, or shame them into being the same way they are. Maybe you could take some lessons from them.

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Originally posted by R!CH

whatever your thoughts on meat eating, i don't see why anyone besides the livestock industry would vote no on this... healthy animals = tasty meat. there's many things i'm willing to skimp on, but food quality isn't one of them. if that means meat will cost a little more in the market place, i still don't see the problem. americans eat way too much meat as it is. high quality animal protein is necessary for healthy development, but overeating meat is part of why we as a nation have so many health problems.

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Originally posted by Torin I'm going to forget that for every pound of beef, a cow needs to consume 16 pounds of grain...that amount of grain could feed over 40 people yet 840 million people are still going hungry.

this statement holds no ground. There is plenty of food to feed the entire world, it just isnt distributed properly.

The Omnivore's Dilemma -- my food bible. Read it and you'll never look at food in the same way again. Life changing stuff.

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Originally posted by drEamer nothing u could show me would make me stop eating meat....nothing on this earth tastes better than MEAT!!!!!!

you obviously have never eaten a bald vagina.

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Originally posted by R!CH whatever your thoughts on meat eating, i don't see why anyone besides the livestock industry would vote no on this... healthy animals = tasty meat. there's many things i'm willing to skimp on, but food quality isn't one of them. if that means meat will cost a little more in the market place, i still don't see the problem. americans eat way too much meat as it is. high quality animal protein is necessary for healthy development, but overeating meat is part of why we as a nation have so many health problems.

so im done trolling (and also not drunk anymore)


and i would agree with you, caged animals is a deplorable practice. i buy grass fed beef. but, i wonder about the government regulating this market. we (us) can afford to pay more for more quality food, but what about those that cannot? plenty of people that cannot afford a decent meal so they go for the cheap stuff. as much as i wish we could all eat the same high grade beef, that just isn't possible. so what about the less fortunate?

back to the discussion
yummmmmy!




not so yummy


why is it that veggys are so against meat yet they model their own food to look and taste like meat. its perplexing.

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Originally posted by Electrophile I don't know what all the fuss over the term "Illegal Alien" is all about if they are the exact definition of said term. It doesn't specifically target any race. In Souther California the term brings up images of Mexicans, in South Florida it is Cubans and Haitians, in NYC it is a good portion of the blue collar work force made up of just about every nationality. In Southern Mexico it is Salvadorians and Hondurans. You get the point.

Exactly. PC bullshit is just that. Bullshit. Get over yourself if you think that the term illegal alien is racist.

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Originally posted by Mecca82 this country needs illegal workers because if we dont have them who's gonnna work on our farm and restaurants... they're not really taking jobs... i think its fair!

We don't technically need them, as we have many lazy idiots that could easily do the work, but they choose not to. But I don't disagree that some things would be super expensive if we didn't use this labor.

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Originally posted by R!CH whatever your thoughts on meat eating, i don't see why anyone besides the livestock industry would vote no on this... healthy animals = tasty meat. there's many things i'm willing to skimp on, but food quality isn't one of them. if that means meat will cost a little more in the market place, i still don't see the problem. americans eat way too much meat as it is. high quality animal protein is necessary for healthy development, but overeating meat is part of why we as a nation have so many health problems.

I whole heartedly agree. Too much meat and shit food.

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why is it that veggys are so against meat yet they model their own food to look and taste like meat. its perplexing.

Mainly we do it to piss off people like yourself

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 so im done trolling (and also not drunk anymore) and i would agree with you, caged animals is a deplorable practice. i buy grass fed beef. but, i wonder about the government regulating this market. we (us) can afford to pay more for more quality food, but what about those that cannot? plenty of people that cannot afford a decent meal so they go for the cheap stuff. as much as i wish we could all eat the same high grade beef, that just isn't possible. so what about the less fortunate?

drunk ha... i should have figured. i don't think better meat standards are going to price low income families out of being able to eat meat. it might make them cut back to 5 nights a week rather than 7, but the money saved in the long run on health care costs to the taxpayer from fewer instances of heart disease and colon cancer would be well worth it.

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Originally posted by hooj1 why is it that veggys are so against meat yet they model their own food to look and taste like meat. its perplexing.

what perplexes me is how you understand meat eaters don't process and package their store bought food, yet you somehow think vegans do...

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen this statement holds no ground. There is plenty of food to feed the entire world, it just isnt distributed properly.

This is my last post here. This was meant to educate some on Prop 2.
Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. Either way, this thread stayed on the front page with the subject "Vote Yes! on Prop 2" so I would consider it successful

I appreciate your two cents Josh but please break it down for me how my statement holds no ground. My statement is purely factual. Yes, it takes 16 pounds of grain to produce one pound of flesh. Yes, 16 pounds of grain can feed 40 people. Yes, there are 840+ million people on this planet that don't eat well enough.

I don't think you understood my point. The idea stems from the amount of resources it takes to put that steak on your plate. To be more specific; the amount a deforestation, water, grain, antibiotics & hormones, ground water contamination etc...

The amount of methane pollution is a concern as well since there are no regulations on waste management for factory farms. That is a whole other issue of its own though so I'll spare you all the details. The info is out there if you are so inclined or you can PM me.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen this statement holds no ground. There is plenty of food to feed the entire world, it just isnt distributed properly.

josh you do realize that the vast majority of the world lives off grain and vegetables right? only the wealthy countries that you and i love to live and play in have the luxury of meat as a staple of their diet, but just because we're able to live like this doesn't mean this planet would last for a year if everyone else did it.

this drives to the heart of the population problem - that is the overpopulation of this planet by humans. ecologists estimate planet earth has the resources to sustain 2 billion humans in homeostasis. it took 200,000 years for the human population to reach 1 billion and 120 years for the population to double to 2 billion. the next billion took 30 years. in the last 50 years the population has doubled from there. in under 4 years we will be at 7 billion. at this rate by 2050 the world population will be 12 billion. the point of all this is that we don't have the resources to sustain the current population and yet we're still growing at an exponential rate.

we can farm surpluses of cornmeal here to feed africa all we want so that people there can continue to give birth to kids that die starving and diseased, but that's not sustainable or desirable living. that's subsistence misery. that is how we sustain a population of 6.6 billion and growing. now to make the argument that there's enough food for everyone to eat meat.... well the trophic pyramid dictates that only 10% of the energy consumed by livestock is passed to us when we eat them. right now china's appetite for meat clears a pasture the size of delaware every day. in the grand scheme of things, this is not a good use of resources to be promoting.

Twenty million farm animals will soon be free from the cruelest factory farm abuses -- and they have you to thank.


Yesterday, Californians voted YES! on Prop 2 -- securing the single most important piece of legislation for farm animals in U.S. history. Proposition 2 will mandate a higher standard for the treatment of animals raised for food, a measure that is sure to lead to similar reforms nationwide.


You made this victory happen. Whether you donated to keep our TV ads on the air, spent your nights phone banking for Prop 2, hit the pavement with leaflets, or engaged your friends and family in California -- you helped show millions of California voters what Prop 2 would mean for animals and people.


How animals are treated is so important to all of us -- and even more important to the animals suffering every day in factory farms. Together, we fought for the humane treatment of animals, and we won. We have changed the lives of so many animals, and we have made history.

Ummm! MEAT! I like my meat raw.


I love the term "illegal aliens" it usually comes from people who love animals more than other human beings.


Just messing! I haven't touched meat in about 2 months and have lost some fat from my ass. I can't stand to even look at a burger or steak, that pig video doing that Beyonce bounce makes made me vote yes on prop 2.

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Originally posted by JCIZZLE! Just messing! I haven't touched meat in about 2 months and have lost some fat from my ass. I can't stand to even look at a burger or steak, that pig video doing that Beyonce bounce makes made me vote yes on prop 2.

niiiice

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