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It's not your beliefs I'm amazed at. It's the logical reasoning which leads to them. I really wish you'd start understanding my posts and see that.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 I don't want to sink to your level and be a name caller,

right... take the high road, name calling is imature and... oh wait

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 You are a jackass.

Like I said, there really isn't any getting around the name calling with you. You really are a jackass.

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar I didn't say they had no concern for politics, did I? I stated that it was my opinion that they seem less focused than Republicans. One reason I try to stay out of political arguments is the inevitable happening of the opposing opinion trying to put words in my mouth, or acting as if they can't clearly comprehend a statement or concept. As previously stated, I realize that no words, or even hard proof I can provide is going to change anyone's minds. If you guys were going to respect, consider, or agree on anything I had to say, you wouldn't vote democrat. Vice versa goes for me, but I at least try the respect and consideration part, even if I don't agree. I've yet to throw sarcasm, or hint to anyone's lack of intelligence toward politics. The fact that you guys are even subtly indicating that myself, or anyone else is an idiot because of what we believe in, or who we vote for shows YOUR ignorance. ... which I could just say that means ignorant people vote democrat, but then I'd look like the rest of you in this debate

My biggest issue with your opinions is that, to me, your opinions are based more on personal experience than the facts. If you chose to engage in an intellectual debate, you bring facts. I think it will help me understand your point more if you show me you've done your homework before making some galvanizing blanket statements which I've kindly highlighted. I also think it's condescending to repeatedly assume that people who don't share your view will still don't get it in the face of hard proof. I can guarantee you, if you bring hard proof, I will get it.

Scott found it.

I'm sorry, I've yet to see any proof that your argument is valid.

Get out a calculator, compare, do the math. Tell me what you find.

Apparently I'm not the only one concerned with his stance on economy, I see Wall Street is particularly sorry compared to yesterday.

Can we finally reject the hatefully intolerant, obsolete views of the political right; the policies that vilify the disadvantaged and enrich the guilty; the reckless ignorance to repeat the mistakes of the past eight years?

Hell yes we can!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RowDxPcYQUE

Wish that track wasn't so deadmau5ish, but I'm definitely guilty of buying it when it came out. Also, you can download Matt Flores - Now Is The Time for free for a limited time. It's even better than the HMU track.

I find all these "speech" tracks so corny...

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Originally posted by iammesol Wish that track wasn't so deadmau5ish, but I'm definitely guilty of buying it when it came out. Also, you can download Matt Flores - Now Is The Time for free for a limited time. It's even better than the HMU track.

Nice! Thanks for this. I wish I had known about this one while I was out canvassing. I would have added it to my Obama EDM mix, which included songs such as the above HMU track, Above & Beyond's Hope and Miracle, Stanton Warriors' Hope Time, and Astral Projection's Open Society.

... Then again, considering the imminent revival of Jim Martin senatorial campaign, I might still have some opportunities to put that track to good use in my political music playlist. Got any other good suggestions?

I'd like to commission a trance remix of Yes We Can by will.i.am. Did Armin van Buuren endorse Barack Obama? I can only assume he did, as any sane Netherlander would.

... Also, it's nice to see that so many EDM fans voted for progress. It makes sense, since trance, house, and Obama are all especially popular throughout Europe. Another explanation is that the campaign targeted this particular constituency very effectively. :P

DemocraticStuff.com buttons:

lol wow, I never saw those. I did get my shirt from that website though. And hell yes @ the runoff. December 2nd, baby!

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Originally posted by enydo I find all these "speech" tracks so corny...

You seem like you're no fun to hang around with

Are you kidding? Look at that laser cannon.

What's funny is I'm playing the Matt Flores track while mixing right now talking to you on AIM too. lol

You're so lame, no wonder you voted for that commie nigga.

I am a proud citizen of the Socialist Islamic Theocracy of America, led by our great Shah - Allahbama

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Originally posted by Calamar Can we finally reject the hatefully intolerant, obsolete views of the political right; the policies that vilify the disadvantaged and enrich the guilty; the reckless ignorance to repeat the mistakes of the past eight years? Hell yes we can! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RowDxPcYQUE

Aww, not you too. Since I am a part of the political right, I take offense to your remarks. I for one am not hatefully intolerant and do not vilify the disadvantaged. I hope you are just messing around, because you can't honestly believe that. Is it possible for any of you guys to stop the trash talk and respect differing opinions? And by the way, I think these speech tracks are rubbish.

That being said, you are a cool guy, so I hope next time I run into you at a show you will not see me as an ignorant, hateful Republican or something. Same goes for you, Sam, and and anyone else I may meet. I obviously disagree with a lot of the views posted here, but I pretty much expect that. It's tough being a conservative these days. But one thing we all have in common is a love for dance music. A lot of you have pretty bad tastes when it comes to that too, but we will leave that for another day. LOL

One thing that bothers me the most about all this is the fact that people are always talking about how they voted for "change" or "history" or whatever other words they used to describe it. I see very few talking about the actual issues they voted for and I wonder if many of them really don't know much about the issues. This election turned into more of a popularity contest and that just really bothers me. I mean, most of you haven't even said why you think Obama would be a good President. You've spent the whole time trying to attack me and whoever else supported McCain. I'm honestly not surprised though. Democrats use this tactic all the time.

I think you guys have earned this:

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Originally posted by Calamar Nice! Thanks for this. I wish I had known about this one while I was out canvassing. I would have added it to my Obama EDM mix, which included songs such as the above HMU track, Above & Beyond's Hope and Miracle, Stanton Warriors' Hope Time, and Astral Projection's Open Society. ... Then again, considering the imminent revival of Jim Martin senatorial campaign, I might still have some opportunities to put that track to good use in my political music playlist. Got any other good suggestions? I'd like to commission a trance remix of Yes We Can by will.i.am. Did Armin van Buuren endorse Barack Obama? I can only assume he did, as any sane Netherlander would.

Which precinct did you canvas for? I was out there in 01S working for team 50-51, Johns Creek.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous Which precinct did you canvas for? I was out there in 01S working for team 50-51, Johns Creek.

Awesome -- maybe I saw you at the North Fulton office, in that case? I'm also a member of the North Fulton group and GA-400 for Obama, and I've been working with Amie, organizer for the Johns Creek teams, for months. To answer your question, I managed the Sandy Springs teams at staging area D (West Lake) and canvassed 03A1, 03C, 03H, and 04D.

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Originally posted by Calamar Awesome -- maybe I saw you at the North Fulton office, in that case? I'm also a member of the North Fulton group and GA-400 for Obama, and I've been working with Amie, organizer for the Johns Creek teams, for months. To answer your question, I managed the Sandy Springs teams at staging area D (West Lake) and canvassed 03A1, 03C, 03H, and 04D.

YAH!!!! I was wondering if that was you!!! I was the Comfort Captain for Johns Creek 50/51 and Team K on election day.

Did you ever go to meetings in Country Club of the South to Jane's House?? We went to a few of those there.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 One thing that bothers me the most about all this is the fact that people are always talking about how they voted for "change" or "history" or whatever other words they used to describe it. I see very few talking about the actual issues they voted for and I wonder if many of them really don't know much about the issues. This election turned into more of a popularity contest and that just really bothers me. I mean, most of you haven't even said why you think Obama would be a good President. You've spent the whole time trying to attack me and whoever else supported McCain. I'm honestly not surprised though. Democrats use this tactic all the time.

Bro, we're not "haters" or in my case even democrats. If you wanted my views all you had to do was ask for them.



Issues
Tax Plan
Cut taxes in a progressive form, granting the most money at the bottom and the least at the top. Also raise taxes for those earning around $600,000 a year.




I agree with this because I've read that to get out of a recession, you cut taxes to generate spending. In essence, that money that would go to the government ends up in the economy. The raise in taxes is a good thing because that top 1% of the US ends up paying about 39.9% of the government's tax income. Because those people can afford to continue paying money, it makes sense for the country.

I've seen this argued as socialist, and "an unfair redistribution of wealth". First of all, any taxes are a redistribution of wealth. Second of all, because Bush's plan years ago was to cut everyone's taxes remarkably; we're only seeing the upper class pushed back to an equilibrium that was then disrupted. Taxes are necessary, and to be honest - I really wouldn't mind paying more if it would help our country get back on its monetary feet. Money is important to all of us, but I can't think going to see Deadmau5 is more important than keeping this country out of a recession.

All of that is why I was for Obama's, and I'll go ahead and include why I opposed McCain's. He had the same progressive form of tax plan going, but it was in the complete opposite direction. As you can see in the image above, people with more money got a bigger percentage tax break, whereas people with less got a lower percentage tax break. I can understand if there was a lower total for the lower people, but lower percentage? The average US citizen got a $300 break, instead of Obama's $1000+ break. In contrast, the top 1% gets around a 4% decrease, which takes a huge chunk out of that tax income the government receives. Aside from cut government spending (and getting less stuff done due to that), McCain's tax plan looked to drive the country into a bigger recession.




Abortion
Let's get this out of the way since I know Zack doesn't support it, and I'm sort of wasting my fingers' time here. I support legal abortions in cases rape/incest/failed birth control that take place inside proper abortion clinics. The baby is in fact the mother's responsibility, and it's up to her what she decides to do with it.

A lot of people bring up the fact that it is murder, which is a ten commandments sin. Is this country based from the bible, or the constitution? If you're a Christian, don't have abortions. If you're not, I don't see why you should be stopped from preventing an unborn child from becoming a full blown child. This is mostly a moral matter without factual information to back your choice, so I'll quit wasting time.




Foreign Policy
I will immediately concede that McCain has much more experience simply because he has more years in the senate under his belt, and has traveled more due to that. However, when Obama wants to pull out of Iraq asap (I was shown an amazing presentation my sophomore year in high school on why it was absolutely insane to try to establish a democracy there. I'll show/tell you if anyone would like.), and wants to recoup the respect of the USA by other countries - rather than have priorities such as removing Russia from the Group of Eight, I trust more in Barack's judgment.

I'm also reading a book for a history class called "All The Shah's Men - The Folly of Attacking Iran" that completely spells out how imbecilic it would be to even imagine the continuation of what we have done in Iraq to Iran.( Again, if you would like to hear, I'll share.) McCain has been very clear that he has no qualms about continuing the war in Iraq and even spreading it further to Iran.

The rest of the world has been ecstatic about Obama's victory, with parties similar to the one I had but in countries like China, Sweden, and France. The rest of the world respects Barack, and with that respect we could repair a lot of our broken ties.


Energy
The candidates' energy plans were extremely similar this year, and it made me laugh watching them debate about them. Both wanted more nuclear plants, more clean energy, and a step towards futuristic energy (stepping away from oil). The only inherent difference was McCain/Palin's offshore drilling views. Barack succumbed to those views in the final weeks before the election, and I really wish he wouldn't have.

The oil we have in the US (including untapped areas) is about 1% of the world's oil. We use about 25% of the world's oil. Even after we get more oil from offshore drilling, it would take about 10 years to see that oil in the US. Why wait ten years for an extra drop in the bucket?




Endorsements
Barack was endorsed by an uncountable number of people I respect. These include but are not limited to Colin Powell (a registered republican), retired Brigadier General John Adams, the CEO of google Eric Schmidt (who I'm sure makes much much much more than $250,000 a year), Warren Buffett (richest man in the world), and Paul Krugman (winner of the nobel prize of economics this year).

These people obviously know more about their respected issues than I do, and look up to them for their knowledge and insight.

Yeah, so, we got "change". Now instead of the black vs. white thing, we have a democrats vs. republicans thing. It's still a prejudice. Where the Hell is the change?

By the way, it's Thursday... this is like those losers who will argue the outcome of a football game for a week. It's not gonna change anything. Just RESPECT each others views and move on... we can't go forward to benefit the country if we're still stuck arguing about something that happened two days ago.

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar I'm sorry, I've yet to see any proof that your argument is valid. Get out a calculator, compare, do the math. Tell me what you find. Apparently I'm not the only one concerned with his stance on economy, I see Wall Street is particularly sorry compared to yesterday.

Since you sound interested in knowing the details, here are two links for you.

Easier read:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03...ness/supply.php


Tougher read:

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The supply-side economic policy of cutting high marginal tax rates, therefore, should be viewed as a long-run strategy to enhance growth rather than a short-run tool to end recession.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/...eEconomics.html

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