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I also think it's dumb that kers doesn't regenerate any time you apply the brakes or whatever your mechanism for charging it is. Why only so much juice per lap?

that's taking your cutting edge tech and putting a lid on it.

Why not reward teams that make the most efficient system for charging and discharging by allowing them a bottomless pit of bonus power?

If they just wanted a fixed time of extra power per lap, it would have been cheaper and easier to have the rev limit raised as your push to pass since everyone seems to be using it only on the straights at the top of 5th 6th or 7th gear.

Holy shit!

Great (and surprising) finish. Not really something you expect to see in the first race of the season for several reasons.

Fantastic race.
Brawn seem catchable , I'm sorry for Robert as he could've caught Button and Vettel, he drove a great race too.
Hamilton, a stand out performance.
Buemi good debut.

Strange to see the softs go off so much: Rosberg lost like 3 places in 1 lap

The soft tyres were fucking useless and a hazard given how fast the cars behind could catch the ones in front.

The "must use both compounds" isn't racing, it's a self-imposed handicap, and for what? Why?

Fuck, up until the late 80s cars ran the whole race on one fucking set of tires and one tank of fuel, with way more powerful cars.

The Kubica / Vettel wreck was a simple racing incident between two guys who forgot it was the first race of the season. Kubica could have easily waited a lap or two and grabbed the position in a better spot on track, and Vettel could have accepted his fate of being passed and not run out quite as wide. They were racing as though the championship depended on it.

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Originally posted by pmoisse . Kubica could have easily waited a lap or two and grabbed the position in a better spot on track, and Vettel could have accepted his fate of being passed and not run out quite as wide. They were racing as though the championship depended on it.

about that... he couldn't wait, as he had a realistic chance of catching Button.

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They were racing as though the championship depended on it.

looking at the closeness of the field, and the way last championships have panned out, it might just have depended on it.
Its what the fans want; racing and overtaking, can't blame them for trying.

^ Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on both points.

However, given Kubica's pace compared to Button, he could have waited until a less crowded corner or more of a sweeper where it wouldn't be a braking duel in order to pass and still he had plenty of laps (and loads of pace - fuck was he ever flying at the end!!!) to catch Button. Button would have been using up those shitty soft tyres even faster under normal lapping too.

Ultimately it's a long season, so in hindsight, they lost more overall than either stood to gain by actually fighting that position.

I want to see quality fights for position, b ut I stand by my original point in saying that this was a clumsy, first race of the season error and I feel the blame for the error should be on both drivers.

I don't expect either Kubica or Vetter to make a similar error this season. They are both far too good for that. I think this was first race jitters.

agree to disagree then

ok race, sucks for both kubica and button, they had the chance of socring points :/

^ I think Button scored 10 points

did you even see the race ?

Driver of the race is Lewis Hamilton by far. That Mclaren belongs on the back of the grid, yet he drove it to 3rd position. When Mclaren fix their car, Jenson and Rubens will have a big problem, cause Lewis doesn't need the best car to win like he demonstrated last year against the Ferrari's.

^ Hamilton had a quality race agreed. Unfortunately its only cause of the safety cars that he ended up on the podium.
I expect Mclaren to struggle in the next race, which should be less eventful.

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Originally posted by stren ^ I think Button scored 10 points did you even see the race ?

sorry, ya kubica and that redbull... you know what im talking about :P

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wtf



Mclaren got disqualified from the Australian GP



:/

Hamilton lied to the stewards about the team telling him to allow Trulli past under the safety car. He could have taken the gift of 4th place courtesy of Kubica and Vettel going out, but he got greedy and wanted one more.

Instead he gets DFL lol

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Originally posted by pmoisse lol

its like beating someone while he's down

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Originally posted by pmoisse I also think it's dumb that kers doesn't regenerate any time you apply the brakes or whatever your mechanism for charging it is. Why only so much juice per lap? that's taking your cutting edge tech and putting a lid on it. Why not reward teams that make the most efficient system for charging and discharging by allowing them a bottomless pit of bonus power? If they just wanted a fixed time of extra power per lap, it would have been cheaper and easier to have the rev limit raised as your push to pass since everyone seems to be using it only on the straights at the top of 5th 6th or 7th gear.

If they were allowed to use the KERS system the entire lap, then they would effictively just have 80bhp more then entire time. You can harness so much energy during breaking, that they would have no problem keeping that system topped up. I think it is a valid compromise.

Now the soft tyre rule is just idiotic and dangerous. FIA, and Bernie need to get their head's checked.

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Originally posted by Orko If they were allowed to use the KERS system the entire lap, then they would effictively just have 80bhp more then entire time. You can harness so much energy during breaking, that they would have no problem keeping that system topped up. I think it is a valid compromise. Now the soft tyre rule is just idiotic and dangerous. FIA, and Bernie need to get their head's checked.

Wouldn't that be more incentive to develpo a good system though? Why limit your tech? Why only go halfway with it?

hell, even if you only put a 10 second discharge time on it, at least aloow it to regenerate back to full at the next braking zone.

And yes, the tyre rule is all kinds of stupid. It's not racing. It's forced strategy.

It wasn't until the late 80's that regular tire changes became really regular, why can't they run a full race on two sets of tires now?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/04/03...lton/index.html


pathetic.

LOL He gets zero sympathy from me. He made the choice whether to tell the bullshit story like the team manager asked him to, or whether to man-up and be a professional about it.

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Originally posted by pmoisse It wasn't until the late 80's that regular tire changes became really regular, why can't they run a full race on two sets of tires now?

I think it had to do with the crazy resources they threw at cars in the 90s, with the take no prisoners strategies. Going back to the 12 lap quali, where they would go through 3-4 sets of tires for quali alone! They used to be able to run 8 sets, 32 tires, for a weekend, regardless of which ones the tire maker wanted them to use. I think they don't want to go back to those 'low' grip levels.

I am only now catching up on the 80's races. I have about 60% of the races from the 80's . So I cannot fully comment on how they used to race.

Good call on watching the 80's races! Where did you find them? Torrents? ESPN Classic over here has a great series called Formula 1 Retro where they showed highlights of all the seasons of the 70's. Fantastic to watch - back when racing was still racing (instead of business).

It wasn't until the end of the turbo cars that they brought back refueling too (I think).

Man, i wanted brawn to do good becaues they where new... but i allready hate them.



fucking shit....!!!!

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Originally posted by pmoisse Good call on watching the 80's races! Where did you find them? Torrents? ESPN Classic over here has a great series called Formula 1 Retro where they showed highlights of all the seasons of the 70's. Fantastic to watch - back when racing was still racing (instead of business). It wasn't until the end of the turbo cars that they brought back refueling too (I think).

http://www.racing-underground.com/

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Originally posted by Orko http://www.racing-underground.com/

Thanks for the link!!

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