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Posted by kitphillips on Jan-22-2009 06:51:

Theres still an awful lot of good dance music out there, its certainly not dead.

Trance is certainly in a bad way for various reasons, but deep house is going very well, as is techno (although this won't last). The nature of music is that something is underground, slowly emerges into pop music and the dies away. By the time its emerging into pop music the scene is dead and bereft of creativity, but it can take 3-5 years for that to happen. Trance died off in 2004-5.


Posted by Raphie on Jan-22-2009 09:19:

Again true, but i find the more interesting artists classify themselves as "Electronica" rather than Trance or Tech house or any other fashion stream. And yes there is still quality stuff being made, I am often impressed with the tracks posted here. It's just that i now get bored with "that" sound (the typical clinical Fruity ITB Vengeange, Izotope or T-Racks home mastered sound) It totally lacks the liquid organic/warm sound of outboard OR well mastered productions.... the random arifacts of a 909, the fluctuating oscs and creamy filters of a MOOG. There are well produced exceptions. but on lots of tracks.........


Posted by DJMiakoda on Jan-22-2009 09:57:

This forum cracks me up with the holier than thou snotty attitudes, so many know it alls, so little time.

Bitching about genres, sub genres, who uses samples and who doesn't, what classifies as a good song and what doesn't.

I will never EVER post a sample of my work here, no way in hell...too many people act like they are the know all, end all of music writing here, as if there was a specific way to do everything musically related in the first place.

I've been a member here for a number of years and I can honestly say I've never seen a bigger bunch of self infatuated individuals than I have here.

This place amazes me, it truly amazes me.

That's what annoys me.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-22-2009 10:09:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMiakoda
This forum cracks me up with the holier than thou snotty attitudes, so many know it alls, so little time.

Bitching about genres, sub genres, who uses samples and who doesn't, what classifies as a good song and what doesn't.

I will never EVER post a sample of my work here, no way in hell...too many people act like they are the know all, end all of music writing here, as if there was a specific way to do everything musically related in the first place.

I've been a member here for a number of years and I can honestly say I've never seen a bigger bunch of self infatuated individuals than I have here.

This place amazes me, it truly amazes me.

That's what annoys me.

Hitting a bit too close to home, eh?


Posted by daveth on Jan-22-2009 10:10:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMiakoda
This forum cracks me up with the holier than thou snotty attitudes, so many know it alls, so little time.

Bitching about genres, sub genres, who uses samples and who doesn't, what classifies as a good song and what doesn't.

I will never EVER post a sample of my work here, no way in hell...too many people act like they are the know all, end all of music writing here, as if there was a specific way to do everything musically related in the first place.

I've been a member here for a number of years and I can honestly say I've never seen a bigger bunch of self infatuated individuals than I have here.

This place amazes me, it truly amazes me.

That's what annoys me.
QFT.

Don't have to look far (on this page) to find some good examples.


Posted by Raphie on Jan-22-2009 10:12:

opinions are like assholes, above were just mine (as the topic title asked)

pushing someone in the "know it all" corner is easy.
don't confuse my (lack of) skills with what i like, or what i don't like. Your taste might be totally different. Hence there is so much music out there.

my perspective is as much from a "listener" as a "producer" point of view. If we can't discuss taste and prefence anymore then what's the use of a forum. Even if you've never picked up a brush yourself, you can still appreciate a van Gogh....... the same with music......


Posted by DJMiakoda on Jan-22-2009 10:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Hitting a bit too close to home, eh?


whatever you want to believe man, I create music for the love of music, not to be some message forum know it all.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-22-2009 10:14:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMiakoda
whatever you want to believe man, I create music for the love of music, not to be some message forum know it all.

And yet here you are...


Posted by DJMiakoda on Jan-22-2009 10:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
And yet here you are...


yep, here I am, I read this site periodically to pick up tips and tricks, maybe someone has some helpful insight. But I have always been blown away with the attitude here. I just felt compelled to say something today.

Deal with it.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-22-2009 10:21:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMiakoda
yep, here I am, I read this site periodically to pick up tips and tricks, maybe someone has some helpful insight. But I have always been blown away with the attitude here. I just felt compelled to say something today.

Deal with it.

I just found it funny how you used the exact same holier-than-thou attitude, you just turned it around back on the people who post(ed) here.

Ehh, as long as you're happy.


Posted by DJMiakoda on Jan-22-2009 10:23:

what's sad is a good lot of you people here are decent producers, too bad so many of you let it go to your head and get defensive when someone doesn't know what you know.


Posted by DJMiakoda on Jan-22-2009 10:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I just found it funny how you used the exact same holier-than-thou attitude, you just turned it around back on the people who post(ed) here.

Ehh, as long as you're happy.


Trust me when I say I'm far from being holier than thou or a know it all, but I know an over inflated ego when I see one, and there's plenty to be seen here.

Hence the reason I will never come here to ask opinions on my music.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-22-2009 10:29:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMiakoda
Trust me when I say I'm far from being holier than thou or a know it all, but I know an over inflated ego when I see one, and there's plenty to be seen here.

Hence the reason I will never come here to ask opinions on my music.

Just as I originally suspected, then.


Posted by DJMiakoda on Jan-22-2009 10:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Just as I originally suspected, then.


Right, but than aren't you always?


Posted by Raphie on Jan-22-2009 10:32:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMiakoda
what's sad is a good lot of you people here are decent producers, too bad so many of you let it go to your head and get defensive when someone doesn't know what you know.


But then again, what's there to know?!?

There are only 3 things i know:
1. I am trying to translate songs from my head into tracks and it's damn hard work (i am not there yet)
2. I hear stuff which i admire and i like to learn from
3. I hear stuff which i don't like and i am blunt enough to share my opinion when asked.....

If you either feel offended by that, or feel that those comments are addressed to you, then your 1,2,3 are not alligned to my 1,2,3... that's not neccecarily a conflict, just a difference of opinion. There is no truth, only (acquired)taste...


Posted by DJMiakoda on Jan-22-2009 10:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
But then again, what's there to know?!?

There are only 3 things i know:
1. I am trying to translate songs from my head into tracks and it's damn hard work (i am not there yet)
2. I hear stuff which i admire and i like to learn from
3. I hear stuff which i don't like and i am blunt enough to share my opinion when asked.....

If you get either feel offended by that, or feel that those comments are addressed to you, then your 1,2,3 are not alligned to my 1,2,3... that's not neccecarily a conflict, just a difference of opinion. There is no truth, only (acquired)taste...


And I the same, I have spent countless hours trying to translate what I hear in my head into listenable tracks, I can truly appreciate the effort.
I love the music therefore I want to be a part of it.

What I don't get is the people here who think they know everything there is to know about writing and creating music and they spend so much of their time shooting down people who are trying to do the same almost as if people who want to get into writing music are a threat to them.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-22-2009 10:38:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMiakoda
Right, but than aren't you always?

Now now, no need for that attitude.


Posted by DJMiakoda on Jan-22-2009 10:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Now now, no need for that attitude.


You're so full of yourself, it's honestly laughable.


Posted by Raphie on Jan-22-2009 10:53:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMiakoda
What I don't get is the people here who think they know everything there is to know about writing and creating music and they spend so much of their time shooting down people who are trying to do the same almost as if people who want to get into writing music are a threat to them.
LOL, that's another perspective taste <> competition.....

You know, I do enjoy learning about "the game" (as they call it in Hip Hop i believe) or "scene" as the music theory and creation proces itself. It's funny to see how people are "protective" or appear very "altruistic" while giving nothing to the community.
I find the social aspects VERY interesting

I very much respect the PROducers (the guys who's tracks give me goosebumps and still are willing to share how they got there) opposed to the proDUCERS who pooh average tracks, but act like the're dr. Dr�


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-22-2009 10:55:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMiakoda
You're so full of yourself, it's honestly laughable.

Would you care to explain why you think so?


Posted by Lucidity on Jan-22-2009 13:18:

What annoys me is when people say "dance music is dead".

I believe it is far from dead, where I am from, people just don't hear it. Where I live there has never been a dance or trance radio station, only shitty ass rock and hip hop, that when I turn it on, I wanna gag. I wish around here, "dance, electronica, trance, whatever" was being pushed harder into peoples ears, it might become more mainstream and end up dead, who knows, but, thing is, whenever I show any friend some of the music I listen to, they love it, and wanna know where I get it from but yet, nobody, as in dj's plays it around here. ----i'm in the States (Pennsylvania). The only place around here to go and hear my kind of music, is the big cities, like Philly and New York, and DC, other than that, most normal people around me never heard it and those people who have, usually love it.


Posted by Stef on Jan-22-2009 13:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
And yet here you are...


Posted by Stef on Jan-22-2009 13:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Lucidity
What annoys me is when people say "dance music is dead".

I believe it is far from dead, where I am from, people just don't hear it. Where I live there has never been a dance or trance radio station, only shitty ass rock and hip hop, that when I turn it on, I wanna gag. I wish around here, "dance, electronica, trance, whatever" was being pushed harder into peoples ears, it might become more mainstream and end up dead, who knows, but, thing is, whenever I show any friend some of the music I listen to, they love it, and wanna know where I get it from but yet, nobody, as in dj's plays it around here. ----i'm in the States (Pennsylvania). The only place around here to go and hear my kind of music, is the big cities, like Philly and New York, and DC, other than that, most normal people around me never heard it and those people who have, usually love it.


I know exactly how you feel, one would think just because i live in the most cosmopolitan and one of the most open minded cities that trance here would actually be all around, though i only hear it at 2am in the morning on some pirate radio station. And then again its not even trance its just run of the mill minimal and electro.

I personally feel dance music died when cdjs became popular. Just my honest opinion.
Check out this video and you will get what i mean. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1...e-mayday_events


Posted by kitphillips on Jan-22-2009 13:39:

What annoys me: People screwing up my slightly dry, very light hearted thread with posts like "dance music is dead", or "I hate this forum". Incidentally miakoda, please provide examples of what you were talking about??? Because I can't see any of the sort of arrogance you were referring to.

Seriously guys

PS
Sucks for you guys that live in redneck towns in the US, I really feel for ya Dance music is a city thing though, its not like blues or country music which comes from rural areas, so I don't know if theres a solution for it...


Posted by Lucidity on Jan-22-2009 14:12:

Well the thing is, I do live in a city but, the only problem is it is infested with hip hop. I have not much against hip hop, I like some of it but, the fact is, trance is just not played. I show people and they love it but, nowhere around is playing it or if they are, people are not hearing about it. Its, like it is underground in my area, when in fact I have loved trance music for a long time and know that worldwide it is not underground, its just no one around here knows it. America these days don't hear about things like this from the outside world except what the news shows, and thats for sure not trance music. Its the failed policies of Bush. <----but, thats a whole new topic. I hope that things will change and people around here will be more open to the outside world, cause I for one love it. Thats why I'm addicted to the net, and this forum, because I do see the outside world but, everyone else that I know, is in their hunky dory American life. I wish to go to Amsterdam or Rotterdam and go to some real events but, I can't leave my family behind.... So I sit here trying to make trance music that hopefully other like minded people will like.


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