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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Frankly, who cares? If they get them, then so what? They wont use them ever. They would be insane to do that, because the two countries they threaten with them are both nuclear armed and would have no qualms wiping them off the face of the earth.

are you familiar with the 12th Imam?

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Originally posted by Q5echo are you familiar with the 12th Imam?

Tell me the worst that could happen?

What they nuke some sort of interest in our part of the middle east? We wipe them off the planet.

They attack Israel? Israel wipes them off the planet.

Iran is run by men, and smart men or men with power want to stay alive. They wont jeopardize a good thing. They are not stupid. Hiding behind Islam is just to appease the stupid masses that are gullible enough to believe religious tripe.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Iran is not suited for nuclear power plants. They are building ONE nuclear plant, let me repeat that - ONE - which will not generate enough energy for its population if they want to get off oil. Also, nuclear power plants are very expensive to build, and arent cheap to operate and maintain. They have already been falling behind on several occasions in payments to the Russian company building it! Seismic activity is a big threat with most of Iran is under some level of earthquake threat - they are putting at risk people and environment.

Iran is not suited for nuclear power plants? Says who? You? Iran apparently has decided they are suitable for nuclear power. No shit, only 1 nuclear power plant can't power the whole country. That isn't a reason not to build them!

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For a country that has yet to reach its full oil potential, going to nuclear power is very odd. Strangely enough, a normal country in this situation would go on a campaign portraying the evils of CO2 emissions and risk of shortage of fossil fuels, but for Iran its none of that. They magically just decided that nuclear power will be their ultimate solution. And considering the evils of their government/leadership, its is naive to believe that this is being done for good intentions, nor that it is their true or final intention.

How is it odd? What is odd about limiting domestic use of the primary resource for export when there is a finite amount, of which the economy relies overwhelmingly on?

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Even an idiot knows that a country which has some of the world's abundant oil AND gas (not just oil) supplies - ranked in top 5 - and wants nuclear technology for fuel is not doing it because it is worried about running out of resources. It has bigger problems than that to deal with.

Peak oil. SURPRISE!

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It doesnt even have appropriate infrastructure to provide energy for all of its population! Iran spends billions on importing GASOLINE, yes thats right, GASOLINE (refined from oil) because their own infrastructure is so bad. Its embarassing. Though Iran has announced it is going to decrease the import of gasoline, but its very embarassing.

How is this a justification for them not to build a power plant? Frankly, it's not.

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And instead they prioritize on a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT? Give me a break. This is a POLITICAL move, a precedent for NUCLEAR POWER. Iran is feeling bold - carte blanche was granted to them when the regime of Saddam Hussein (their arch enemy) was pulled down by Americans.

Riiiight. Every country except Iran is allowed to build a nuclear power plant. Reason? According to Mag, Iran is too shitty for a nuclear power plant. Am I right?

It might come as a shocker to you, and its not my style, but I'm fed up with Iran. I am now decided - I strongly oppose Iranian plans for nuclear power plants. Until they start declining their fossil fuel supplies - then we'll be talking. I'll go as far as supporting possible Israeli attack to wipe out the nuclear plant.

Yes, I think I'm becoming more of a conservative lately with all this radical Islamic threat I have to side with the lesser of the two evils. Watching this Hezbollah and Hamas b-s is enough for me. I'm telling you - if Iran/Syria pulls the plug to these organizations, peace and prosperity will then be within a walking distance. Then Hamas can become a political organization with a human face. Enough of them brainwashing their children into Jihad. An arm of this lovely Iran.

I've realized that the 21st century will be a conflict between radical Islam and us. When things in Iran normalize, perhaps somewhat like Turkey or Egypt, I wont see it as a problem for them to build the dam nuclear plant.

Yes, it may appear that I'm siding with the American imperialism here. Not quite. But I've met enough Ahmadinejad lovers and Jihad sympathizers here in Canada recently to realize the seriousness of the situation. The Islamic pressure on our way of life, on our beliefs and freedom of speech, and their numbers are growing exponentially while we complain about having 1 friggin child.

I will not respect these fundamentalists until they start respecting us, the common Western people. I see Iran as a huge threat, in the long run. Iran is a sleeping giant, capable of stirring some serious shit in the future.

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Originally posted by ******** There isn't even mention of needing to pay to run in Iran. That is a better standard.. I'd rather be quized on morals and my legal beleifs than buying a chance for a seat. Iran scores higher than canada imo.

even if these are racist, homophobic, and misoginistic morals in which you don't have any choice but to adhere to?

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Plus with Iran funding lebanon and gaza.. why would they want to kill all their arab and lebanese friends

Iran is not above the game of sticks and carrots. they aim to provoke Israel, and are well aware that they are no match for Israel's might in its proxy wars. A confrontation that causes an improportional response by Israel is a win for them, and all those who died will be sent to heaven under the very moral code you were willing to trade the current canadian system for.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi even if these are racist, homophobic, and misoginistic morals in which you don't have any choice but to adhere to?

You pussy I would fuck the racist around hard. I have that choice.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi Iran is not above the game of sticks and carrots. they aim to provoke Israel, and are well aware that they are no match for Israel's might in its proxy wars. A confrontation that causes an improportional response by Israel is a win for them, and all those who died will be sent to heaven under the very moral code you were willing to trade the current canadian system for.

Fucktard Iran will fuck Israel twice doggy style if Isareil had no US hand to save its hole in ass part.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium It might come as a shocker to you, and its not my style, but I'm fed up with Iran. I am now decided - I strongly oppose Iranian plans for nuclear power plants. Until they start declining their fossil fuel supplies - then we'll be talking. I'll go as far as supporting possible Israeli attack to wipe out the nuclear plant.

What will the Israeli strike achieve exactly? if anything it would make the Iranians wanting to have nukes even more to prevent them from future attacks from U.S and Israel.

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Yes, I think I'm becoming more of a conservative lately with all this radical Islamic threat I have to side with the lesser of the two evils.

Which threats are you talking about?

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Watching this Hezbollah and Hamas b-s is enough for me. I'm telling you - if Iran/Syria pulls the plug to these organizations, peace and prosperity will then be within a walking distance. Then Hamas can become a political organization with a human face. Enough of them brainwashing their children into Jihad. An arm of this lovely Iran.

hehe it feels a bit strange hearing things like this from you I got to admit.

If Israel starts treating the Palestinian people like humans and not like a bunch of dogs,then you might perhaps begin to see some progress towards peace, but untill that you will continue to see groups like Hamas and Hezbullah doing what they do to gain support from the people and more influence in the region.

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I've realized that the 21st century will be a conflict between radical Islam and us. When things in Iran normalize, perhaps somewhat like Turkey or Egypt, I wont see it as a problem for them to build the dam nuclear plant.

What makes you think things in Iran arent "normal"? and why do they have to become like Turkey and Egypt AKA the puppets of the Americans? cant we accept them for who they are and dont push them to the corner all the time?

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Yes, it may appear that I'm siding with the American imperialism here. Not quite. But I've met enough Ahmadinejad lovers and Jihad sympathizers here in Canada recently to realize the seriousness of the situation. The Islamic pressure on our way of life, on our beliefs and freedom of speech, and their numbers are growing exponentially while we complain about having 1 friggin child.

Oh come one now, I think you are being a bit too paranoid here. I live in the same country as you and see the same people around me and I havent come across what you just describe and believe you me Iam the more anti-religious person you ll ever meet.

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I will not respect these fundamentalists until they start respecting us, the common Western people. I see Iran as a huge threat, in the long run. Iran is a sleeping giant, capable of stirring some serious shit in the future.

Fundamentalism exist everwhere and you know that but as you know yourself the west loooooooooooves to pick on Islam out of the rest.

We ourselves are making a beast out of Iran for nothing really. Iran isnt the one you should worry about. I would be more worried about the North Korea situation right now. Shit could hit the fan over there badly.

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Originally posted by Kinezi Fucktard Iran will fuck Israel twice doggy style if Isareil had no US hand to save its hole in ass part.

That I have to agree with. Hopefuly this this new administration will cut off alot of those funds that goes to Israel. ( I highly highly doubt that however)

Iran having nuclear weapons would bring a balance back to Earth, and would remove the influence that the otherwise failed U.S.A. has on the world, which comes solely from having nuclear weapons.

But anyone who thinks Iran is really building nuclear weapons is just a victim of propaganda.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer That I have to agree with. Hopefuly this this new administration will cut off alot of those funds that goes to Israel. ( I highly highly doubt that however)

Seeing that most western and eastern estimates put the Israeli stockpile of missile deliverable nuclear warheads at a number thats MORE than China... (200+ something)

Iran would be fucked six ways from Sunday if it tried anything with Israel, US help or not. Thats a cold hard fact, no bias, no bull.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer What will the Israeli strike achieve exactly? if anything it would make the Iranians wanting to have nukes even more to prevent them from future attacks from U.S and Israel. Which threats are you talking about? hehe it feels a bit strange hearing things like this from you I got to admit. If Israel starts treating the Palestinian people like humans and not like a bunch of dogs,then you might perhaps begin to see some progress towards peace, but untill that you will continue to see groups like Hamas and Hezbullah doing what they do to gain support from the people and more influence in the region. What makes you think things in Iran arent "normal"? and why do they have to become like Turkey and Egypt AKA the puppets of the Americans? cant we accept them for who they are and dont push them to the corner all the time? Oh come one now, I think you are being a bit too paranoid here. I live in the same country as you and see the same people around me and I havent come across what you just describe and believe you me Iam the more anti-religious person you ll ever meet. Fundamentalism exist everwhere and you know that but as you know yourself the west loooooooooooves to pick on Islam out of the rest. We ourselves are making a beast out of Iran for nothing really. Iran isnt the one you should worry about. I would be more worried about the North Korea situation right now. Shit could hit the fan over there badly.

Yes, I've been really questioning many political developments lately, on ALL sides. I've blamed the Russians, Americans, Iranians, Israelis, Palestinians at some point for something. First time I blame all the sides. Usually I take some side to direct a point.

I just dont see the benefit for us if Iran implements this technology, nothing but a possible threat in some aspect. You see, Israel has nothing to threaten to Canada, USA or even Russia. Jewish religion is very benign, you dont see them exploding in numbers and expanding and displacing Christians and threatening our culture and freedom of speech. However, I dont see the same for Iran and fundamentalists. I hope you understand the point.

I am looking at the bigger picture, and see nothing but a threat to our way of life directed by those fundamentalists. You know as well as I do what Iranian children are being taught by their fundamentalist parents about us, the Western people and culture.

20th century was a conflict between capitalism and communism, and 21st century will be a battle between (fundamentalist) Islam and the Western way of life.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium It might come as a shocker to you, and its not my style, but I'm fed up with Iran. I am now decided - I strongly oppose Iranian plans for nuclear power plants. Until they start declining their fossil fuel supplies - then we'll be talking. I'll go as far as supporting possible Israeli attack to wipe out the nuclear plant.

It's not about declining fossil fuels. It's about maintaining a certain level of export without stifling domestic energy consumption. They would rather sell their oil than use it. It's not that hard to understand.

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with all this radical Islamic threat I have to side with the lesser of the two evils. Watching this Hezbollah and Hamas b-s is enough for me. I'm telling you - if Iran/Syria pulls the plug to these organizations, peace and prosperity will then be within a walking distance. Then Hamas can become a political organization with a human face. Enough of them brainwashing their children into Jihad. An arm of this lovely Iran.

Hezbollah and Hamas are the offspring of real problems which have not been addressed, but with which, they are serve their purpose by addressing. Namely, defending the Palestinians from Israeli occupation, and, defending the Shiites of Lebanon. Iran and Syria simply play the role with which America plays for Israel. No, there will not be peace/prosperity if "Iran/Syria pulls the plug". Why? Because the underlying problems which are the basis of Hezbollah/Hamas are still there.

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I've realized that the 21st century will be a conflict between radical Islam and us. When things in Iran normalize, perhaps somewhat like Turkey or Egypt, I wont see it as a problem for them to build the dam nuclear plant.

You know, we'v been feeding radical Islam for what. 100 years? With numerous invasions, occupations, mandates, and resource takeovers. You think Muslims just woke up one day and decided they hated America? LOL...Look at Iraq and Afghanistan. It is us who are in their lands, killing far more people than all of the Islamic terrorists could do combined. Not the other way around...

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Yes, it may appear that I'm siding with the American imperialism here. Not quite. But I've met enough Ahmadinejad lovers and Jihad sympathizers here in Canada recently to realize the seriousness of the situation. The Islamic pressure on our way of life, on our beliefs and freedom of speech, and their numbers are growing exponentially while we complain about having 1 friggin child.

I think anyone would be against forced conversion to any religion. But it is a delusion to believe these people are actually going to come to Canada, somehow take over the government and turn Canada into an Islamic Caliphate. You'r not that paranoid are you? If you are, someone's pulling your chain..

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I will not respect these fundamentalists until they start respecting us, the common Western people. I see Iran as a huge threat, in the long run. Iran is a sleeping giant, capable of stirring some serious shit in the future.

It's easy to throw Iran into the same boat as Al-Qaeda, but you'r doing a disservice to yourself in believing that. Muslims already believe West does not respect them, so why in the fuck should they respect us? How many people have been killed from Western wars in the Middle East? Just in the past 10 years? All the Islamic terrorism of the past 100 years isn't even close to the number of people we'v killed in Iraq alone! Iran is a sleeping giant? LOL. That's laughable. Stirring some serious shit up? WTF do you think we'v already done!?!?

Krypton, I understand your point. I may be wrong, and Iran could be pursuing peaceful nuclear energy. I am just arguing on behalf of my view.

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Originally posted by Krypton It's not about declining fossil fuels. It's about maintaining a certain level of export without stifling domestic energy consumption. They would rather sell their oil than use it. It's not that hard to understand.

Domestic energy consumption, haha ... How about building enough oil REFINERIES in the first place to put an end to the embarassing import of gasoline!

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You know, we'v been feeding radical Islam for what. 100 years? With numerous invasions, occupations, mandates, and resource takeovers. You think Muslims just woke up one day and decided they hated America? LOL...Look at Iraq and Afghanistan. It is us who are in their lands, killing far more people than all of the Islamic terrorists could do combined. Not the other way around...

Its a problem, but dont expect the fundamentalists to be be forgiving and avoiding revenge when they'll have the upper hand in the region! Its not just the problem of the occupation, but the problems within these countries are significant. USA didnt invade Pakistan, yet those guys cant keep the situation under control. On the other hand there are countries like Sudan which Americans didnt invade, and look at the beautiful and happy situation there!

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I think anyone would be against forced conversion to any religion. But it is a delusion to believe these people are actually going to come to Canada, somehow take over the government and turn Canada into an Islamic Caliphate. You'r not that paranoid are you? If you are, someone's pulling your chain..

Here's where the big problem is. Islam forbids conversion into another religion. Numerous people have lost their lives and have suffered as a result of this. There are numerous severe problems within Islam when its taken too far, apart from Sharia law, Wahhabism, human rights, respect towards other people/religions. Islamic fundamentalism also pursues a determined campaign of expansion and genocide, as witnessed prominently in some countries like Indonesia and Sudan.

They are growing in numbers while we are declining. Pretty soon there will be enough of them to influence our laws, system and society where they can quite well turn a country into a Caliphate! Several European countries already have significant Islamic minorities which are growing and demanding, asserting themselves. In Netherlands alone there they make up 5-10% of the population - and they are not native to that country. In UK there are thousands of mosques and over 2 million Muslims. Then there are France, Germany, Belgium, etc. with significant populations ...

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It's easy to throw Iran into the same boat as Al-Qaeda, but you'r doing a disservice to yourself in believing that. Muslims already believe West does not respect them ...

They NEVER respected us in the first place. And never will. They believe their religion is the better one, they demand submission and consider us as infidels.

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Originally posted by ******** 2 points. Racism: is culturally indoctrinated beleif. There is no racism in Iranian law that I am aware of. Race doesn't "really" exist. Cultures very much do though. Race is a manmade creation, if you beleive in genetics. I think humans are far more alike than different. Afterall god made man, not black man, while man, and persian.

You realize we are dealing with Sharia. Many Sharia scholars make it clear that Islam is the true religion, and other faiths must either convert or remain second class citizens. Now I can go on about Mohammad massacaring the Jews, and suras directly from the Quran hateful toward the Jews, but I dont want to open a massive theological debate. In my opinion, I firmly beleive that the regime is leaned on racist ideals to those who are not beleivers in mohammad.

In terms as prejudice, i merely have to mention the blasphemy laws which heavily discriminate the agnostic/atheistic school of thought. Does a death Fatwa to Salman Rushdie seem like a morally sound regime to you?

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As far as homophobia, I think that right wing christians might agree with many muslims. My own opinion is that god gave choice. Understand teh bibles talmund /koran, draws on a lot 'traditions' and customs of times old, not only jewish, but all parts of the middle east, that is why it was received so well in the region. Genesis 9: 4- 8 - appears to mention having sex with men.. but Lot offers his virgin daughters.... to me this seems very hospitable.. suprisingly so. Male Male sex is grouped with menstruation, childbirth, eating pork etc... Without it is unclean.. and people should wash after these things, cause they are dirty. I personally think homosexuality is pretty disgusting - I'm not gay, but at the same time, sex with a woman itself can be dirty also. Homosexual sex is not alone in that. Corinthians 6:9-10 actually states that Homesexuality is a seperate class of sexual immorality.. and note that sexual immorality can be man/woman relations. The bottom line god gave choice. I think people can choose to rape, but it doesn't make it right. Oddly there have been multiple cases in history that have seen people in authority authorize rape and murder. I see this in line with homosexuality, people can choose to be homosexuals, it doesn't make it right but there is a clear difference between homosexuality and rape. Homosexual acts that are consensual are not rape. So in the case of lot, he prevented homosexual rape, and I geuss toned down the harm caused by offering women.. although I think both would be sorta painful - he must not have liked his daughters much. None the less I'm not homophobic, I think god gave choice, I don't understand homosexuality. The thing is though fornification is wrong, and trying to get the idea of what is a greater sin, starts getting issued, I'd leave that one to the Imams and Judges to figure out. God gave choice. Ultimately people should be intelligent in their life choices.

I dont give a shit if right wing christians agree with them or not. In practice, Iran has VERY homophobic laws.

I also dont agree with you that god gave you the choice to decide whether you are a homosexual or not. are you with the school of thought that people "choose" their mental disorders by anychance?

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misoginistic you mean misogynistic - I don't see this one. Mohomad is often seen as someone who had relationships with his wives which seemed friendly, and he speaks fondly of them. There are even laws stating not to cause your woman to be struck in the face.. people in the west don't feel it is wrong to give your wife black eyes.. I don't understand what laws you are drawing this from. There are bad husbands and criminals in most countries of the world. Just because it happens doesn't make it right for everyone.

wives(plural)...but a wife cant have husbands. Once again we are lingering into hadith interpretation territory which is a giant shitshow since everyone seems to apply literal vs figurative at their own will. this variant leaves an infinite amount of interpretations of islam to be made.
In practice, as with modern Sharia law, I beleive that they are oppressive to women. it should be her right to flaunt it if she wants.

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The importance is that there is law, and there is opinion. Opinion should not question the law, but fill gaps or aim to correct practices that are not correct. Just because it happens doesn't make it the law. Common law in England or France or otherwise have peculiarities also from time to time. Look to frances no face scarves law.. how is that repsecting choice? or the US's no dancing law, or copyright, etc.. lots of these things, are questionable why they should exist as laws. But name one Iranian law you don't agree with and say why. I can give a list of hundreds of canadian laws I don't agree with... does it mean they don't exist no. Does it mean I need to follow them - well if I'm law abiding yes. Do you want corrupt criminals in your government? I'd say that we need people willing to do the right thing. It isn't my place to judge people unless I"m asked to adopt a set of rules. Judges don't necisarily agree with all the laws they judge with.. but it is their job too. Likewise a imam may not understand all the things god has done, but they try to interpret it the best they can. Only a prophet speaks for god. While I think I am one with god, I still think that god speaks for itself, when I am me, I am me, god is always god, and everywhere. The point is though, its their law. Much like in Canada its canadian law. There are some things that just arn't going to happen, even if youd think itd be better that way. Doing your job, and doing what youd like to do may be two different things.

Name one Iranian law I don't agree with: Execution of minors.
Despicable. I don't beleive in the death penalty period either, I didn't even want Saddam dead after what he did to my people.

It seems you've become disenfranchised by the canadian system all over this 5000 dollar fee. Canada is a good country mayn. I can guarantee you if had to live in Iran from this point onwards, you'd get yourself into shit real fast.

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I disagree. They are real people, and there is more than just some eternal jihad at play. There are lots of good reasons for the arabs not to like Israel. In part Israels total disregard for national boundries, and flagrant acts of war int he past such as bombings, espionage, and other stuff.

Hey man, i am with you for the Palestinian rights all the way. I know a few guys In Hezbollah and they are good people. They would never engage in any sort of terrorist action.(Im not implying that there is no terrorist ops in Hezbollah)

This does not change the fact that Iran is after its own interests however(even if those interests are a purely islamic brotherhood struggle).

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I think you may be a little deluded. The religious council wasn't even in support of nuclear power until recently.

I was merely saying that they wouldn't mind losing men, since in their eyes they are in paradise. Nothing to do with nuclear standoff.

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Iranians are more about revenge then being evil, they'd like to do their own thing, and live peacefully. Who attacked who, when was the last time Iran went to war against someone?

Iran got fucked over by US foreign shannanigans.

That doesnt make it a better regime than Canada!
If you were running as an independant that 5000 was the least of your problems

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Seeing that most western and eastern estimates put the Israeli stockpile of missile deliverable nuclear warheads at a number thats MORE than China... (200+ something) Iran would be fucked six ways from Sunday if it tried anything with Israel, US help or not. Thats a cold hard fact, no bias, no bull.

I think they are saying that if it was a fair war. Yes, i know that there is no such thing. We saw this displayed by America or even Israel shooting from distances and fucking anything within it's path and getting away with it scott free.

If this war didn't include Nuclear Arms, then Israel would be demolished.

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Originally posted by Lemonad I think they are saying that if it was a fair war. Yes, i know that there is no such thing. We saw this displayed by America or even Israel shooting from distances and fucking anything within it's path and getting away with it scott free. If this war didn't include Nuclear Arms, then Israel would be demolished.

By Iran? Are you kidding? They are across three countries, two of which would more than likely remain neutral or to some degree more pro-Israel.

Iran has an aging and ill-prepared air-force, where as Israel pretty much wrote the book on modern air combat in the middle east.

I am not supporter of Israel, and I would love to see it get its come-upons but I am also a realist and know that Israel is one of the premier military forces in the world.

And what is a fair war??? War isn't fair! You play to win, no matter what. As long as you don't kill civilians to a large and intentional degree the world has no right to complain either and most likely wouldn't.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby By Iran? Are you kidding? They are across three countries, two of which would more than likely remain neutral or to some degree more pro-Israel. Iran has an aging and ill-prepared air-force, where as Israel pretty much wrote the book on modern air combat in the middle east.

Check out the dog fights episode of the 6 day war to see the kind of air supremecy we're dealing with.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby By Iran? Are you kidding? They are across three countries, two of which would more than likely remain neutral or to some degree more pro-Israel. Iran has an aging and ill-prepared air-force, where as Israel pretty much wrote the book on modern air combat in the middle east. I am not supporter of Israel, and I would love to see it get its come-upons but I am also a realist and know that Israel is one of the premier military forces in the world. And what is a fair war??? War isn't fair! You play to win, no matter what. As long as you don't kill civilians to a large and intentional degree the world has no right to complain either and most likely wouldn't.

Lets not make this into a "my weapons is bigger than yours thus making it better"

In the end, without US support, Israel will perish.

Sure the Iranians might not have the best weaponry, but history has taught that the army with the best not always wins, it's how you use the weapon.

Iran has a close proximity of 1-2 million armed soldiers, and 11 million volunteers to carry attacks.

If Israel wasn't so scared of Iran, they would have striked already. They striked Syria and Iraq, but they just seem to not be able to hit Iran.. all you hear is bullshit propaganda from their dirty mouths so US attacks instead.

Finally just about how you mentioned about not killing civilians, this has proven failures for both US and Israel, what do you think of this? Iran has never attacked another nation unintentionally killing civilians. However, the US and Israel will make Iran look like a boogieman for all of us to fear even though many American tourists have visited the nation and called in the kindest place on earth.

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Originally posted by Lemonad Lets not make this into a "my weapons is bigger than yours thus making it better" In the end, without US support, Israel will perish. Sure the Iranians might not have the best weaponry, but history has taught that the army with the best not always wins, it's how you use the weapon. Iran has a close proximity of 1-2 million armed soldiers, and 11 million volunteers to carry attacks. If Israel wasn't so scared of Iran, they would have striked already. They striked Syria and Iraq, but they just seem to not be able to hit Iran.. all you hear is bullshit propaganda from their dirty mouths so US attacks instead. Finally just about how you mentioned about not killing civilians, this has proven failures for both US and Israel, what do you think of this? Iran has never attacked another nation unintentionally killing civilians. However, the US and Israel will make Iran look like a boogieman for all of us to fear even though many American tourists have visited the nation and called in the kindest place on earth.

And how do you expect them to get those tropps to Israel? Because Israel is not stupid enough to try and fight a war in Iran.

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