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Originally posted by R!CH but what if in the last 8 years j00f started playing happy hardcore and every time you went to hear him play that's all you heard.

LOL i hope u're joking R!CH this line gives me nightmares, i hope he will never do that!

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Originally posted by Direct Clearly the problem starts with those of you who voted for president Brock Osama in the first place.

YOU FORGOT HUSSEIN! HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN!!! HE'S GOING TO HIJACK WHITE HOUSE AND CRASH IT INTO ISRAEL!!! NEVER FORGET!

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Originally posted by R!CH are you borrowing your ad hominem attacks from tasd now? or are they all coming from the same computer? you might want to check your analogy there slick because the president of the united states isn't hired like "99% of the jobs in this world". when you're the president of the united states, you don't need to be an expert in anything you're in charge of. you need good leadership qualities and that's it. george bush had a ton of "experience" governing everything from oil companies to baseball teams to state governments to the united states. lots and lots of "experience" there... would you hire him for the job again? what he lacked was good leadership qualities (such as temperament) and that's why he failed. if you ever make it to the level of hiring manager, maybe you'll learn that results matter more than experience for the good jobs. i'm sure temperament would be in there too if you had 9 months to campaign for a position like politicians do.

Its really sad that every defense of Obama you take is directed at the Bush presidency, as if at some point I told you I support Bush or thought he did a good job as president. Obama has nothing to do with Bush. I dont see your connection between the two.

As far as JOOF, it may be a good analogy had I told you that I vote for any republican candidate on the basis of his party identification. But I dont, as I mentioned before that I voted for Gore and Nadar. So again, your analogy has no relevance.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen Its really sad that every defense of Obama you take is directed at the Bush presidency, as if at some point I told you I support Bush or thought he did a good job as president. Obama has nothing to do with Bush. I dont see your connection between the two. As far as JOOF, it may be a good analogy had I told you that I vote for any republican candidate on the basis of his party identification. But I dont, as I mentioned before that I voted for Gore and Nadar. So again, your analogy has no relevance.

you tried to argue that "experience" is the key to a good presidency (as if obama's lack of executive "experience" will determine his success or failure). bush is the best example of how executive "experience" means shit. try not to get caught up on the "bush" part too much. there's actually validity to what i say if you can get past "bush". since you have such difficulty with semantics, i'll just concede the analogy.

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Originally posted by R!CH you tried to argue that "experience" is the key to a good presidency. bush is the best example of how executive "experience" means shit. try not to get caught up on the "bush" part too much. there's actually validity to what i say if you can get past "bush".

What I was saying is that relevant experience is the top qualification for any job, and the american president should not be the exception. Obama is a great leader, do you want him coaching the Golden State Warriors or your Oakland Raiders?

I think Coach K at Duke and Pete Carrol at USC are GREAT leaders, But I sure as hell dont want them running the free world.

I would like the president to have relevant experience as far as diplomatic relations, economic strategies, war strategy, and most importantly DECISION MAKING! We dont know what kind of decisions he makes without an extensive voting record!!

Obama's leadership thus far has come solely in the form of speeches and charisma. Who or what has he led?

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Originally posted by T.A.S.D. The fact that you would inject or assert 'race' (all Libtards are undeniably racist) into this thread absolutely discredits you even more past the bottom rungs of thought and ideology you were already dwelling in called Libtardism . Never and not once was this election and now current administration about race from the right side of things. Only leftards tried to use it to gain corrupt favor. It's Obama's far left, radical ideas he wants to commit into policy is what we're criticizing, not that he's half white. If color is what you mean, then it's because he's green, and not because he's half white. You are shamed. But it's what I would've expected from you and your lot like R!ch, thrax and starboy.

You really are a "special case". By the way he's half black, did you ever think of that? No. and your omission of that fact is exactly why I brought it up in the first place - your politics stink of the far right, neofacist (insert racist) bullshit that is the outdated backbone of the floundering old school republican guard.

You want really want to try and say "liberals" are inherently racist? Erm, genius, you can't have it both ways.

The only reason Obama did not win by more of a margin was race, and had you watched anything other than Fox News or O'rielly you might have realised that (oh...and that you were on the losing side).

The outging president was a disaster of undisputable proportions, McCain was "a nutter" (in the words of NRA lead spokesman) and Palin (well we don't need to revisit that one do we), wher as Obabma won on nearly every front from the economy, to education, to healthcare, etc. so the only reason he didn't win by far more was race.

Starboy is exactly right. McCain and the GOP got owned from day one bu Obama apart from that brief period when Mrs crazy got involved but at least everyone figured out she was more scary than the 200 year old.

Face it. Republican politics is lost in it's current state. and rich is exactly right with his analogy of labeling yourself to a party you no longer have anything in common with.

Also, for those of you trying to state that Obama has done nothing:

Again, lets recap:

Missiles base for Russia (in Poland) scrapped becuase Obama canceled pointless missile defense system planned by bush. Welcomed by Putin and he acknowledged a "thawing in the current cold reltions between Russia and the USA"

Obama has already had more meetings with the GOP house in his 8 days than bush did in 8 years. FACT.

Obama has reversed 23 laws detremental to the environment pushed through by Bush without congress approval.

Obama has appeared on Arabic TV to push forward the middle-eastern peace process, something Bush never thought of, even though he promised to "bring peace and democracy to the Middle east"

Singed the order to Close Guantanamo (as promised).

Ordered the cessation of all torturing of supects (as it contravenes international law and has only contributed to increase in terrorism).

I can keep going on but basically you have no reason to be scared (even tough a recent study by scientists at Harvard showed that people with right wing beliefs and values are 3 times more easily scared that those with liberal beliefs).

In the words of Barrack Hussein Obama: I won.

Deal with it and be happy that you have someone that knows what they are doing or is at least far more intelligent than the last guy. Be happy about their mulicultural heritage and maybe the fact they had traveled the world before taking the highest office of power.

The democratic party aren't the saving light and neither is Obama as one man, but at least it's a start and they're lightyears better than the current alternative.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen What I was saying is that relevant experience is the top qualification for any job, and the american president should not be the exception. Obama is a great leader, do you want him coaching the Golden State Warriors or your Oakland Raiders? I think Coach K at Duke and Pete Carrol at USC are GREAT leaders, But I sure as hell dont want them running the free world. I would like the president to have relevant experience as far as diplomatic relations, economic strategies, war strategy, and most importantly DECISION MAKING! We dont know what kind of decisions he makes without an extensive voting record!! Obama's leadership thus far has come solely in the form of speeches and charisma. Who or what has he led?

As a mixed race, single parent child, he got a scholarship to Harvard, Became the predident of the Harvard student body, he was then elected president of the Harvard Law Review , the first African American to attain that position in the journal�s then 103-year-old history.

Do you have any idea what it takes to do that as a "black" man, at the best uiversity in the world? At that's just his early education.

The gets in to the senate and runs a campaign that destroys the two most powerful machines in american politics: The republican party and the Clintons.

Gimme a break. He's got more decision making skills than Bush had after 8 years in the office. It's about temperament and experience, and he's got both.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen What I was saying is that relevant experience is the top qualification for any job, and the american president should not be the exception. Obama is a great leader, do you want him coaching the Golden State Warriors or your Oakland Raiders? I think Coach K at Duke and Pete Carrol at USC are GREAT leaders, But I sure as hell dont want them running the free world. I would like the president to have relevant experience as far as diplomatic relations, economic strategies, war strategy, and most importantly DECISION MAKING! We dont know what kind of decisions he makes without an extensive voting record!! Obama's leadership thus far has come solely in the form of speeches and charisma. Who or what has he led?

GOOO RAIDERS AND WARRIORS!!!

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Gimme a break. He's got more decision making skills than Bush had after 8 years in the office. It's about temperament and experience, and he's got both.

Another defense of Obama refrenced to Bush. I dont get it. You try to make Obama look good by comparing him to a complete fail. Is that the standard of our presidency these days?

And no, he doesnt have experience in the politcal world. He has a term in the Senate of which he hardly even voted, because he was busy with a campaign. Not that I am sold that Obama will fail, but your reference to his scholarly accomplishments does not neccessarily cement his politcal success. A charismatic lawyer does not always equal a good president.

And to be fair, at least myself, was refering to Obama not doing anything in terms of Politics PRIOR to his election. I agree he has been busy since Jan 20th. and I think he is doing a great job thus far.

However, I would refrain from praise for acts like closing Gitmo. He has no plan for any of the detainees, or what do with the whole camp. Its just a symbolic act. The camp isnt going anywhere anytime soon.

I applaud him for going on arab t.v. but I assure you the middle east still hates the jews, and they hate us just as much for backing them up and selling them weapons.

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Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal GOOO RAIDERS AND WARRIORS!!!

maybe AL should try and lure a politician to coach that mess

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Originally posted by starboy And, yesterdays vote on the recovery bill illistrates how little the republican party wants to work with our new president and fix the economy. All 178 house repubs voted NO on the bill after numerous meetings and bipartisan efforts by mr. obama in the last week, that was a huge slap in the face. The stimulus plan was even watered down with tax cuts to make republicans happy.

So nice of the democrats to "water down" the stimulus by giving the tax payers a break. I can only hope this stimulus fails in the senate, all it is doing is putting the country MORE In debt. The economy is not going to be fixed with an increase in Pell Grants and Fixing the Electricity Grids. Thats fine if you want to increase spending on education and infrastructure, but do it when the time is appropriate, during the congressional meetings, not in an emergency stimulus package.

This is full of Pork and the republicans are not standing for it. We are in great need of a stimulus package that attacks the cause of our economic hardship which is the bad mortgages and lack of credit. I dont see anything changing with this 800 billion, how many more of these need to be drafted before we get one right. The last one didnt do shit, and we havent learned anything.

I just hope you're wrong Josh, well the houses have approved the $819B stimulus fund, we can only hope that this is for the better... the way I see it, when people pay less tax, they are 'willing' to spend more.. when they spend more, the cash will once again be flowing in our economy, which could prevent businesses from going bankrupt/laying off employees... I hope the stimulus fund will indirectly create more jobs in the market.

But then again, only $250B will be going to the tax, and the rest to infrastructure like you said. Let's just hope Obama knows what he's doing

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen Another defense of Obama refrenced to Bush. I dont get it. You try to make Obama look good by comparing him to a complete fail. Is that the standard of our presidency these days?

In a way, yes (sadly). He lowered the bar and there is always a comparison with the last president as this has the most relevance (if you go back further in time, the farther away you get from current relating issues similar positions etc.). While it's not, and should not be the only way, it is still crucially relevant.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen And no, he doesnt have experience in the politcal world. He has a term in the Senate of which he hardly even voted, because he was busy with a campaign. Not that I am sold that Obama will fail, but your reference to his scholarly accomplishments does not neccessarily cement his politcal success. A charismatic lawyer does not always equal a good president.

Scholarly accomplishments are one way to measure sucess and a contributing factor to judging someones overall achievements. Now the fact that he became a senator - that's no small feat by itself. Only a few hundred people per generation achieve this political goal in the US, let alone someone from a minority. Now the fact that he beat clinton through political means (no small undertaking) and destroyed the GOP in campaign (and lets face it, they threw everything they had at it) is a true political achievement. He beat other very skilled politicians at their own game.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen And to be fair, at least myself, was refering to Obama not doing anything in terms of Politics PRIOR to his election. I agree he has been busy since Jan 20th. and I think he is doing a great job thus far. However, I would refrain from praise for acts like closing Gitmo. He has no plan for any of the detainees, or what do with the whole camp. Its just a symbolic act. The camp isnt going anywhere anytime soon. I applaud him for going on arab t.v. but I assure you the middle east still hates the jews, and they hate us just as much for backing them up and selling them weapons.

I don't think he's the messiah or even the cure to the problems the US faces, just that he brings a refreshing intelligence to politics and that he has demonstrated (so far) great leadership and an open view to changing the problems. With Gitmo, he can;t win. He had to close it as it was wrong however you look at it and send a message of a change in policy, but I think it's BS to critisize him for immediately sorting the detainee issue. He's got a year to figure it out and I still believe it was the right thing to do.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen We are in great need of a stimulus package that attacks the cause of our economic hardship which is the bad mortgages and lack of credit.

That's what the other half of TARP is for (350billion) obama and treasury sec. Tim geitner are using it to free up credit etc, basically what bush failed to do with the other half when he passed it.

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The last one didnt do shit, and we havent learned anything

You meen the last one where everyone got free money from bush, single largest act of socialism in history. Did you really think that was gonna work? this bill is nothing like it.

Here it is now, but i'm sure it will change before it reaches senate.

I appreciate that you guys are discussing these matters in a more mature fashion NOW than before, ie libtards and pinheads...

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Originally posted by T.A.S.D. If color is what you mean, then it's because he's green, and not because he's half white. You are shamed. But it's what I would've expected from you and your lot like R!ch, thrax and starboy.

If this kid is old enough to vote... then I feel bad. Real bad. And if this is what our generation has to look forward to, than we are F***ed with a capital F. Maybe the voting age should be raised to at least 25...since these days I think we tend to mature a little more slowly. :P

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I get your point - that's why I haven't had much sympathy for all those people who bought houses they never could afford, but comparing what Bush HAS ACTUALLY DONE, to a news article speculating various different incentives to jump start the American car industry in not correct. Also, trying to get people to buy cars is not a bad thing - one thing hurting the global economy (as any economist will tell you) is consumer confidence - without it, people don't buy, meaning companies don;t make money, so those same people loose their jobs. Offering someone a tax incentive to buy an American made car, eases pressure on people who need to buys cars and could in theory at least, keep people in the car industry in work. It would seem to be more effective than just giving the money to one of the car companies so they can loose it as their share price keeps plummeting due to lack of sales or spend it on private jet travel. I'm not saying this is the solution - the article gives several possibilities but what happened during Bush - what was Promoted and lobbied and made law under Bush had severely contributed to the mess were in now. My brother in Law in the UK, just went to get a loan from the bank to buy a car. UK interest are at 1.5% - the lowest in history. He has good credit too. The lowest rate he could get off any bank (inlcuding his usual bank) was an interest rate of 25%. Until the bank stop hoarding the money and stop being greedy (not to mention investing incredibly stupidly (madoff)) the business economy will not tuen around. Obama, if he needs to do anything, needs to force them in to action and trading with each again. Josh - you voted for Nader? jesus christ. What did you just want to spite both parties (including yourself)?. Just joking - your vote is your vote but I just don't understand what a vote for someone who has zero chance (every election) is for anyone?

The tax incentive part of the article is OK, but again why would you want to spend tax money to boost the auto industry? Auto industry lobby perhaps? The second part of the article is actually bad. Getting a voucher to get a new car and demolish your old car? Come on now, so you want to destroy the used car sales market just for the new car sales market's sake? So you will be throwing away something valuable and in return the government is spending tax money (call it a deadweight loss). How will people be able to afford used cars if all the old cars will be demolished? Supply and demand will raise prices for used cars. Then the argument for the fact that demolishing old cars will help save the environment by consuming less gas. Oh yeah, how about what will you do with the destroyed cars, recycle them? I guess people haven't learned to stop creating market bubbles and now it sounds like they are to start creating a car bubble.

Simply said, if you cannot afford it DON'T BUY IT. Confidence was destroyed by firms (mostly financials) and the government, and now you want the citizens to repair it?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN By the way he's half black, did you ever think of that? No. and your omission of that fact is exactly why I brought it up in the first place - The only reason Obama did not win by more of a margin was race, .... as Obabma won on nearly every front from the economy, to education, to healthcare, etc. so the only reason he didn't win by far more was race.

Your screed of hysterics is shaping you to perfectly becoming a bigger libtard, even for your stature. Since you are so bent on injecting "race" as an issue here; it is glaringly obvious that YOU are a racist. This isn't about him being half white, but about his absurd spending bill that isn't good for America. Your boy was even quoted the other day for "worrying" about his legacy being synonymously themed by our current economy. A week into this and he's "worrying" about his legacy. You see, this bill is all about a huge expansion of government, advancing his socialistic (near Marxist) agenda's and he himself.

Free market Capitalism works. Individual responsibility works. Socialism fails everytime it's tried. Aren't you even paying attention to your homeland and her nieghbors: France and Germany?

Moreover, reycling conspiratorial, propagandistic, rehashed talking points from radical websites or from the mouths of your heroes like Moore, Soros, Franken and Mahr or trashing Bush some more will do nothing to change that your guy, his intents of redistribution, and socialism will fail again over and over and over. DJ rann and R!ch have been OWNED again absolutely.

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Originally posted by T.A.S.D. Your screed of hysterics is shaping you to perfectly becoming a bigger libtard, even for your stature. Since you are so bent on injecting "race" as an issue here; it is glaringly obvious that YOU are a racist. This isn't about him being half white, but about his absurd spending bill that isn't good for America. Your boy was even quoted the other day for "worrying" about his legacy being synonymously themed by our current economy. A week into this and he's "worrying" about his legacy. You see, this bill is all about a huge expansion of government, advancing his socialistic (near Marxist) agenda's and he himself. Free market Capitalism works. Individual responsibility works. Socialism fails everytime it's tried. Aren't you even paying attention to your homeland and her nieghbors: France and Germany? Moreover, reycling conspiratorial, propagandistic, rehashed talking points from radical websites or from the mouths of your heroes like Moore, Soros, Franken and Mahr or trashing Bush some more will do nothing to change that your guy, his intents of redistribution, and socialism will fail again over and over and over. DJ rann and R!ch have been OWNED again absolutely.

The 2008 election was, thankfully, a sweeping rejection of all your neo-con rabmblings put forth so un eloquently in this golden post right here.

You're gonna be one angry limbaugh nut swinger for the next eight years, good luck with that.

'Palin/Plumber 2012!!

only ONE way to boost this economy... BEATPORT.

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Originally posted by theSEAN only ONE way to boost this economy... BEATPORT.

ahaha, except I'm not sure how I dig the new interface...

oops excuse me I spelled the presidents name wrong. That Brock Obama is a moran.

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Originally posted by Direct oops excuse me I spelled the presidents name wrong. That Brock Obama is a moran.

everyones sentence ends in the economy..gag me fuckin already..

dude are you kidding me........ive been dying for 2yrs in this shit..with my own business.....this is HELL on WHEELS!

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