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Originally posted by jerZ07002 try killing something with a knife. it gives you a different perspective on death when you have to feel a living thing dying and you can't simply shot and look away: pussies!

eerily similar to what the joker said in dark knight

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Originally posted by Yohan once you've shot a rocket launcher though, rifles just dont get the adrenaline going as much anymore

you've got that right
i've only shot rocket launchers twice, and with an 11 mm inlay pipe, so it wasn't really "full power", but it was fun.. hard to hit that fucking target tho, when i had 25 seconds ,from the instructor yelled "panzer xx meters", to to get the launcher from my back, set it up (pull of the lids, pull it out and aim, then fire.. we fucking practised for two days before we got to handle a live one..

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Originally posted by Vlad This is sick!

how come doesn't this guy get hit in the face with the guns? he's even holding them one-handed!

I think u should spend you're money on trying to get laid instead of jerking off to deadly weapons.

I can understand the desire to own one gun, especially if you live in a dangerous area.

What I don't understand are people who have some kind of fetish for "collecting" guns. Seems to me that these are the sort of people who must fantasize about a criminal breaking into their house just so they can get their rocks off by shooting them down.

Never has the whole of human weakness and degeneration been so effectively personified in a mere tool.

If killing somebody is as easy by any means other than guns, then why own a gun? Just own a knife.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I can understand the desire to own one gun, especially if you live in a dangerous area. What I don't understand are people who have some kind of fetish for "collecting" guns. Seems to me that these are the sort of people who must fantasize about a criminal breaking into their house just so they can get their rocks off by shooting them down.

I can understand if you have at least 2 guns in a home. But, indeed, a "collection" of arms is absurd. I am for the rights to bear arms in this country.

But, people here need to realize that it's CRIMINALS/FELONS who make their decisions on how to use a gun. NOT THE CIVILIANS. Gun laws only hurt the law-abiding citizen.

Everybody is a law-abiding citizen until they aren't.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles What I don't understand are people who have some kind of fetish for "collecting" guns. Seems to me that these are the sort of people who must fantasize about a criminal breaking into their house just so they can get their rocks off by shooting them down.

Why do people collect action figures? Stamps? Cars?


I don't collect or own guns (except for 2 Airsoft) but the sight of a gun gives me boyish excitement - "how cool is that!". So whatever, guns kill people. So do knives - I get excitement from seeing a cool knife. Or a cool electronics gadget. It's a matter of liking something, not having fantasies of killing people. Just because guns happen to kill people, doesn't mean people who collect them are dysfunctional waiting-to-happen-criminals.

Also, guns involve contained explosions and fire. And we all know how boys like explosions and fire.

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Originally posted by changosanch But, indeed, a "collection" of arms is absurd.

Once again, just because some people - not the ones who collect - abuse the 'tool'?

People don't keep a cache of action figures or stamps buried beneath their house maintained with the sole purpose of staving off the Government when the time comes though.

And of course boys are excited around weaponry - they are often born and raised to fight and die. Expendability is a primary biological function of males.

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Originally posted by Aortik People don't keep a cache of action figures or stamps buried beneath their house maintained with the sole purpose of staving off the Government when the time comes though.

Yeah, there you are, assuming that EVERY SINGLE collector is a crazy anti-government nut, burying weapons "with the sole purpose of staving off the Government"

Keep playing with you Straw Man

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Originally posted by Orbital32 I saw my mother get shot in the head and die right in front of me. I don't blame the gun. I blame the person. Killing somebody or seeing somebody die is not what i call "cool".

that sucks man....but guns facilitate the easy killing of other people because when you shoot someone from 200 feet away you are disconnected from the death. Death by stabbing is much more intimate.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ...the next day, jerz took out an entire floor of tax attorneys.

...with my brazilian jiu jitsu and grappling skills.

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Originally posted by Orbital32 We cannot do that here, due to the second amendment. It part of our bill of rights that the people are allowed to own personal firearms. The chances of that overturned anytime in the near future is VERY VERY VERY slim. Of course there are people who lose those rights, say for example felons. I say this not because "GUNS...HELL YEAH" type of attitude, but because in reality the U.S. banning all guns will not happen. The strictest enforcement that i can see is this: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/

That's not exactly what it says. Aside from the whole militia prefacing which the conservative supreme court in DC v Heller conveniently disregarded with BS comments, the 2nd amendment actually says "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed [by the federal government]." As of right now, states are NOT prohibited from banning gun ownership. Not too many states are likely to take that direct challenge to the court, but states like NJ, Cali, and NY are likely to push the envelope so far that gun ownership will become almost impossible. And, even though DC v Heller doesn't apply to states (because DC, obviously, is not a state but rather it is the federal government), Justice Scalia left the door wide open for states to prohibit gun ownership with broad language in which he confirms the practice as proper.

It gets more complicated than that because of the Fourteenth Amendment, though, since it provides equal protection of basic rights for all U.S. citizens regardless of what the states want to do. Ever since the Civil War the trend has been for state power to decrease at the expense of federal power.

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Originally posted by nchs09 guns are dumb.

we have 9 guns in our house... and should be getting 12 more in a few months.

//edit don't ask me what kind, I don't know... it's my bf that collects them

Anti-gun person here. I also am one of the camp that believes that the second amendment is outdated and completely unnecessary, seeing as we're a bit past militias at this point.

That said, I always see the argument for guns reflected in the prisoner's dillema, in that people acting in their own self interest (private ownership of guns for non-military/hunting purposes) end up causing a net loss to society, whereas people acting what would seem contrary to personal interest and not owning guns, if everyone did it, would indeed provide a greater benefit to society.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It gets more complicated than that because of the Fourteenth Amendment, though, since it provides equal protection of basic rights for all U.S. citizens regardless of what the states want to do. Ever since the Civil War the trend has been for state power to decrease at the expense of federal power.

no court has ever held that the 2nd amendement applies to states through the 14th amendement. The first through ninth amendments (excluding the second amendment), however, have been held applicable to states through the 14th amendment.

Jerz... you just gave me the new sig I was looking for.

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Originally posted by whiskers Yeah, there you are, assuming that EVERY SINGLE collector is a crazy anti-government nut, burying weapons "with the sole purpose of staving off the Government" Keep playing with you Straw Man

You and Krypton.

Just because you can label something as a fallacy doesn't mean it isn't a point worthy of addressing, unless you earnestly feel that you are so intellectually gorged, to even address a baser point would be below your standards. Which I'm really not buying.

Regardless, I'm not talking about people who collect guns... I mean people who have an arsenal beneath their house, sleep with a gun beneath their pillow, keep one in their glove compartment, buy them for their children, carry one with them at all times, etc. When it has come to the point of such paranoia, seditious and violent political views are rarely far around the corner, and these same people would espouse their God and country-given right to bear arms as some call to fight the establishment that they beg permission of in the first place. Don't tell me you haven't known anyone like this.

I understand your sensitive little objections to all of this, under the presumption that guns don't kill people, etc~ The fact still stands that the primary reason most people would obtain a firearm is because somebody else near them is either known to have one or may have one. I can tolerate dangerous hobbies - what people do to themselves is of little concern to me. But when it affects everybody, strict regulation is necessary in a civic sense.

As for collectors, your desire for explosions and utility could be served with a thousand other collections that have nothing to do with killing people. An adult attraction to guns and weaponry is born of institutionalized bloodlust; the attraction is not the flash of it, a glimmering harbinger of childhood ways, but the power a gun holds over another man. You are quite correct in comparing an interest in guns to that of boyhood pursuits. But children have also been known to torture small mammals - just because a citizen is interested in this little bit of sadistic sentimentality doesn't mean it should be allowed by any governing body.

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Originally posted by Aortik You and Krypton. Just because you can label something as a fallacy doesn't mean it isn't a point worthy of addressing, unless you earnestly feel that you are so intellectually gorged, to even address a baser point would be below your standards. Which I'm really not buying.

When the original point is about gun collectors and NOT about crazy god-worshipping-gun-in-every-pocket "patriots", your point is irrelevant as an argument.

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Originally posted by Aortik Regardless, I'm not talking about people who collect guns... I mean people who have an arsenal beneath their house, sleep with a gun beneath their pillow, keep one in their glove compartment, buy them for their children, carry one with them at all times, etc. When it has come to the point of such paranoia, seditious and violent political views are rarely far around the corner, and these same people would espouse their God and country-given right to bear arms as some call to fight the establishment that they beg permission of in the first place. Don't tell me you haven't known anyone like this.

You were doing well there in that paragraph and I am glad I don't actually know any such people. But the conversation was about gun collectors. Not paranoia.

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Originally posted by Aortik I understand your sensitive little objections to all of this, under the presumption that guns don't kill people, etc~ The fact still stands that the primary reason most people would obtain a firearm is because somebody else near them is either known to have one or may have one. I can tolerate dangerous hobbies - what people do to themselves is of little concern to me. But when it affects everybody, strict regulation is necessary in a civic sense. As for collectors, your desire for explosions and utility could be served with a thousand other collections that have nothing to do with killing people. An adult attraction to guns and weaponry is born of institutionalized bloodlust; the attraction is not the flash of it, a glimmering harbinger of childhood ways, but the power a gun holds over another man. You are quite correct in comparing an interest in guns to that of boyhood pursuits. But children have also been known to torture small mammals - just because a citizen is interested in this little bit of sadistic sentimentality doesn't mean it should be allowed by any governing body.

Once again, I don't give a crap about guns. I was just pointing out how the anti-gun people in this thread and in general always seem to lump everyone into one 'crazy' category and then use that as a basis to support their anti-gun shouts. Also, your "torturing small mammals" analogy is just... well, just an analogy. And another straw man, in fact: "having guns = boyhood pursuits = institutionalized bloodlust = boys torture small mammals = adults who own guns are sadistic = let's govern them". Really?

As for "sensitive little objections" or "boyhood pursuits" - I hope you're comfortable on your verbose "glimmering harbinger" of a high horse.

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Originally posted by whiskers When the original point is about gun collectors and NOT about crazy god-worshipping-gun-in-every-pocket "patriots", your point is irrelevant as an argument.

And which original point would you be talking about? Yours? The original poster's? I merely made an hyperbolic analogy based off of a generalization - you were the one who took it as a challenge for formal debate because you were offended.

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I am glad I don't actually know any such people. But the conversation was about gun collectors. Not paranoia.

Well I have known people as extreme as that and I have known people the far opposite, seeing their hobby as a harmless expense of money and aggression. Neither strikes me as more deserving nor stable a person, as even if somebody is not paranoid, they often give justification to the neuroses of others. Now do not mistake me once more, I don't entertain illusions that disallowing citizens from owning guns will improve the mental or physicalhealth of the nation... but largely disallowing the majority of the public from obtaining the ability to exact their angst from the safety of 600 yards away sounds far more conducive to a government's civil obligation to the people than otherwise.

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Once again, I don't give a crap about guns. I was just pointing out how the anti-gun people in this thread and in general always seem to lump everyone into one 'crazy' category and then use that as a basis to support their anti-gun shouts. Also, your "torturing small mammals" analogy is just... well, just an analogy. And another straw man, in fact: "having guns = boyhood pursuits = institutionalized bloodlust = boys torture small mammals = adults who own guns are sadistic = let's govern them". Really?

Then why don't you explain to me why somebody might collect guns. Really analyze why someone would become enthusiastic over the prospect of owning devices whose undisputable purpose is to end the life of another organism. The most innocuous explanation I can recall would be because "daddy did it, too".

Guns are insane devices that have done nothing but accelerate our expendability and put power in the hands of the mentally insubstantial.

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Originally posted by Aortik Then why don't you explain to me why somebody might collect guns.

Because I don't really care to and neither do you. You've got your own self-righteous opinion and all you're asking for is more fuel for the flame so that you can pick at it. Have fun.

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