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In my opinion

I think vinyl will still be around for some time, it's versatile and it feels great to use. Ultimately laptop dj'ing will take over, look at the big clubs these days. You have more flexability with the sound your mixing and you can make something totally unique! So, vinyl feels great and you can do some cool stuff with it, but with a laptop, the only limit to what you can do is your imagination.........if you have good equipment and software emulation that is!

ciao!

I don think you can use analogies like belt drive turntables being outdated. There was a NEED for direct drive, it fucking hampered your starts and cues, its not like you need other shit, unless youre into production and want to do more live aspects sure. but for traditional dj sets its almost a joke. with cdjs you got everything you need really for a DJ set, unless everyone starts producing live i dont see much reason for it. that being said, do what you enjoy.

today's popularity of "producing live" really shows the shallowness of today's electronic music. just think about it... you either produce a quality production in a studio environment or you play a quality production out in the public

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Is there really that much of a difference between looking at a laptop, the mixer that the DJ uses, the decks or a record crate or cd wallet?

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Originally posted by Teezdalien Is there really that much of a difference between looking at a laptop, the mixer that the DJ uses, the decks or a record crate or cd wallet?

I agree with what RANN said.

and yea.. in my opinion there's definitely a difference between a dj staring at the laptop compared to a mixer, decks or even looking through the cd case.. (not that I'm going against dj's using laptop.)

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Originally posted by Teezdalien Is there really that much of a difference between looking at a laptop, the mixer that the DJ uses, the decks or a record crate or cd wallet?

I can't really articulate it any better than in my previous post but to me, with the many experiences I've had, from a DJ's perpective as well as a punter, I feel that the use of a laptop detracts from the musical performance of the DJ.

I've seen it time and time again. That second or so looking at the screen removes the DJ from the crowd and that IMO, however small, seems to make a big difference in what they do and how they perform. Some of the life is gone. I can't say it any other way becuase I've seen it.

With CDJ's/Truntables and a wallet, it's all tactile and hands on.

Don't get me wrong, some laptop sets are awesome but IME, the ones without have been just noticeably better.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I can't really articulate it any better than in my previous post but to me, with the many experiences I've had, from a DJ's perpective as well as a punter, I feel that the use of a laptop detracts from the musical performance of the DJ. I've seen it time and time again. That second or so looking at the screen removes the DJ from the crowd and that IMO, however small, seems to make a big difference in what they do and how they perform. Some of the life is gone. I can't say it any other way becuase I've seen it. With CDJ's/Truntables and a wallet, it's all tactile and hands on. Don't get me wrong, some laptop sets are awesome but IME, the ones without have been just noticeably better.

Fair enough. I suppose it does depend on the DJ too. It's really lame if they are focused on the screen most of the time. I try not to look at the screen as much as possible. And you're right in that with the mixer/decks/crate/wallet, the audience can clearly see what is happening.(most of the time!)

not sure if this was said prior, as i dont feel like flipping through pages of replies but...

im going to play devil's advocate for a little bit...if laptop djs are in a sense "seperated" from the crowd, what about those djs who just stand there playing vinyl/cds and are a complete bore to watch? we've all seen them at some point. just because they are looking through a vinyl case or cd booklet, does it make them "closer" to the crowd?

compare that to a laptop dj who is rocking out like a tweaker on a cleaning binge and getting into everything he/she does. performance wise, the laptop dj would probably be more "closer" to the crowd that said vinyl/cd dj even if they are "seperated" by a laptop.

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Originally posted by i got big pants not sure if this was said prior, as i dont feel like flipping through pages of replies but... im going to play devil's advocate for a little bit...if laptop djs are in a sense "seperated" from the crowd, what about those djs who just stand there playing vinyl/cds and are a complete bore to watch? we've all seen them at some point. just because they are looking through a vinyl case or cd booklet, does it make them "closer" to the crowd? compare that to a laptop dj who is rocking out like a tweaker on a cleaning binge and getting into everything he/she does. performance wise, the laptop dj would probably be more "closer" to the crowd that said vinyl/cd dj even if they are "seperated" by a laptop.

Well yeah, but that thread is called "shit dj vs. good dj"

i'm going to have to agree with what rann said about laptops disconnecting the dj from the crowd

there a screen popping up blocking your view and more importantly, the crowds view of you, even if it's off to the side, there's still a screen blocking something somewhere

when i perform, i'm always engaging the crowd, making eye contact with people around the room, involving them in the experience

even mid mix, there's few points where i'll be looking at what i'm doing, at this point i know where everything is and can manipulate the mixer or decks/cdjs without looking

like the roger sanchez quote, i feel what the crowd is feeling and react and plan my set out accordingly

live gigs are completely different than planning out a set to record in the studio, there's nothing like having the crowd in the palm of your hand while connecting with the whole room and having everyone go off with each successive mix

so yea, even taking your attention off the crowd for a little to glance at your screen, it's like they're just there, dancing to a jukebox, it's the experience that people pay for, not just some dude standing there picking songs

This is quite a stupid argument really imo. weather you like it or not digital DJing is definitely the future.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN That staring at the screen just removes them from the crowd, and it shows.

Good Post. I do agree that when the DJ has a laptop/DVS it seems to take their focus away from the crowd and puts it onto their laptop. Its like their playing the set to their laptop and the crowd is almost non-existant (this is a bit of an exageration but you get my point).

Despite this, I am still a big supporter of DVS systems in general, but yeah its definitely more fun to watch a DJ on just vinyl/CDs.

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Originally posted by Teezdalien This is quite a stupid argument really imo. weather you like it or not digital DJing is definitely the future.

Yes, but that's what the thread is about - CD or Latops are BOTH digital mediums, so ther're no argument that digital DJ'ing is the future - the thread asks what type of digital DJ'ing is the future.

One thing for perspective though, go back 20 years and Vinyl was dead as a commercial product - it was the stuff your dad bought in the 70's
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I remeber buying my first decks and older generations going "I thought it had all gone CD - is vinyl making a comeback?"

I was fringe culture movements (hip hop and EDM) that got young people buying it again, long after all major commercial outlets and labels dropped it. It was relegated to a small number audiophile sales. So when it became popular amongst DJ's because of it's manipulation capability (i.e. pitching, scratching), it then over time became a mainstream (to a degree) medium again, because enough people were buying it to make shops stock it.

I don't see vinyl coming back in big way (sadly), becuase logistically, it has too many commercial limitations: it's heavy (therefore is expensive to ship and affects the price), it can be damaged, and can't be copied easily (which is a good thing IMO but many people like to not pay for music so it becomes a negative for the masses).

I for one would happily pay $8-$10 a record but most people won't.

Anyway, back OT - digital is here to stay, but anyone who has been around long enough or looks at patterns in life, knows things have a cyclical nature, so maybe we'll all buying music out of real crates rather than virtual ones again soon....

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Yes, but that's what the thread is about - CD or Latops are BOTH digital mediums, so ther're no argument that digital DJ'ing is the future - the thread asks what type of digital DJ'ing is the future. One thing for perspective though, go back 20 years and Vinyl was dead as a commercial product - it was the stuff your dad bought in the 70's . I remeber buying my first decks and older generations going "I thought it had all gone CD - is vinyl making a comeback?" I was fringe culture movements (hip hop and EDM) that got young people buying it again, long after all major commercial outlets and labels dropped it. It was relegated to a small number audiophile sales. So when it became popular amongst DJ's because of it's manipulation capability (i.e. pitching, scratching), it then over time became a mainstream (to a degree) medium again, because enough people were buying it to make shops stock it. I don't see vinyl coming back in big way (sadly), becuase logistically, it has too many commercial limitations: it's heavy (therefore is expensive to ship and affects the price), it can be damaged, and can't be copied easily (which is a good thing IMO but many people like to not pay for music so it becomes a negative for the masses). I for one would happily pay $8-$10 a record but most people won't. Anyway, back OT - digital is here to stay, but anyone who has been around long enough or looks at patterns in life, knows things have a cyclical nature, so maybe we'll all buying music out of real crates rather than virtual ones again soon....

So true. Good post. I still buy vinyl but not as often as say five years ago. I think I did misinterpret the topic somewhat. I guess it's kinda hard to say where the direction digital DJing is going to go, but maybe it will remain both CDJs and laptops with controllers.

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