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wow, how the hell can Fox have a program with so many stupid people? do they actually believe Mexican is a language? "Siesta" does not come from Mexico but from Spain. Are they really that ignorant? And they called Canadians stupid. I would personally go down to their studio and beat all of them, except Monica, with a stick. I would tie up Monica and fuck her in the ass without lubrication.

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Originally posted by Yohan Considering I've had friends serve overseas since 05, just waiting for a bunch of them to come back in few weeks and having 3 people I know being wounded in action, you'd think I'd know what it is to support our soldiers. I'm not calling you ignorant because you support our troops. I'm calling you ignorant because many left wing peaceniks form an opinion, but they had no clue. Actually, I take that back and I'll apologize. I'm not going to call you ignorant because you may be one of few peaceniks that may be educated on the issue. I dunno for sure. I got a bit irate. But very often I speak to left wing types and they can't even name basic facts about about Canada's mission in Afghanistan, being too clueless in their anti Yank rhetoric. Funny how many left wing types claim to support the troops by wanting to end the mission in Afghanistan, but don't quite realize that most soldiers actually want to serve in Afghanistan, esp those reservists who sign up and volunteer and there aren't enough spots to take them all. But I digress. Quoting Walkom who is about credible as Taliban propaganda isn't going to support your argument. If you want to understand Canada's involvement from political point of view, read up on UN resolutions on Afghanistan. Also NATO articles which specifically said attack on one member is attack on all members. If you want to understand Canada's involvement from moral point of view, think about this. If you believe that Canada should support democracy, liberty, human rights and all that stuff. You'd be in support of the mission. Because people like Taliban dont want that stuff in Afghanistan, and little girls will not get their chance for education, or to be elected in govt, or get health care, etc.

I guess how I feel about the war depends on what I believe are the true motivations behind the it....if you believe the the true motives are what you outlined in your last paragraph..then hell ya..that is an honourable endeavour for any millitary to take on....i believe that the situation is a lot more complicated than that..

no worries..we all have our own opinions..but trust me when i say that i try to learn as much as i can about these things...i'm not some twit that watches cnn and believes that everything they spew is the gospel..

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Originally posted by gummybear i wasn't using it as a source to prove a point as much as to point out that other people have the same opinion..i think in the end a lot of this stuff boils down to perception and opinion...like i said...there are opinions on both sides....i'm not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinkin..but i would like to not be considered an idiot cuz i don't share the opinions of someone else..

the problem with Walkom is that he is plainly WRONG.
about credible in terms of talking about military as Scott Taylor, David Pugliese or Sunil Ram who are essentially amateurs trying to make a buck by saying something controversial.

when you can't get the basic facts right. well, more like omitting certain facts. like, Taliban gave aid and shelter to AlQaeda. or the fact that Saudi govt did not support Osama and his bunch, but the Taliban which is about the most 'legit' govt of Afghanistan at the time

I've debated Afghanistan issue with left wing types who actually knew what they were talking about. I didn't agree with them, though I appreciated the fact that they had more knowledge than avg peacenik types.

Walkom on the other hand, clearly talks out of his ass

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Originally posted by gummybear I guess how I feel about the war depends on what I believe are the true motivations behind the it....if you believe the the true motives are what you outlined in your last paragraph..then hell ya..that is an honourable endeavour for any millitary to take on....i believe that the situation is a lot more complicated than that..

funny thing about this is that Afghanistan mission started with Cretin and supported by the Liberals and continued by Martin (who sent our boys and girls down to Kandahar from Kabul)
I can't tell you for sure what the govt's thinking is
however, I can tell you that the activities Canada is doing is geared towards assisting legit Afghan govt take control of their country and provide for their own citizens without international help eventually.

this means a lot of fighting, because Taliban and other insurgent groups dont want Kabul govt to take control. until there is security in Afghanistan, it's hard for humanitarian missions to work properly. kinda stupid trying to build a school or a hospital when Taliban just burns it down the next day
so our boys and girls do a lot of fighting. in the meanwhile, we have people that specifically try to help rebuild local infrastructure (people in CIMIC, PRT, CIDA and other NGOs) so that eventually Afghans take care of their own

send me a PM if you're interested in a bit of reading about some of activities Canadians are doing in afghanistan. most of it is not really political, but just stories of what Canada is doing in Afghanistan from avg Canadian soldier's point of view

again, sorry about the initial outburst. normally I don't take internet seriously but something just set me off

haha do we really not have a thicker skin than this? we needed our Defense Minister to step in? Tomorrow's news: Expected massive precipitation from Canada's shedding of the collective tears of the nation

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Originally posted by daves haha do we really not have a thicker skin than this? we needed our Defense Minister to step in? Tomorrow's news: Expected massive precipitation from Canada's shedding of the collective tears of the nation

when my hockey game is interupted by cherry doing a obituary it becomes personal. seriously, this many canadians haven't given their lives for a single cause in a long time. respect.

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Originally posted by gummybear we have four soldiers that just died, for a war that wasn't even ours to begin with..hell ya we should be mad!!!

Not addressing you directly but here is why I think Canada should be going after every terrorist scum that was involved in 9/11

I can't remember the exact number, but something like 30 Canadians died when the Twin Towers came down. That's Canadians murdered by terrorist scum.

Taliban are accessory to Al Qaeda murderers by providing aid and comfort to these shitpumps.

These Islamic fundamentalists teach a perverted version of Islam that has very little regard for innocent lives or human rights or anything that basic humans should have for granted.
Suicide bombings, beheading their captives and other shit like that have no place in Islam, yet somehow these morons think Allah will give them a pat on the back.

So I think going to Afghanistan and ripping these terrorist scum's heads off and putting shit down neck is perfectly valid.

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Originally posted by soupastah when my hockey game is interupted by cherry doing a obituary it becomes personal.

I wouldnt say it makes it personal for me, but hearing cherry's voice crack at the end
when he was speaking of the 18-yr old was pretty fuckin heavy.

lol @ Red Eye. Figures.

What a gong show - the woman, the most educated of the bunch by a landslide, has a PhD in INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS from Columbia and worked as a foreign policy advisor to Nixon. She has authored 2 books and writes for the WSJ and FT.

Ok, if you're disappointed in Canada "withdrawing" then suit the fuck up and go fight your manufactured-American war yourselves, you douchebags!!

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Originally posted by Abercrombie

haha.

"santa!"

BAHAHAHAH

evil doers should be "usa oil reserves"
hahaa

that map is gold

This was on yahoo news:

By Alexander Panetta, The Canadian Press

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OTTAWA - They bashed the Canadian military but an American TV host and his guest were forced into a strategic retreat Monday in the face of a national uproar.


A Fox News host issued an apology over a talk-show segment described by the Canadian government as "despicable" and "disgusting."


And one of his fellow jokesters - a comedian who quipped that he wasn't even aware Canadian troops were in Afghanistan - was forced to cancel scheduled gigs in Edmonton.


Comedian Doug Benson had been slated to appear April 2 to 5 in Edmonton, which is home to a Canadian Forces base, but the venue owner asked him to stay away.


Irate viewers flooded websites with thousands of comments, there were calls for a boycott of Fox advertisers, and several new Facebook groups popped up, including one titled "Greg Gutfeld Can Rot in Hell."


Gutfeld, the host of the controversial segment on Fox's Red Eye show, said he never intended to make light of Canadian military efforts in Afghanistan.


"However, I realize that my words may have been misunderstood," Gutfeld said in a statement released by Fox News.


"It was not my intent to disrespect the brave men, women and families of the Canadian military, and for that I apologize.


"Red Eye is a satirical take on the news, in which all topics are addressed in a lighthearted, humorous and ridiculous manner."


The recent talk-show segment was taped just before four more Canadian soldiers were killed in Afghanistan, and it featured a group of pundits taking turns trashing Canada and its reliability as an ally.


They were spurred by comments from Canada's army chief that the military would need a year's hiatus to regroup and refurbish after its Kandahar mission ends in 2011.


In the Fox News segment, widely accessed on the Internet, Gutfeld said the Canadian military "wants to take a breather to do some yoga, paint landscapes, run on the beach in gorgeous white capri pants."


"Isn't this the perfect time to invade this ridiculous country?" he said. "They have no army."


That opening crack from Gutfeld prompted his comedian guest, Benson, to chime in: "I didn't even know that they were in the war," he said.


"I thought that's where you go if you don't want to fight - go chill in Canada. I guess that'll be their tourism selling point: We're not in the war for a year. So come on by while we nap."


Swept up the backlash over that little wisecrack was a comedy club in West Edmonton Mall. Benson had been scheduled to perform there next week.


But the owner of the Comedy Strip said he received too many angry messages - including from friends and relatives of soldiers - to guarantee Benson's safety. One person promised to buy a ticket just so that he could throw a beer at Benson.

"We were inundated with emails and phone calls that were bordering on threatening," said club owner Rick Bronson.

"Unfortunately, (Benson) touched a nerve."

The owner's wife called Benson's agent and informed him that the show couldn't go on. The comedian apparently explained that the segment had only been meant as a joke and that he respected Canada's military.

Defence Minister Peter MacKay wasn't laughing.

He requested an apology Monday just before leaving for Canadian Forces Base Trenton, Ont., where he attended a homecoming ceremony with the families of the latest soldiers killed.

MacKay said later that he was satisfied with the apology.

Canadian soldiers have been fighting in Afghanistan for eight years and have spent the last four in the country's most violent region. Canada has lost 116 soldiers in Afghanistan, the highest casualty rate among allied countries fighting there.

Earlier Monday, a spokesman stressed that the Canadian government specifically wanted an apology from the panellists who made the wisecracks - and not just from the Fox network at large.

"These are despicable, hurtful and ignorant comments," said Dan Dugas, a spokesman for MacKay.

"I think that so-called comedian should stare in the camera at his first opportunity and apologize to all of the families of people he's hurt with these despicable comments.

"And he's got to say, 'I was misinformed. I was ignorant of the truth and the contribution of the Canadian Forces to the war on terror, and I want to take it back. I know as a comedian that I can fail sometimes; I failed miserably at this so-called comedy.'

"And his panellists should say the same."

Canada says it will withdraw most of its 2,500 troops from Kandahar when its current combat mission expires in 2011.

The Fox News program aired after Lt.-Gen. Andrew Leslie, the Canadian army chief of staff, said the military would need a one-year break from operations once the long and difficult mission in Afghanistan winds down.

The segment was posted online (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

under the title, "How to Lose Friends and Alienate Countries."

By Monday afternoon, more than 9,400 people had posted responses to the clip, which also makes fun of RCMP officers and their traditional red uniforms.

Among the myriad online comments were a number of calls for a boycott of Fox advertisers.

"I'm just disgusted," said Toronto resident Gabby Herczeg, 55, after seeing the clip.

"Quite frankly, it's Canadians who've been protecting American lives by fighting in the most dangerous part of Afghanistan.

"I am going to actively find out who Fox had advertising and I'm just going to avoid buying any sort of products from them. It's just a disgusting performance."

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Originally posted by Yohan Not addressing you directly but here is why I think Canada should be going after every terrorist scum that was involved in 9/11 I can't remember the exact number, but something like 30 Canadians died when the Twin Towers came down. That's Canadians murdered by terrorist scum. Taliban are accessory to Al Qaeda murderers by providing aid and comfort to these shitpumps.

So let me get this right, because 30 Canadians died in 911 we should send more Canadian troops to fight and die so then maybe people like you will start to feel better? Or do you actually believe we can kill all the terrorists in the world once for all and we can live happily ever after? lol

You don't seem to care about the underlying problem, the terrorist hate the U.S because the Americans been fucking around in the middle east for years and years, invading, manipulating, stealing and killing, and as long as that continues there will be more young kids growing up in the middle east with a strong passion to destroy America, and the less us the Canadians interfere in the middle east, the better our chances are of not ever being hit by the terrorists.

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Originally posted by spolitta So let me get this right, because 30 Canadians died in 911 we should send more Canadian troops to fight and die so then maybe people like you will start to feel better? Or do you actually believe we can kill all the terrorists in the world once for all and we can live happily ever after? lol You don't seem to care about the underlying problem, the terrorist hate the U.S because the Americans been fucking around in the middle east for years and years, invading, manipulating, stealing and killing, and as long as that continues there will be more young kids growing up in the middle east with a strong passion to destroy America, and the less us the Canadians interfere in the middle east, the better our chances are of not ever being hit by the terrorists.

you do realize that these terrorists are against basic 'Canadian' values?
democracy, human rights, equality whatever. stuff like that we take it as basis of a cultured society?

in the end it doesn't matter for these nutjobs who they target, because their end goal is their perverted vision of Islam on earth. If it isn't the Yanks they target, it would be someone else.

I give a rat's ass about humanity in general and I don't want shitheads like these Islamic fundamentalists on earth stealing my oxygen.
Sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich and hoping that all this will blow over isn't going to help.

So if you think a little girl in Afghanistan deserves to be ruled by Taliban and their wacky ideas and not have a chance to get basic rights that we Canadians take for granted, well. What else can I really say?

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Originally posted by spolitta So let me get this right, because 30 Canadians died in 911 we should send more Canadian troops to fight and die so then maybe people like you will start to feel better? Or do you actually believe we can kill all the terrorists in the world once for all and we can live happily ever after? lol You don't seem to care about the underlying problem, the terrorist hate the U.S because the Americans been fucking around in the middle east for years and years, invading, manipulating, stealing and killing, and as long as that continues there will be more young kids growing up in the middle east with a strong passion to destroy America, and the less us the Canadians interfere in the middle east, the better our chances are of not ever being hit by the terrorists.

Someone knows what they are talking about.

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Originally posted by spolitta So let me get this right, because 30 Canadians died in 911 we should send more Canadian troops to fight and die so then maybe people like you will start to feel better? Or do you actually believe we can kill all the terrorists in the world once for all and we can live happily ever after? lol You don't seem to care about the underlying problem, the terrorist hate the U.S because the Americans been fucking around in the middle east for years and years, invading, manipulating, stealing and killing, and as long as that continues there will be more young kids growing up in the middle east with a strong passion to destroy America, and the less us the Canadians interfere in the middle east, the better our chances are of not ever being hit by the terrorists.

LOL

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Originally posted by spolitta So let me get this right, because 30 Canadians died in 911 we should send more Canadian troops to fight and die so then maybe people like you will start to feel better? Or do you actually believe we can kill all the terrorists in the world once for all and we can live happily ever after? lol You don't seem to care about the underlying problem, the terrorist hate the U.S because the Americans been fucking around in the middle east for years and years, invading, manipulating, stealing and killing, and as long as that continues there will be more young kids growing up in the middle east with a strong passion to destroy America, and the less us the Canadians interfere in the middle east, the better our chances are of not ever being hit by the terrorists.

Honestly? Some of you prefer AQ/Taliban over the Yanks?

blows my mind

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Originally posted by gummybear and to be honest..if makes me howl that people can still throw the word "ignorant" around in the internet and GOOGLE age....information is at my fingertips ...just because someone has a differing point of view doesn't make them ignorant....so please, feel free to disagree but get off your high horse and realize your views are not doctrine..

Are you aware of the disparity between internet penetration rates and TV penetration rates in the USA, especially in rural USA? Canada is one of the most connected countries in the world because of the geographic location of most of its citizens. So much of the US population is out in rural areas. I think I hear a pot calling a kettle....

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Originally posted by Abercrombie

Yep, that pretty much sums up what America thinks of the rest of the world.

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