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Originally posted by Alex Well God never wrote any of it obviously, but during mass we do say "The word of the Lord". Still, that's more out of tradition than anything, and I think most people realize that it was people writing the stories down not God whispering them into peoples' ears or physically writing any of it himself.

Indeed, thus the whole "divinely inspired" description we affix to it.

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Originally posted by Alex How is that progress? That's what I've always known. It doesn't mean that God never said those things to Moses, nor does it mean God never revealed himself to countless other prophets. It also doesn't mean that Jesus wasn't God etc.

You increasingly look like a retard Capitalizt. I think you should go play elsewhere because it is obvious this stuff is waaaaaaaaaaay beyond your comprehension.

Please alex..You embarrass yourself with nearly every sentence.

I love how you christians like to point to noble commandments given to Moses by a talking shrub..but you conveniently don't brag in the mass murder he perpetrated afterwards.. The God of the old testament was a nasty SOB wasn't he? Full of jealousy, encouraging his followers to commit genocide and infanticide..to destroy cities..to murder thousands of innocents...to rape and enslave women...the way he sent famine and plagues upon countless people who offended him.. How compassionate..How loving! I really like how you christians pick and choose what parts of the bible to follow and what parts to ignore.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Please alex..You embarrass yourself with nearly every sentence. I love how you christians like to point to noble commandments given to Moses by a talking shrub..but you conveniently don't brag in the mass murder he perpetrated afterwards.. The God of the old testament was a nasty SOB wasn't he? Full of jealousy, encouraging his followers to commit genocide and infanticide..to destroy cities..to murder thousands of innocents...to rape and enslave women...the way he sent famine and plagues upon countless people who offended him.. How compassionate..How loving! I really like how you christians pick and choose what parts of the bible to follow and what parts to ignore.

I embarrass myself? You just don't get it. Any of it. You're a broken record and making increasingly less sense as you work yourself into a spitting rage at your lack of comprehension of the topic.

Your tactics are to insult, berate and point out things that have been explained a million times on these forums yet you ignore ALL of it and keep making an idiot of yourself.

You must have had a nasty Christian granny or something that gave your brother candy but not you. It seems to be the only explanation as to why you continue to ignore everything presented to you and continue on your ignorant and frankly offensive crusade.

You haven't presented or explained anything alex..ever. I asked if the bible was the word of god. You basically said, "Yep!..all the nice parts are..the rest is not divinely inspired and should be ignored."

Don't get angry when we point out that you've spun yourself into a convenient little web of cognitive dissonance.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt You haven't presented or explained anything alex..ever. I asked if the bible was the word of god. You basically said, "Yep!..all the nice parts are..the rest is not divinely inspired and should be ignored." Don't get angry when we point out that you've spun yourself into a convenient little web of cognitive dissonance.

???

Let me go back and find the exact quote I used.

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Well God never wrote any of it obviously, but during mass we do say "The word of the Lord". Still, that's more out of tradition than anything, and I think most people realize that it was people writing the stories down not God whispering them into peoples' ears or physically writing any of it himself.

Then I said:

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It doesn't mean that God never said those things to Moses, nor does it mean God never revealed himself to countless other prophets. It also doesn't mean that Jesus wasn't God etc.

Hmm so where exactly did I say: "Yep!..all the nice parts are..the rest is not divinely inspired and should be ignored." ?

Is that what this is reduced to? I cant even call that a straw man dude, that shit is just an outright lie as to what I said just a few posts up. If you're going to read my shit wrong, fine, but don't try and completely change what I said only 4 posts ago in order to make me look stupid.

You really fail at this, but I suppose when you know next to nothing on the subject the best thing to do is to completely change what the other person said and roll with the lie

Pathetic.

alex, just pointing out how your kind tend to gloss over the nasty parts of your holy scripture...picking and choosing which stories to live your life by. Like most x-stians you brought up the story of moses and the commandments as an example of your faith, and ignoring all rape and murder that "god" commanded moses's followers to do a few minutes later. I just find it amusing.

You might enjoy these biblical quotes. They demonstrate "commandments" from god that christians don't brag about these days:

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I didn't ignore anything. Do you really want me to post an exegesis on the entire Bible every time I mention ANYTHING?

There is an unbelievably simple explanation as to why God seemed like an "SOB". God ultimately created human beings, I don't believe it was 6,000 years ago nor do I believe the Genesis story as fact. However, if I believe that God created the universe and I agree that human beings are indeed a part of the universe then I must believe that God ultimately created human beings.

That brings us to divine providence. God gave out the commandments, one of which was do not murder. These commandments are for human beings to follow. Any action God chooses to do, whether it be spit on me or kill me, that cannot be seen as wrong to us because the same laws of morality, physics and practically any other law you can think of do not apply to God. He is not just a vastly more intelligent human being with super powers, he is everything. It is not up to human beings to question the actions or integrity of this said God because the same standards that apply to us mere mortals do not apply to him. It is impossible for God to be hypocritical, evil or menacing as these are traits attributed to free will given to human beings, which is simply not comparable to divine will or divine providence.

Also, you failed to address the fact that you misquoted me completely and lied about what I said. Care to apologize?

Oh and kindly excuse me if I don't take you seriously when you try and prove me wrong using the following website that you conveniently labeled as link1 and link2:

EVILBIBLE.COM

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi i saw pascals wager was brought up, PKC touched on the points of feigning beleif and piety, here is a great hitchens clip(volume is low)

another reason to like Hitchens (from Real Time with Bill Maher the other night): not relenting on Mos Def's paranoid "question authority" card he always plays and "I like to talk over you because I don't really want to hear your answers if they are legit" deal:

first alex, I didn't misquote you or lie about what you said.. I simply pointed out what you (and other christians) DON'T say..what you conveniently omit every time you speak of one of your favorite prophets in the bible (Moses).

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He is not just a vastly more intelligent human being with super powers, he is everything. It is not up to human beings to question the actions or integrity of this said God because the same standards that apply to us mere mortals do not apply to him. It is impossible for God to be hypocritical, evil or menacing as these are traits attributed to free will given to human beings, which is simply not comparable to divine will or divine providence.

Wow....Wow....Wow... I will let this statement speak for itself. The fact that you can blindly excuse acts of pure..pointless malicious evil speaks volumes about your character.

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Originally posted by Alex Oh and kindly excuse me if I don't take you seriously when you try and prove me wrong using the following website that you conveniently labeled as link1 and link2: EVILBIBLE.COM

lolol...I thought you'd like that. The fact remains that those passages comes direct from the horse's mouth alex! Every passage is cited by name and verse. Feel free to pick up your trusty bible and read for yourself.

You know..from your first statement I get the impression that seem to be struggling to justify some of the massacres and other sadistic horrors committed by god in the old testament. I assume (and hope) this is not the case. If you don't believe in the particular commandments I cited, you would greatly simplify things for all of us by explaining what criterion you use to decide which parts of the bible to believe and which to discard? Please explain the process you use to filter truth ("the word of god") from the other stuff?

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Originally posted by Capitalizt But the Bible is the WORD of God is it not?

Um, no.

How is it against my character? Once again you just don't get it. It's like explaining what red looks like to someone who's been blind their entire life.

Oh and you DID lie, I think everyone in this thread should go back and look at your bull shit attempt at twisting what I said around completely.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Please alex..You embarrass yourself with nearly every sentence. I love how you christians like to point to noble commandments given to Moses by a talking shrub..but you conveniently don't brag in the mass murder he perpetrated afterwards.. The God of the old testament was a nasty SOB wasn't he? Full of jealousy, encouraging his followers to commit genocide and infanticide..to destroy cities..to murder thousands of innocents...to rape and enslave women...the way he sent famine and plagues upon countless people who offended him.. How compassionate..How loving! I really like how you christians pick and choose what parts of the bible to follow and what parts to ignore.

Jesus Christ you look like a fool.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Um, no.

John 1

The Word Became Flesh

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Jesus Christ you look like a fool.

A little introspection really touches a nerve with you fellas doesn't it?

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Originally posted by Krypton John 1 The Word Became Flesh 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

John 1 refers to the prophecies regarding Jesus in the old testament came true. Jesus came to us.

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Originally posted by LazFX Wow..... like the theory that some God created the whole entire universe in 7 days?

i certainly believe in Evolution, but I have my serious doubts about the 'big bang' theory. Since the universe is expanding, what exactly is it expanding into? Why can't the universe just be something that has been, and always will be of an infinite size and duration.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 i certainly believe in Evolution, but I have my serious doubts about the 'big bang' theory. Since the universe is expanding, what exactly is it expanding into? Why can't the universe just be something that has been, and always will be of an infinite size and duration.

It's not expanding into anything. It is everything.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt A little introspection really touches a nerve with you fellas doesn't it?

First of all, I doubt introspection is what you mean. You haven't caused me to doubt my own beliefs at all.

Second, it's just annoying to read your posts when they're obviously coming from someone who doesn't know the first thing about Christianity or any sort of personal faith. Are all Republicans the same? Then why are all Christians? Do all conservatives follow the PNAC letter without hesitation? Then why must all Christians follow every verse in the Bible?

The Bible is a series of metaphors and parables. There is truth there, but it is gleaned, not accepted verbatim. Christian literalists may be vocal, but in reality they are few and far between.

Also, posting verses without context is about what I'd expect from somebody who draws his conclusions about a subject without even pretending to learn about it first.

FYI Lez I went to church for about 12 years. I know a little about the subject..and I don't think much context is necessary in the quotes posted on that site. The meaning is quite clear.

Anyway, we are seriously off topic. Can't we all agree that it's not a good idea to teach creationism (or any other theory with no evidence) in a science class?

Creationism SHOULD BE TAUGHT alongside evolution. My goodness, how much more evidence do you need apart from the Bible?

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Originally posted by Alex Oh my, you haven't read much of the thread have you?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I thought we were all in agreement on that. The argument started when you and Cap tried to paint all Christiandom as out of touch with reality and akin to the Texas creationists.

I wasn't aware once a thread consensus was made we weren't allowed to comment anymore.

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Originally posted by Alex Also, your use of google to try and "own" me with a Bible passage is humorous in nature as you picked a passage that is completely out of context for what I was talking about.

Is it really out though? And I don't have to try and own you as you're doing a splendid job yourself.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Getting back to the original topic.... I really do believe that every topic taught in school should be open to scrutiny (although I expect that the scrutiny on evolution would be very very thin)

And therein lies the reason why the Texas school board should be ashamed. Theres a blatant bias and the scrutiny taught outside creationism is tenuous at best

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov "He said jihad! Time for an intolerant Islam joke!"

Islam is the ultimate intolerance. If Islam ruled the world we'd all be slaughtered. Why respect something that has nothing but contempt for you. I'd take the ebola virus before sharia law.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 i certainly believe in Evolution, but I have my serious doubts about the 'big bang' theory. Since the universe is expanding, what exactly is it expanding into? Why can't the universe just be something that has been, and always will be of an infinite size and duration.

Pick up the latest issue of Scientific American. Cover story is about new theories of the expansion of the universe. Delves into what you're talking about here.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Anyway, we are seriously off topic. Can't we all agree that it's not a good idea to teach creationism (or any other theory with no evidence) in a science class?

Yes, but then the thread would be over so lets digress.

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Originally posted by D-res Islam is the ultimate intolerance. If Islam ruled the world we'd all be slaughtered. Why respect something that has nothing but contempt for you. I'd take the ebola virus before sharia law.

Wow.

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