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Originally posted by echosystm The Virus algorithms running on your computer, instead of a DSP, would sound absolutely identical. In fact, it would actually sound better, since it would not be subject to the degradation of being converted from digital to analog, then back to digital again. Once again, do a computer science or engineering degree, then try to debate this with me. Until then, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

So why cant software developers make what the VA's have created and profit? Sonically, where are the VA grade VSTs?

Spectrasonics is rich enough, REFX is rich enough, Cakewalk is rich enough. Native Instruments is rich enough, probably richer than most VA hardware companies, why arent they investing in a software VST that smacks VA's around?

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Originally posted by Kismet7 psssstttt.... ::whispers:: your moving the yard sticks and changing what is important in this topic. Now you want to make the case that vst is better than analogue because the lack of distortion and "disturbances" that is found in digital? Buh buh buh what about emotional and mental impact? Is moving people important, or clean sounds important? If you prefer clean, good for you. Objectively, Analogue sounds better to me, and if I had the choice between the two, id go with Analogue, and then VA over purely software.

All I'm trying to get you to admit is that it's your opinion, and that other people who disagree with you are not necessarily wrong. And emotional and mental impact are about as subjective as it gets.

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Originally posted by mezzir All I'm trying to get you to admit is that it's your opinion, and that other people who disagree with you are not necessarily wrong. And emotional and mental impact are about as subjective as it gets.

I don't know if its subjective, taste aside, if the same frequencies, tones, harmonics, are imposed on two different people, they will likely net similar mental and emotional results. Just like an F Minor chord might come off as dark sounding to most people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh8KJ7Diyok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGBfO_oyy7k

I'd hate to think that the im alone in the emotional and mental impact of this music released in 1996, likely created on an assortment of analogue devices.


ps: I wonder if Burial has heard the first track above.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 So why cant software developers make what the VA's have created and profit? Sonically, where are the VA grade VSTs? Spectrasonics is rich enough, REFX is rich enough, Cakewalk is rich enough. Native Instruments is rich enough, probably richer than most VA hardware companies, why arent they investing in a software VST that smacks VA's around?

Z3ta is better than any virus VA.

Talk to RGC Audio, they made a vsti that SMACKS THE FUCKING SHIT OUT OF AND SPITS ON...the virus, yes the analog virus. Audiorealism Bassline 2 RAPES the 303 in the ass, so hard its intestines are pulled out in a razor like raspy noise that actually caused Union Jack to make his infamous Red Herring track.. And oh oh lets not even talk about FM8...it makes the dx7 look like a little whiny fucking bitch on a bad hairday, the dx7 is utter fucking trash compared to FM8, if FM8 is a PSP...then dx7 is an N-Gage.

Ive stated a statement so it must be true.

As for trance dying, its not the methods people use to make itt hat killed it, its the type of music people want to make that killed it, bt, armin, tiesto, airwave, pvd..blame them for fucking trance up. Not companies that make software vstis.

Kismet7 next time you want to speak, remember:

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Originally posted by cronodevir Z3ta is better than any virus VA. Talk to RGC Audio, they made a vsti that SMACKS THE FUCKING SHIT OUT OF AND SPITS ON...the virus, yes the analog virus. Audiorealism Bassline 2 RAPES the 303 in the ass, so hard its intestines are pulled out in a razor like raspy noise that actually caused Union Jack to make his infamous Red Herring track.. And oh oh lets not even talk about FM8...it makes the dx7 look like a little whiny fucking bitch on a bad hairday, the dx7 is utter fucking trash compared to FM8, if FM8 is a PSP...then dx7 is an N-Gage. Ive stated a statement so it must be true.

Sometimes I love hyperbole, so I'll just give you a high 5, thanks for the funny, thread needed a bit more.

I ask for ketchup and I start WWIII

funny listening to this tho

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Originally posted by Tsuekasa I ask for ketchup and I start WWIII funny listening to this tho

Yah, and I had the Abomb stockpile and square mile Vaporizing Satellite. Its over now, the Fallout will be quickly replaced with flowers blooming and birds chirping. Back to wrestling with software, extracting the few mentally and emotionally impactful sounds.

wassup! Wa'gwan?

I turn my back and a tiesticles/LORDOFBASS-a-like turns up. Looks like i'm gonna have to run a few numbers via the search by username option. I'm ready for some joke

No no I'm sure this is the right one.

Let me just get my pina colada and lounger brb..


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Kismet

Could you kindly give us a list of your studio equipment? Synths, outboard gear, monitoring etc?

Some VA synths have a character that i like, alot of it actually comes down to the crap quality DACs on the synth and the fact i use a nice pre-amp.

I can guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in a blind test between a few VAs and software playing simple sounds.

I PREFER the sound of analogue, It is definately not better than digital, just different.

What are some newer edm tracks that you like the production quality of?

To answer your question about vintage synths. Of course there is a market for these. They are Vintage and very rare. There were only 2000 jupiters 8s made i think. Thats why they have a hefty price tag. Granted they are selling for a lot more at the minute, but thats just due to the collectors paying stupid money which drives the price up for the rest of us.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Objectively, Analogue sounds better to me.....

No, that would be subjectively not objectively.

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Originally posted by dannib Kismet Could you kindly give us a list of your studio equipment? Synths, outboard gear, monitoring etc? I use chicken stock. What does it matter, i've used and have access to both, but to be accurate I use primarily software, I keeps it real, even though I use/wrestle with software to make my own shit, I can tell you real hardware is better. And fo.chocho my future will be deep in hardware cheeks. Some VA synths have a character that i like, alot of it actually comes down to the crap quality DACs on the synth and the fact i use a nice pre-amp. Thats awesome. I can guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in a blind test between a few VAs and software playing simple sounds. Cool...no one made this point. I guarantee that VA sounds better, but I never made a point about a VA vs VST blind test, If you played me tracks entirely made with analogue and entirely made in software, I could easily tell the difference. I PREFER the sound of analogue, It is definately not better than digital, just different. Coool. Thumbs UP What are some newer edm tracks that you like the production quality of? Recently, anything from Gui Boratto, Joris Voorn, Robert Babicz have amazing sound quality. All 3 of them are analogue/hardware whores. To answer your question about vintage synths. Of course there is a market for these. They are Vintage and very rare. There were only 2000 jupiters 8s made i think. Thats why they have a hefty price tag. Granted they are selling for a lot more at the minute, but thats just due to the collectors paying stupid money which drives the price up for the rest of us. Thats coool. Titties UP.

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Originally posted by farris No, that would be subjectively not objectively.

No. x1000x7000xPi Sans the Decimal + Thumbs UP.

@ op - What sound are you talking about exactly??

check the tracks 'wtf' and 'sevenlands' on my myspce... like that kinda?

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Recently, anything from Gui Boratto, Joris Voorn, Robert Babicz have amazing sound quality. All 3 of them are analogue/hardware whores.

i thought gui boratto was a software slut

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