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Lol no...at being able to get a man to think of me sexually. I just think of all my stupid friends who go out of their way to attract males, and how special they think they are when a guy is after them. It's just like, "Bitch, you have a vagina...you've already won! Of course he wants to fuck you." Fuck.

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Originally posted by squirrelly Two, men-women friendships ARE fundamentally different. A man-woman friendship can be close, but it is different than a woman-woman or a man-man. One of my best friends is a guy (yes - we have had feelings for each other, just never at the same time) and my friendship with him is significantly different than my friendship with a female friend. Other friendships with male friends are also different. And (eventually) you always find out who has feelings for who.... somewhere down the line. In fact, a woman-woman friendship is even more fundamentally different than a man-man friendship.

I know Jenny has given a semi-serious answer and we're now into the realm of vagina jokes, but the more serious reply to this is that it's saying as much about how you view the other sex as it is about how the two sexes interact:

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Originally posted by jennypie If you view the opposite sex as a sexual partner first and foremost, you're most likely going to approach relationships with them in a corresponding manner.

I don't want to imply anything because I don't know you guys like you know each other, being a COR outsider, but are you a particularly girly girl? Do guys hold little interest to you outside of attraction because you just aren't into "guy stuff"? Or do you have the more cynical view that guys and girls just inherently don't get on much without attract playing a role?

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Originally posted by Arbiter Calling it impossible is a definite overstatement, but I can see why some people might think it a useful one. The world is so full of oblivious people; everyone wants to think they are the exception to the general rule. Most aren't--that's why it's the general rule. But try telling them that and see how far it gets you (or don't, if you value your time.)

Well that's the underlying question of this thread: is it a rule, or is just a tendency? The opinion seems split in this thread, and you have to ask if anyone has figured out the human mind or if they've just observed a lot of evidence. Ancedotes don't prove anything.

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Originally posted by Domesticated It depends. If you're one of those guys who is happy being friends with ugly chicks, then yes, it is certainly possible. However, if you're like me and (sub)consciously shy away from friendships with ugly girls, you are pretty much always going to have a desire to shag your friends, because they are good looking and you will always be attracted to them in some way.

Well there's the weird thing. This girl is considered by most to be pretty attractive, but personally she doesn't do anything for me. So this throws up some possibilities. Am I like you, and even though I'm not attracted to her I still know she's seen as attractive, so I earn status by being seen with her? Or is it some sort of inverse, where she finds me attractive but I'm seen as being beneath her standards and so social pressure precludes her from making any moves?

i truly enjoy the company of men more than women and i'm definitely understanding jenny's point of view. i'm a tomboy myself and will crack dirty jokes and stuff and talk about cars and i'm probably viewed as "one of the guys" with my guy friends, but i still think they would totally fuck me if they thought they had a chance and it kinda sucks but whatever. i mean as long as they don't cross the line like i said before. and even though i'm aware that they'd fuck me, i'm confident enough in my personality and what i have to offer as a friend to know that it's not ALL about them wanting to fuck me. i believe they appreciate me as a person and find me funny/cool to be friends with, etc...

and as a matter of respect, i usually lose my day-to-day contact with my male friends when i'm involved with someone. i wouldn't appreciate my boyfriend constantly talking/emailing/chatting with girls who want to fuck him on a daily basis.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't want to imply anything because I don't know you guys like you know each other, being a COR outsider, but are you a particularly girly girl? Do guys hold little interest to you outside of attraction because you just aren't into "guy stuff"? Or do you have the more cynical view that guys and girls just inherently don't get on much without attract playing a role?

You bring about a very good point, I think the whole 'nature vs nurture' discussion could be linked to this. If you were raised by mostly women (which was the case with me) you develop a...well, a special tact for knowing how to talk to and treat a woman. On the other hand, a man can learn how to develop relantioships with the opposite sex in a way in which it's outside of sexual attraction; naturally any man (heterosexual) will find an attractive woman sexy, and to some extent there will be 'some' sexual tension. I don't think this 'sexual tension' is wrong, as it's intended by nature, to feel these things for the opposite sex...makes sense?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't want to imply anything because I don't know you guys like you know each other, being a COR outsider, but are you a particularly girly girl?

Not at all a girly girl.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Do guys hold little interest to you outside of attraction because you just aren't into "guy stuff"?

Not sure where you got I wasn't interested in males as friends. All of my closest friends are males. I'm not particularly into guy stuff either. I think it's just the way I think and my attitude that makes me get along with dudes better.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Or do you have the more cynical view that guys and girls just inherently don't get on much without attract playing a role?

Not at all. I think people can get along in whatever manner they want, if they'd just stop being fucking retards about it. And I'm pretty sure I've been a strong advocate this whole thread for functional, platonic male/female relationships.

Wait...I just realized that was directed at squirrelly (I think?). Oops.

what the fuck i'm trying to be a part of this thread and everyone is ignoring me.

fuck all of you.

Just keep talking, it makes me want to fuck you.



edit: I'm not ignoring you...I just can't keep up with all the posts, lol. I tend to agree with most of what you say, if that means anything. Just imagine me sitting here nodding in agreement.


edit: Nodding in agreement and saying "You know it, girl." And then snapping my fingers like a black chick.

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Originally posted by jennypie Just keep talking, it makes me want to fuck you. edit: I'm not ignoring you...I just can't keep up with all the posts, lol. I tend to agree with most of what you say, if that means anything. Just imagine me sitting here nodding in agreement. edit: Nodding in agreement and saying "You know it, girl." And then snapping my fingers like a black chick.

ok good that makes me feel better.

/leaves

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Originally posted by winston You make sex sound as something obscene or prohibited

If I'm coming across that way, it's because sex in this scenario stands for something I don't want to believe: that men and women only have friendships because they want sex. The sex itself is fine, but when it's over you're left with a pretty depressing view of human interaction.

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Originally posted by jennypie Wait...I just realized that was directed at squirrelly (I think?). Oops.

Yeah, sorry I didn't make that clearer.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J that men and women only have friendships because they want sex.

of course not

not just sex, but any thing that benefits themselves. companionship, drug connections, etc. that's why we all have friends when it comes down to it. to benefit ourselves.

I don't believe so. Ask my ex girlfriend. She was friends with this guy, quite close "friends" actually, but she maintained just friends. Eventually we broke it off for reasons not related to him and she slept with him a few times not even like ten days after we broke up. We got back together after she promised me they were just friends, he was a rebound, she regrets it, etc. A few months goes by, everythings going super well, and out of the blue yesterday it's "omg, I love you but I have feelings for him too, I'm so sorry" and now she has lost both of us. Or at least ATM, I don't know (nor do I want to) if she's going to try and get back with him - he lives far away from us now anyways.

I have yet to have a good friendship with a girl I am attracted to unless we are in a situation where there is no chance of advancement. Examples include girlfriends of my friends and the friends and roomates of my ex. Of course I have no problem being friendly with unattractive girls, but whenever the prospect of being attracted to them creeps in, I usually screw it up.

cor version: I should've known better

Yeah but chicks like your girlfriend are stupid fucking clueless idiots.

I bet she's the kind of chick who dresses like a hoe and puts out all kinds of signals, and then goes "Omg I can't figure out why he's all up in my shitttt."

Fucking morons.

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Originally posted by jennypie Yeah but chicks like your girlfriend are stupid fucking clueless idiots. I bet she's the kind of chick who dresses like a hoe and puts out all kinds of signals, and then goes "Omg I can't figure out why he's all up in my shitttt." Fucking morons.

are some females really that fucking dumb? i always assumed they know what they're doing and play it off like they don't

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Originally posted by jennypie Yeah but chicks like your girlfriend are stupid fucking clueless idiots. I bet she's the kind of chick who dresses like a hoe and puts out all kinds of signals, and then goes "Omg I can't figure out why he's all up in my shitttt." Fucking morons.

hahah well she definitely put out a few signals to this guy but before him she was a really reliable, and even loyal gf if you could believe it. That's why I think this thread applies to her perfectly - she went in with the idea that they could just be friends and look where it got her.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue are some females really that fucking dumb? i always assumed they know what they're doing and play it off like they don't

Honestly I don't know. Is either option really that great? Lol.

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Originally posted by TranceArmstrong hahah well she definitely put out a few signals to this guy but before him she was a really reliable, and even loyal gf if you could believe it. That's why I think this thread applies to her perfectly - she went in with the idea that they could just be friends and look where it got her.

See? She obviously neglects the fact that she has a vagina, and that's all it takes. Dumb bitch.

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Originally posted by jennypie See? She obviously neglects the fact that she has a vagina, and that's all it takes. Dumb bitch.

correlating with what i said before, i disagree. she's not dumb, just conniving. the friend was her backup in case the current relationship went down the shitter.

So then, dumb bitch?

i think the girls who sit there and insist that their guy friends don't want to fuck them and laugh and say things like "it's not like that!" are actually the ones who totally know that it IS like that, and it makes them feel better about themselves to have a bunch of dudes around her that want to fuck her. because really, it's safe to assume a girl like that doesn't have much personality to offer a guy, friendship-wise, to begin with, so that's all it's really about for the guy "friends" to her.

I couldn't fuck you, Jamie. You're like a sister to me.

That must be it. I refuse to believe anyone can be that stupid, otherwise.

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Originally posted by jennypie So then, dumb bitch?

good point

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Originally posted by jennypie That must be it. I refuse to believe anyone can be that stupid, otherwise.

i'm sayin!

You said it, sister!


*nods in agreement and snaps fingers*

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Originally posted by Slylee i think the girls who sit there and insist that their guy friends don't want to fuck them and laugh and say things like "it's not like that!" are actually the ones who totally know that it IS like that, and it makes them feel better about themselves to have a bunch of dudes around her that want to fuck her. because really, it's safe to assume a girl like that doesn't have much personality to offer a guy, friendship-wise, to begin with, so that's all it's really about for the guy "friends" to her.

so, putting yourself in the male's situation, knowing full well the motives of the female, how would you act then?

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