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Originally posted by cronodevir Well ok. I was going to say you cannot divide an object this way because objects don't contain an infinite amount of particles. And we know this because objects have relative size. But that works too :P

So we're getting into, what, quantum mechanics here? Seem to have strayed a little bit from the main topic. You're right, physical objects contain a finite number of particles (as far as we know), so you can't keep cutting one in half forever, but what does that have to do with... well, anything?

Lol It has nothing to do with music. But me and Eddie went into an off side discussion.

Yeah Subtle keep counting the number of pages you messed up in the first place. Let me post somewhere else so you can come argue with me and you can derail another thread shall we?

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Originally posted by Subtle +5 pages and counting...

lol we will just let them argue this one out

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Originally posted by cronodevir Except that I believe some people do objectively have more value than others. I suppose you consider that a problem. There are people better than me, and there are people who aren't, a lot [all] of it has to do with their reasoning, their ability to function. And to make sense and realize certain things about the world. A good example of an un reasonable or illogical person, the one that cannot differentiate between reality and imaginary. Take the notion that if you divide something in your mind by 50%, you will always have something there. Infinitely. While the reality is that no object is infinite and thus you cannot really divide something by 50% infinitely. The one that understands that is how it is. Is reasonable, and is better than the one who cannot. For Example. Or even more, "a thing must be to do". Many people cannot grasp that concept.

I believe the concept you're failing in its infinitely simple grasp is that you're not one of those people who is better than anyone else. Even if you were, I wouldn't accept, for a moment, maltreatment from you, based on such a hypothesis.

"A thing" or being "must be to do." That's not who you are.

This world is filled with people who seem to think that because of some accomplishment in this world, however meritorious, they deserve to crap on others who don't appear as capable or accomplished. I've run into the majority of these people in the retail sector.

The simple fact of the matter is that, when all is said and done, they feel a need to take a crap on someone else. Why they do that is because, in actuality, they're inadequate in one or more area of their life or they're just angry (and very often, both). They project their inadequacies and anger out onto others around them, but in reality, their ego is so inflated by whatever contribution they've made to society that they are blind to their own failings which cause them interminable suffering.

Your anger at everyone around you is a result of your failure. It's not due to anyone else's ability to measure up to your standards. It has everything to do with a pain that you carry around, all by yourself. No one else is responsible for your suffering except you.

Or, in layman's terms, he's an insecure douche canoe.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I believe the concept you're failing in its infinitely simple grasp is that you're not one of those people who is better than anyone else. Even if you were, I wouldn't accept, for a moment, maltreatment from you, based on such a hypothesis. "A thing" or being "must be to do." That's not who you are. This world is filled with people who seem to think that because of some accomplishment in this world, however meritorious, they deserve to crap on others who don't appear as capable or accomplished. I've run into the majority of these people in the retail sector. The simple fact of the matter is that, when all is said and done, they feel a need to take a crap on someone else. Why they do that is because, in actuality, they're inadequate in one or more area of their life or they're just angry (and very often, both). They project their inadequacies and anger out onto others around them, but in reality, their ego is so inflated by whatever contribution they've made to society that they are blind to their own failings which cause them interminable suffering. Your anger at everyone around you is a result of your failure. It's not due to anyone else's ability to measure up to your standards. It has everything to do with a pain that you carry around, all by yourself. No one else is responsible for your suffering except you.

But I'm not suffering [i'm actually lolling] Refer to my previous statement.

Treat others as they treat you. The reason I do this is to, if you will, be the mirror for everyone else. The only reason people get along here is because of a hierarchy. You have a few people with a common idea, and the people with opposing ideas do not speak because of that. I speak. Usually it becomes 4 against 1 anyways [which makes it a waste of time] But that is how it is. There is no real unity here. Only peoples desire to fit in with everyone else so they feel they need to conform with what those with influence have to say. So when Diginut or DJ RANN or you speak, no one says anything, because what is the point?

Though, I retract my statements about myself having a flaw, I do have a flaw. I disagree when the odds are not in my favor. I should be more like you and RANN who only agree when the odds are in *their* favor.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Or, in layman's terms, he's an insecure douche canoe.

I can't believe I found this in Google Image.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Or, in layman's terms, he's an insecure douche canoe.

Do you really think an internet forum makes one insecure?

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Originally posted by cronodevir But I'm not suffering [i'm actually lolling] Refer to my previous statement. Treat others as they treat you. The reason I do this is to, if you will, be the mirror for everyone else. The only reason people get along here is because of a hierarchy. You have a few people with a common idea, and the people with opposing ideas do not speak because of that. I speak. Usually it becomes 4 against 1 anyways [which makes it a waste of time] But that is how it is. There is no real unity here. Only peoples desire to fit in with everyone else so they feel they need to conform with what those with influence have to say. So when Diginut or DJ RANN or you speak, no one says anything, because what is the point? Though, I retract my statements about myself having a flaw, I do have a flaw. I disagree when the odds are not in my favor. I should be more like you and RANN who only agree when the odds are in *their* favor.

This is you trying to turn this into a discussion about how you, once again, are persecuted by many. It's amazing that there really is no arguing with you. You take anything that's said, out of context, and twist it to suit your own self-aggrandizement.

Do yourself a favor and Google Narcissism and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I'm not making the diagnosis but I am noting that a lot of the aspects of the way I see you relating to others, along with the rationalizations you use, I find very, very narcissistic.

This discussion has been like having a conversation with Stephen Colbert's persona on his show. You've found every possible rationalization to maintain the obduracy of your beliefs as plausible.



You're lolling in your roflcopter?




That's great, because you're lampooning yourself.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Do you really think an internet forum makes one insecure?

No, I think you are insecure. The fact that we're on an internet forum is incidental.

It is one against many. Though you yourself have never been in such a predicament.

And its not even that its one against many, its that people try to argue when there is no argument going on. The last bunch of posts between you and me. Do you see that as an argument? Its not an argument you know. I mean just watch, eventually someone will come in, tell me how wrong I am, not point out how or why I was wrong, and this discussion you and me are having will start over. And they will do that why?..because they see 3-4 people agreeing with each other *against* one guy. So the natural conclusion to many is that the one guy must be wrong about something.

You will even hear the people say this, "well if many people around you are saying your wrong, then maby it has something to do with you" As if what others say *is* the factor that determines if your own point is correct or incorrect. But again, Ive not been in many discussions here where there was even a point. Most of the time my posts are taken by themselves, and people don't generally have the ability to cross reference my post with what Ive said in previous posts in the same thread.

Ontop of all of that. Your trying to use the scapegoat that there is an issue with me and not others, buying into the quote I mentioned above. It is slightly on the Ad Hominem side...though I cannot say that because again we aren't in an argument. Your talking about me because there is no point you and me disagree at other than "why" we are disagreeing. You claim I disagree because of narcissism. And I claim its because well..there is nothing to agree or disagree about. And that it is that which is the usual case. Take for instance DJ RANN's first post. He first words are "You don't know what your talking about"..every sentence after that didn't conflict with anything I have said. So...what was the point?

anyways ... lol


using standard pc benchmarks like video games isn't really a great way for audio. Video Games have different needs. DAW also vary depending on the use. A recording rig needs fast hardrives. A rig for sample play back doesn't need a fast cpu, it needs lots of ram, and it also needs fast hardrives. And for what it is worth cronodevir, you aren't the most polite person on here and your posts do often warrant the rude responses you get. I try really hard to remain civil with you.

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Originally posted by RichieV using standard pc benchmarks like video games isn't really a great way for audio.

Sure, but in the context of this forum, I assume most people use their PCs for things other than dedicated audio. Audio is only about 50% of what I use my PC for. Misjudgment on my part? Sure. If we were in a sound engineering forum full of people who are obviously professionals. Talking about a video game rig would be pretty fallacious. But this is a casual website about trance music in general. Not John McSoundphiles Engineering forum.

On a average user level a PC that can run the latest game is usualy enough for your average Cubase or FLStudio user, which is what this forum is full of.

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Originally posted by cronodevir It is one against many. Though you yourself have never been in such a predicament.

I've been in "such a predicament" many times, and usually manage to stay reasonably on topic and not look like a total asshat in the process.

You don't say anything of substance; you just insult everybody else and change the subject when you get called on your B.S. If you're just trying to get a rise out of people, I would call that puerile. If on the other hand you seriously believe your own crap, then I strongly suggest getting your head examined.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Sure, but in the context of this forum, I assume most people use their PCs for things other than dedicated audio. Audio is only about 50% of what I use my PC for. Misjudgment on my part? Sure. If we were in a sound engineering forum full of people who are obviously professionals. Talking about a video game rig would be pretty fallacious. But this is a casual website about trance music in general. Not John McSoundphiles Engineering forum. On a average user level a PC that can run the latest game is usualy enough for your average Cubase or FLStudio user, which is what this forum is full of.

the context of this forum is that it is in the production area which would make video game benchmarks irrelevent. The context of this actual thread is that the OP made reference to how many vsts could be run. Nomatter how you look at it, video game benchmarks are not relevent in this particular thread.

And your comment regarding the latest pc being able to run the latest game as somehow a good indication that it is a good configuration? Surely you don't believe this. There is so much literature on certain MOBOS, great for gaming, a nightmare for audio. So many posts detailing how chipsets , that would be great for games , are again nightmare for audio. And that is just the MOBO and CPU. I could go on. A great video card is usually something you don't ever want for a DAW. Great gaming pcs tend to make lousy DAWs. Not saying it isn't possible. But video game pcs allocate all resources to run games, not audio software. The mobos do everything possible to speed up graphics slowing everything else on your bus ( audio card ).

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Originally posted by DigiNut I've been in "such a predicament" many times, and usually manage to stay reasonably on topic and not look like a total asshat in the process. You don't say anything of substance; you just insult everybody else and change the subject when you get called on your B.S. If you're just trying to get a rise out of people, I would call that puerile. If on the other hand you seriously believe your own crap, then I strongly suggest getting your head examined.

Lol coming from the guy whos first words to me were "your a fucking idiot" Ive not insulted anyone. If it seems like I have its a misunderstanding of my words on their part. I speak normally and expect others to follow it. I don't lower my standard of dialogue to accommodate people who easily misunderstand normal human speech.

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Originally posted by RichieV the context of this forum is that it is in the production area which would make video game benchmarks irrelevent. The context of this actual thread is that the OP made reference to how many vsts could be run. Nomatter how you look at it, video game benchmarks are not relevent in this particular thread.

This is as much of a production forum as it is a warez forum. If you want a serious production forum visit KVR. Though be careful what you say, the word "warez" has an automatic ban. I know from experience. The mods there are like Gestapo.

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Originally posted by cronodevir It is one against many. Though you yourself have never been in such a predicament.

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you."

I want to be abundantly clear, that I'm not considering you to have NPD. I have no basis for such a conclusion as I am not a qualified professional in psychology and do not have the ability to administer any sort of assessment that would prove otherwise.

Do I find your posts to be narcissistic? Absolutely, but I'll be away for a bit and need to leave shortly and don't have time to go and pick out the abundance of evidence you've supplied which supports my conclusion.

I don't dislike you, either.

But you have posted some incredibly stupid things which, on inspection, seem to be supported by some rather loopy reasoning and I'm all for poking at that, in part because it's funny.


I've trolled internet forums for quite a while, and having bored of it, I stopped trolling. I might take it up, again, but not here. If you think you're feeling any kind of heat, here, you're just plain wrong. I haven't trolled with just opinions I knew were invalid, either. I've trolled political forums, just telling the truth, and believe me, am quite expert at crowd and mobbing control. That was funny, too.

That said, you'd make a very good troll - if only you knew that you were trolling.

how is this a warez site ?

From what i've ascertained in the last month, this is a trance production site. Which is why i go on here because despite not making trance anymore, i still like to see what people are up to when i am not working on a project. EDM is generally quite cutting edge in regards to production which is why i find value in popping in here every now and then.

Being myself someone that has a rather poor internet etiquette, i think your ideas are not getting across because of you wash them in inflammatory junk that doesn't add to what you want to say. I think this is the main cause of everyone being a little upset by your posts.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you." I want to be abundantly clear, that I'm not considering you to have NPD. I have no basis for such a conclusion as I am not a qualified professional in psychology and do not have the ability to administer any sort of assessment that would prove otherwise. Do I find your posts to be narcissistic? Absolutely, but I'll be away for a bit and need to leave shortly and don't have time to go and pick out the abundance of evidence you've supplied which supports my conclusion. I don't dislike you, either. But you have posted some incredibly stupid things which, on inspection, seem to be supported by some rather loopy reasoning and I'm all for poking at that, in part because it's funny. I've trolled internet forums for quite a while, and having bored of it, I stopped trolling. I might take it up, again, but not here. If you think you're feeling any kind of heat, here, you're just plain wrong. I haven't trolled with just opinions I knew were invalid, either. I've trolled political forums, just telling the truth, and believe me, am quite expert at crowd and mobbing control. That was funny, too. That said, you'd make a very good troll - if only you knew that you were trolling.

I know what trolling is. Trolling is the act of giving information on a subject when you are surrounded by people who disagree. Imagine what happened when I tried to tell people why paper money is destroying the world. And why feminism is the destruction of the west. ... To Europeans. Lets not even get into the many debates on why someone else s belief system is wrong.

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Originally posted by RichieV how is this a warez site ? From what i've ascertained in the last month, this is a trance production site. Which is why i go on here because despite not making trance anymore, i still like to see what people are up to when i am not working on a project. EDM is generally quite cutting edge in regards to production which is why i find value in popping in here every now and then.

That is the point, TA is not a warez site.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Lol coming from the guy whos first words to me were "your a fucking idiot" Ive not insulted anyone.

Those weren't my first words, they were only the words I used after I realized that you were in fact a fucking idiot. And I can assure you that I would not have written "you're" is "your".

Speaking of not insulting anyone, here is something that is definitely not an insult to anyone:

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I don't lower my standard of dialogue to accommodate people who easily misunderstand normal human speech.

Not to mention every second post from you about how I haven't produced any tracks and lack basic skills and therefore must be jealous of yours. Although those posts are at least somewhat amusing on account of being absurdly off-base, like some derelict running around the streets naked with a tinfoil hat screaming that they're controlling our minds with laser beams from space.

That isn't an insult. Its not insulting to call someone out on a problem they have IF they do in fact have a problem.

Its not an insult to call a crackhead a crackhead, an alcoholic and alcoholic. Etc Etc...

I talk about your production skills because you always seem to think I am boasting about mine. So obviously you must not be very far if you think playing improvise melodies or using 3osc to making nice big sounds is impressive. And if you didn't think they were impressive you wouldn't have thought I was boasting about something.

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Originally posted by cronodevir That is the point, TA is not a warez site.

So people on here don't know how to produce music?
You really believe that ? Do you say this from experience or just from what others have told you.

While Cronodevir thinks this thru. I am willing to bet this place has enough members on here that have made some significant releases in the genre. I tend to be here every 6 months for a month or so maybe i'm wrong. The signal to noise ratio here is not really that bad compared to alot of places including KVR.

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Originally posted by RichieV So people on here don't know how to produce music? You really believe that ? Do you say this from experience or just from what others have told you.

Its not about the people here. Most people didn't buy their software either.

Point is the quality of production advice and information here, compared to a myriad of other places is very low. Most of the information here is based on what people heard on another forum. As mentioned before, there isn't even a music theory section. Ontop of that the tutorial master list threads are a decade old.

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Originally posted by cronodevir That isn't an insult. Its not insulting to call someone out on a problem they have IF they do in fact have a problem.

The operative word is "if". Assuming said problem to be true when you have no evidence of it, or even any rational reason to assume it, is an insult - and a very juvenile one.

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I talk about your production skills because you always seem to think I am boasting about mine. So obviously you must not be very far if you think playing improvise melodies or using 3osc to making nice big sounds is impressive. And if you didn't think they were impressive you wouldn't have thought I was boasting about something.

Incorrect. What I've called you out on is overrating your own "skills" - such as claiming to be able to duplicate any sound from z3ta+ on 3xOsc, or claiming that you did an orchestral piece without any large samples. You don't even possess the requisite knowledge to realize that other people are talking about beasts that are very different from your piddly-ass patches and projects. To you, there is only your world, and anything that anyone else can do, you can do better.

Read my earlier post again. I said you were boasting about nonsense - things that you couldn't possibly back up and/or things that nobody cares about. That's a far cry from being impressed or envious.

I was using 3xOsc and 2048-sample latency 4 years ago. I've moved on.

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Originally posted by cronodevir As mentioned before, there isn't even a music theory section.

Why would there be a music theory section? That isn't something you should be learning about exclusively on an internet forum. It's like asking why there isn't a chip design forum on a computer discussion board. It takes time, patience, and practice to learn properly, and there already exist numerous formal teaching methods.

Again and again you reveal your ignorance...

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