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Originally posted by cammaxwell As I stated above, she has apparently confesed to her part during her second or third interview by police.

Whoops, missed that.. At any rate, I don't think there'll be a lot of public support for cutting a deal after monsters like Karla Homolka, especially this early in the investigation.

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Originally posted by Dior Homme Yes, its been two days and they only have an 'idea' of where it is. They could be even looking in the wrong place as well.

Well, apparently there looking in the right place. Near a rock pile, under a big tree, and also in some dumpster. They looked there originally, and the girl even went with them there to look too so you would think they would find something?

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Originally posted by Jer Whoops, missed that.. At any rate, I don't think there'll be a lot of public support for cutting a deal after monsters like Karla Homolka, especially this early in the investigation.

Yeah, I agree totally, but they may of had to in order to find out the truth and especially where the body was. I still think she can get a pretty steep sentence though.

I hate not having all the detials too!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Jer Whoops, missed that.. At any rate, I don't think there'll be a lot of public support for cutting a deal after monsters like Karla Homolka, especially this early in the investigation.

Unfortunately, the accuseds have the right to remain silent. They don't have to say anything or help anybody. Statements and help from the lesser of the co-accused is often necessary to get the real or greater murderer. Often without their testimiony or assistance, the victims may never be found, and in some cases, the real killer would never be found.

So with her assistance, the family of the child will have some form of closure, have something to bury, and the boyfriend will be sent to jail for life because of more concrete evidence, as murder cases are much harder to convict when there is no body. This is a fact. It's unfortunate, but it's for the greater good.

Regarding rock piles.... Every farmer has one. This will be a challenge for the police. When farmers clear woods and land to grow a crop, the earth is full of stones and large rocks. Farm kids like myself combed the field and threw the stones on to a moving tractor. It was hard labour, but I digress... the stones are then dumped in a back corner of the lot or along the fence lines. There's a lot of rock piles for them to go in the region.

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Originally posted by plaxx I know that's how it works, and I'm inclined to agree with latter post. They probably dropped the murder charge and stuck her with accessory to murder instead. But again, there is a lot of information that they haven't told us. I would've been pissed because what deal could they cut on someone who is charged with Accessory to Murder, and Abduction ... 6 months in jail, and community service?

Would you rather have 2 murder charges they can't prove, or 1 murder charge that's locked in with testimony from a complicit party?

2 murder charges with little evidence doesn't do any justice for anyone, wouldn't you agree?

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Originally posted by Skipper Would you rather have 2 murder charges they can't prove, or 1 murder charge that's locked in with testimony from a complicit party?

Can't prove yet.

This same bullshit happened when Homolka went to the CA looking for a plea bargain before anyone (investigators included) knew the full extent of her involvement. I don't know about anyone else, but this situation with McClintic REEKS of what happened with Bernardo / Homolka. I really hope that the Crown doesn't let this inhunman creature bargain her way into a deal just to find a body a few days early. I've spent a bit of time 'round Woodstock & area, I guarantee you not one of those white trash, inbred banjo-playing mother******s that we've seen in interviews has the good sense to clean behind their ears let alone hide a goddamned body, much less with half the province of ontario (and hundreds of its law enforcement personnel) looking for it.

It's tragic, but she's gone and not coming back alive. What drives me nuts is that I keep hearing "bring Tori home" / "can't stress the importance and significance of", etc etc.. These degenerate fucks killed her and left her to rot and it's not going to be a pretty sight when they *do* find her. There will be NO justice unless ALL those responsible for this little girl's death are brought to answer for their crime - For the Crown to act in any other manner is an outright perversion of the judicial system.

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Originally posted by Jer I don't know about anyone else, but this situation with McClintic REEKS of what happened with Bernardo / Homolka.

I think that's a pretty big stretch, given how little information has been released about what happened. And I also don't think you can speak about the importance of finding your dead child's body until you actually go through it yourself. It's comical that people critque the parents' response, as you're doing, when they have absolutely no clue what it's like to be in their shoes.

My mom just called me... The reporters came up to her, and her interview will be on the A-Channel News tonight. I have no idea what she'll say.

It really hits close to home, and Gad forbid Tori is found in my parents' woods. She shares the same sentiment as other residents of the area that everyone hopes she is found soon, just not in their back yards.

The girl has now been charged with Tori's murder too, I bet this is because she couldn't help them locate the body...


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If they're lawyers are smart they would be telling them to shut up. I could see them getting off now if no body is found. She may have signed a confession though originally, but he could definitely get off...

Hope they find the body and get convictions!

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Originally posted by cammaxwell The girl has now been charged with Tori's murder too, I bet this is because she couldn't help them locate the body... SOURCE If they're lawyers are smart they would be telling them to shut up. I could see them getting off now if no body is found. She may have signed a confession though originally, but he could definitely get off... Hope they find the body and get convictions!

Hmmmmm... what an interesting turn of events... He's the one keeping quiet.... and she opens her mouth and gets her charge upgraded.... could it be her upgrade may become a downgrade for him in the near future?

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Originally posted by cammaxwell Hope they find the body and get convictions!

I couldn't find any information on this via Google, but I know it's the case in many American states - is the body really required? If there are charges laid, it's because the CA believes that it can prove those charges beyond a reasonable doubt.

This is an interesting turn of events, though!

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Originally posted by Jer I couldn't find any information on this via Google, but I know it's the case in many American states - is the body really required? If there are charges laid, it's because the CA believes that it can prove those charges beyond a reasonable doubt. This is an interesting turn of events, though!

I think they laid the original charges because of her confession. That alone may get her convicted, but without any other evidence he may get off. Although he may have buckled under the pressure and confessed too? They definitely want the back seat of his car though!!!

She may even be able to say she made the whole thing up for attention and possible get off? Until we know what either of them said it's a total unknown.

I hate not knowing something!!!!!!!!

EDIT: yeah, I'm not 100% but I don't think you need a body in Ontario. Did Bernardo get convicted for killing a Jane Doe because they had the video but no body?

What bugs me is that they could get life in prison. Any prison time for people who do such things is a waste of MY tax money...

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Originally posted by miljan What bugs me is that they could get life in prison. Any prison time for people who do such things is a waste of MY tax money...

With any luck they'll get thrown into General Population one day and the result will be a few tax dollars saved.

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Originally posted by miljan What bugs me is that they could get life in prison. Any prison time for people who do such things is a waste of MY tax money...

I honestly would rather see people like that suffer for life than have a quick and easy end. Killing them would be an easy way out for them, I want people like to suffer and to think about what they've done.

Although, at least in Gen Pop the end to there life would be painful....

As a police officer, I can tell you that a body is NOT required to lay a murder charge; however, since your entire case becomes circumstantial, the crown attorney will need a considerable amount of evidence to prove that she is dead - hence the search for the backseat.

I can pretty much guarantee that there was a deal in place for McClintic - give us the body AND testify against him and we won't upgrade the charges. Since she couldn't provide squat, she gets the murder charge now. At this point, they don't have ANY clue where the body is.

Could either of them walk? Highly unlikely. In all likelihood, there is fibre/hair evidence in the car that indicates that Tori was in it, and there is some evidence (not released to media) that Rafferty was driving when Tori was taken. Obviously, McClintic isn't going to walk considering she was caught on camera with Tori. Expect her to plead out.

Although a kidnapping conviction is pretty much a slam dunk, the Crown has a lot of work to do in order to get a murder conviction and at this point, I'm not so certain that there's enough evidence yet. There's a lot of reasonable doubt out there. Either defendent can point the finger at each other, or a third party. Let's not forget Tara MacDonald either. Consider that she has orchestrated a media circus around her daughter's disappearance and has repeatedly changed her story to fit whatever details are introduced, she has created her own motive - attention seaker. She hasn't done anything yet to rule her out as a suspect.

so weird this whole thing!

i want to know what happened dammit!

i am sure the mother/father feel 1 million times more frustrated. i would need to know what happened.

this has been the most mysterious murder case in a while, usually police can't wait to blab their mouths off.

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Originally posted by nacarter Could either of them walk? Highly unlikely. In all likelihood, there is fibre/hair evidence in the car that indicates that Tori was in it, and there is some evidence (not released to media) that Rafferty was driving when Tori was taken.

I would assume all that evidence was in the back seat and they can't find that now....

As horrible as it is, I hope they find the body so they can nail both of them!

The detective work in this thread cracks me up.
2 pages ago everyone was screaming it was the mother. You guys would be great cops!

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Originally posted by Skipper The detective work in this thread cracks me up. 2 pages ago everyone was screaming it was the mother. You guys would be great cops!

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