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Posted by ChemEnhanced on May-13-2009 12:58:

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Originally posted by Stilez
Woohoo! Best news.
I'm just glad that we're now going to be taken serious and seen as legit by those who complained that we hadn't played the Yanks, Sox, or Rays yet.

Hopefully we sweep the series.

I wouldn't say beating a broken Yanks team with your best pitcher is enough to say the Jays are a legit contender. Lets see how the series plays out between the Yanks and then the series with the Sox before we start riding our high horse.

Posted by daves on May-13-2009 14:07:

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I wouldn't say beating a broken Yanks team with your best pitcher is enough to say the Jays are a legit contender. Lets see how the series plays out between the Yanks and then the series with the Sox before we start riding our high horse.

We've won almost every series, have not lost more than 2 games in a row, have weathered out a Boston 12-game win streak without dropping from the top spot for more than a game, our ace pitcher tops the majors in wins... yeah i would say we are definitely looking like a contender.

Posted by ChemEnhanced on May-13-2009 14:21:

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Originally posted by daves
We've won almost every series, have not lost more than 2 games in a row, have weathered out a Boston 12-game win streak without dropping from the top spot for more than a game, our ace pitcher tops the majors in wins... yeah i would say we are definitely looking like a contender.

The Jays are doing great right now but its still too early to even suggest they will be contenders in August or September.

They've won a lot of games against bad teams.

Baltimore - last in AL EAST
Cleveland - Last in AL CENTRAL
Oakville - last in AL WEST

They have won seven games against teams with above 500 records.

Posted by Big Boss on May-13-2009 14:39:

Newsflash: The Jays are good, but not great. This start is due to the weaker teams they have faced.

The pitching staff can't hold up over 162 games. The hitting, while torrid, will not last the whole season. Rios and Wells suck too much and I don't know if Lind and Hill can carry the offense.

This team reminds me of the Arizona Diamondbacks of last year. They started 20 and 8 and finished the season 82 and 80.

Hell, look at the Florida Marlins this year. Great young hitting and pitching staff. They started the season 11 and 1 and since that start, they are 6 and 15.

Now the Jays won't slip like the Marlins, but they will slide.

Posted by daves on May-13-2009 14:39:

when they tally up wins to determine the win/loss average and games back... it doesn't care which wins came from better versus worse teams.

the numbers don't discriminate

Posted by exstasie on May-13-2009 14:42:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
The Jays are doing great right now but its still too early to even suggest they will be contenders in August or September.

They've won a lot of games against bad teams.

Baltimore - last in AL EAST
Cleveland - Last in AL CENTRAL
Oakville - last in AL WEST

They have won seven games against teams with above 500 records.

GO OAKVILLE GO!!!

But they had a stat somewhere yesterday, and it showed that against the teams the Jays have already played, they were .667 against them year...

aka...if we want to do well this year, we just have to do well in our division (which will be tough like usual).

But were off to a good start so far!

Posted by ChemEnhanced on May-13-2009 14:48:

quote:
Originally posted by daves
when they tally up wins to determine the win/loss average and games back... it doesn't care which wins came from better versus worse teams.

the numbers don't discriminate

your right they don't...but maybe they should. The team looks better then they actually are because they haven't played as many games against above 500 teams.

Toronto will not win the AL East but may contend for the wild card spot because the American League is terrible. The wild card will come out of the AL East and if the Yanks get their shit together it could be a very interesting race.

Posted by ChemEnhanced on May-13-2009 14:50:

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Originally posted by exstasie
if we want to do well this year, we just have to do well in our division (which will be tough like usual).

But were off to a good start so far!

the only two teams they need to worry about in the AL east are the Yanks and the Sox....so far they are 1-0.....with how many games left?

Posted by daves on May-13-2009 14:55:

one thing i dont like is that Halladay wont be pitching in either of the 2 bosox series' coming up this month

Posted by ChemEnhanced on May-13-2009 15:10:

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Originally posted by daves
one thing i dont like is that Halladay wont be pitching in either of the 2 bosox series' coming up this month

The jays really should consider throwing Doc in there on three days rest with a pitch count. I would rather have Doc on a pitch count out there then any other starter on the team

Posted by exstasie on May-13-2009 15:11:

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
the only two teams they need to worry about in the AL east are the Yanks and the Sox....so far they are 1-0.....with how many games left?

We play each team 18 times.

So far we've played 1/36 games against our main competition.

Posted by terrytutone on May-13-2009 15:18:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Lets see how the series plays out between the Yanks and then the series with the Sox before we start riding our high horse.

When have the Jays ever had a problem with the Yankees or Red Sox? I was always a little more worried when the Jays played the shit teams. Which they never seemed capable of beating.

As for Doc pitching in the RS series. He has played on the three days many times in the past. Whether or not Cito will play him on three days, i don't know. My guess is No.

Posted by Big Boss on May-13-2009 15:23:

The Jays won't pitch Halladay on short rest in May. It makes no sense. This year isn't supposed to be a contending year for the Jays, anyway. It's 2010 that's going to be the big year.

Posted by exstasie on May-13-2009 15:25:

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Originally posted by terrytutone
When have the Jays ever had a problem with the Yankees or Red Sox? I was always a little more worried when the Jays played the shit teams. Which they never seemed capable of beating.

As for Doc pitching in the RS series. He has played on the three days many times in the past. Whether or not Cito will play him on three days, i don't know. My guess is No.

Here was our 2008 Record:

vs. BAL (12-6)
vs. BOS (9-9)
vs. CWS (7-1)
vs. CLE (1-6)
vs. DET (5-3)
vs. KC (5-2)
vs. LAA (3-6)
vs. MIN (6-0)
vs. NYY (9-9)
vs. OAK (6-4)
vs. SEA (4-5)
vs. TB (7-11)
vs. TEX (4-4)
vs. NL (8-10)

Posted by terrytutone on May-13-2009 15:36:

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Originally posted by exstasie
Here was our 2008 Record:

vs. CLE (1-6)
vs. SEA (4-5)
vs. TB (7-11)
vs. TEX (4-4)
vs. NL (8-10)

These are painful.

Posted by exstasie on May-13-2009 15:56:

Here's some good detailed stats about the Jays:

Record against teams so far this year + how many games remaining + record by divison:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_T...Detailed_record

Posted by daves on May-13-2009 16:04:

i wouldnt mind seeing the above numbers but with the games from before gibbons' dismissal removed

Posted by exstasie on May-13-2009 17:27:

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Originally posted by daves
i wouldnt mind seeing the above numbers but with the games from before gibbons' dismissal removed

Here, do the math lol

He was fired June 20th

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_T...season#Game_log

Posted by exstasie on May-13-2009 22:42:

Boy is it great seeing this on the main MLB page:

quote:
Yankees try to slow down best team in Majors

Posted by ChemEnhanced on May-14-2009 12:58:

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Originally posted by exstasie
Boy is it great seeing this on the main MLB page:

well they slowed them down last night.....I suspect more of the same tonight.

Posted by daves on May-14-2009 13:43:

yeah richmond got smoked... he was wild and all over the place, and they were hitting his slider like nothing

on the bright side... boston lost theirs and stay at a full game back, the yanks are still 5 1/2 games back... not a major problem at this time.

let's see what tallet can do tonight

Posted by Dj Smitty20 on May-15-2009 21:02:

I haven't read through this thread because I find Toronto Blue Jay fans to be even worse than most Leafs fans.

"It's all the Yankees fault that we don't win, bla bla bla bla". Fucking whiners, the lot of you.

Check back in September and we'll see who's on top.

Posted by dast on May-15-2009 21:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
I haven't read through this thread because I find Toronto Blue Jay fans to be even worse than most Leafs fans.

"It's all the Yankees fault that we don't win, bla bla bla bla". Fucking whiners, the lot of you.

Check back in September and we'll see who's on top.

they'll have a wild card spot 100%

Posted by Dj Smitty20 on May-15-2009 22:00:

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Originally posted by dast
they'll have a wild card spot 100%

there's only 1 wild card spot in each League. It's still quite early. the Red Sox and Yankees are right there, and Tampa is still lurking. Let's see if Toronto's bats keep it up. I really wouldn't be expecting a playoff birth unless the Jays are in this position well after the All Star break.

Posted by revival on May-17-2009 23:48:

Sweep!

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