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Originally posted by cronodevir You are British? Funny, most Brits don't consider themselves European.

Oh fucking please do enlighten me you racist cocknocker, so how many British people have you met that DON'T consider themselves European?
Here's hint: BRITAIN is part of Europe, Goegraphically, historically and culturally. You'd know that if you ever took your dads cock out of your mouth and left your backwoods inbreeding unkle fucking cult.

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Originally posted by cronodevir You got relatives that didn't do shit for me, so? Fuck you and them. Your relatives fought for people who wanted destroy Nazi Germany, then use those same propaganda tactics and methods they destroyed to ruins its own people. If anything America and Europe was destroying competition. I'm upset because the "holocaust", an event where many people died, Jews being a small minority of those people, Is used as a scapegoat to condemn any and all negative views against them. Its because of that bullshit that no one says anything when they wipe out large populations of people in Palestine. Germany, you just admitted they want to control the thoughts of the people, """they just banned a further expansion of religious studies in german schools becuase they said they would prefer to teach morals through educated values rather than pervasive religious ideology.""" so basically they only want the state to decide right and wrong, they don't want competition from an religious judgment on an issue. Sounds Orwellian to me. Sounds a wee bit like communism too. I also don't give a fuck who my words are hurtful to. Fuck them. Its a war people die oh well. But I'm not going to lie about that war and keep of a facade about what did or did not happen. History is written by the winners you know. Because people lied about the holocaust and I realized they did, I'm now a racist? ...lol You Fox News puppy. Look at your reaction to my mere notion that the holocaust was blurred. You called me a Nazi and a Racist. And you have the audacity to say you are a free open minded individual? DJ RANN, you and your government [and, by proxy, your society] are the crux of Orwellian society. Tis the truth.

"Lied about the holocaust and I realized it?"

Wow. Cvnt of the year goes to Chronodivir.

You are just showing to everyone out there what an outstanding cvntbubble of a mistake you are to your mother.

If ever I've seen a reason for pro choice - you're it.

You have as little grasp on world history as you do about latency and in a funny way they are both related. Go figure....

The Holocaust (and you're even more of a cvnt than I thought for putting it in ""'s ) in which you think a "small amount of jews died" was vastly jewish deaths. Please do tell us all who the MAJORITY of deaths were in the holocaust?

You're one of those paranoid little cousin fiddlers that thinks that the jews want to take your guns.

And hate to point his out but if you've watched the news (ever) you'll know it's america that allows the Israel to get away with killing palestinians - but you know what - speak to some young Israeli's (if you ever leave Jonestown) - they're sick of the war and want to live in peace. Without American support (financial and military) Israel as a state would collapse over night, so don;t try blaming anyone else.

And your view of Europe could not be further from the truth - and I'm being serious now:

Religion is at an all time low in Europe - less people go to church or pay attention to religious following than ever before, FACT.

German CHRUCHES (not the state) wanted more religous studies in school, and yes genius, when they're STATE schools, guess who runs them? (there's a reason for that if you can figure it out).

Guess where Charles Darwin was from? No? OK, what about atheism? One of our most celebrated and popular writers, Richard Dawkins, gets hate mail form the US, but in his own words "hardly ever at home" (UK).

In fact freespeech is so strong in some European countries that they have police divisions set up to protect thing like peadophillic discussion groups, as they believe the rights to discuss anything is sacred and nothing should be off limits under free speech.

And here's wher you've once agin got it all wrong - say what you want , but don't spout your anti-semetic vision and try to pass it off correcting history. go to Auswitch and see the gas chambers or mass graves - read the diaries of camp guards.

IT ISN'T A CONSPIRACY BY JEWS TO STEAL YOUR GUNS OR WOMEN - they got murdered in their millions and trying to say they didn't is the same as saying "Japan didn't get nuked - they're just making it up so we'll feel sorry for them and buy their electronics"

And yes it is racist to say it didn't happen because there's proof (not heresay) so saying it only serves one purpose which is to be hateful to a particular minority based on wher they're from. That's called racist.

Fox news? Murdoch is nearly as much of a cvnt as you, but at least he's sucessful.

Seriously, I'd feel sorry for you if you were not such an outstandingly poor excuse for a turd. You must be so scared of everyone in this world and have such a twisted view of life.

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Originally posted by cronodevir If you don't care because your music is free for instance, then who else cares?

Or in your case, free AND no one cares.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN bunch of bullshit

Look at DJ RANN everyone.

His reaction at the mere notion of that some information about the holocaust is inauthentic. One tiny little comment, a whimper, a peep. And he explodes into a violent outraged barbarian. It suits him well. And at the same time he has the audacity to say he is open minded. He can't even take one comment that goes against his views.

And anyone here has the audacity to say America is bad? DJ RANN is expressing typical European sentiments. Just look at all his illogical accusations about me, because I said one tiny comment.

DJ RANN you are pathetic, and its people like you that give Europe in general such a bad name that is has. No one outside of Europe likes Europe that much, because of the PC attitude that people like you have.

Ok, lets have peace in this thread, I didn't really make this thread to turn into a sidebar political debate it has evolved into. The thread's intention was really simple, to point out how great it is to be an underground music artist, because there are more freedoms to be oneself, and if your music is good or subjectively good to fans, then you can be successful, without some machine to support you or to stop you.

So lets just all drop it, and enjoy our freedoms =)

Even in an underground movement the people generally have a set of things they are for or against. So an artist if he intends to sell his music still needs to watch out.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker

Look, people are bigoted and prejudiced, all of us are in some way, that's called being human. If somebody says something that offends you, you need to handle it like the responsible adult you are: clear up the misunderstanding diplomatically, or tell the offender exactly what you think of his/her opinions. Telling your lawyers on them is childish, schoolyard behaviour.

Everybody can find some way to be upset about something. Part of growing up is learning that your values and your perception of the world are not universal. Speech codes only teach people to be more reticent, and we already keep far too many secrets from each other.

I believe in honesty, polite or not. Besides, it's not like I care what a bunch of sweaty bean bandits and toothless tea-sipping limey wankers think.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Look, people are bigoted and prejudiced, all of us are in some way, that's called being human.

Your hat is stupid. I'm bigoted against your hat!

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Originally posted by cronodevir Even in an underground movement the people generally have a set of things they are for or against. So an artist if he intends to sell his music still needs to watch out.

Not really, if his music is good. People buy the music, DJ's play the music, people dance to the music, not to the artist's views or ethics. I'm not saying electronic music artists should blatantly be unethical or politically incorrect, im just saying that its possible to not be perfect, and still be successful. It is the music that is being bought by the listeners first and foremost, not the baggage or the image, when it comes to underground music and a majority of electronic music. And I think that is a beauty of underground music/electronic music.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 that is based on objective observations

Objective - adj.

5. not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.

Observations - n.

1. an act or instance of noticing or perceiving.
2. an act or instance of regarding attentively or watching.
3. the faculty or habit of observing or noticing.
4. notice: to escape a person's observation.
5. an act or instance of viewing or noting a fact or occurrence for some scientific or other special purpose: the observation of blood pressure under stress.
6. the information or record secured by such an act.
7. something that is learned in the course of observing things: My observation is that such clouds mean a storm.
8. a remark, comment, or statement based on what one has noticed or observed.
9. the condition of being observed.

~Dictionary.com

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Originally posted by Kismet7 John Digweed, everything you hear out of his mouth is some fairytale bs.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I don't think Political Correctness is important in Underground Music.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 basically your purpose is to gently pinch my balls, right? right? right?

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Well i'm sure its because you are oblivious to the fact that some annoying nerds like to stroke my nuts, when i'd much rather prefer they would'nt. So yes it is ironic I get into these situations, when 100% of it is incited by some bored nerd.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Anyhow, finally someone is actually discussing the topic, instead of another bored lowlife attacking me

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Underground Artists and for the most part EDM artists don't have that sort of image to maintain.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 High 5, you win the internets! Thanks to the internet, idiots can win at something LOL. I dont get why people always try to attack me or my threads, I don't attack anyone else or their threads. Maybe cuz im politically incorrect LOL.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Overall, I think this an important dynamic that underground music and electronic music has.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 On TA hes not liked (well to the vocal minority at least), and the reason why he is not famous here, is because he doesn't follow the politics and what is ethical behvior for an artist, according to TA. Yet he is still very successful and enjoying his life. Which falls under one of the points i'm making through this thread.

I don't think any of these fit the criteria for objective observations. They're more qualified as subjective interpretations.

subjective - adj.

1. existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to objective ).
2. pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation.
3. placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.
4. Philosophy. relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself.
5. relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience.


interpretation - n.

1. the act of interpreting; elucidation; explication: This writer's work demands interpretation.
2. an explanation of the meaning of another's artistic or creative work; an elucidation: an interpretation of a poem.
3. a conception of another's behavior: a charitable interpretation of his tactlessness.
4. a way of interpreting.
5. the rendering of a dramatic part, music, etc., so as to bring out the meaning, or to indicate one's particular conception of it.


An objective observation would be that you are a young, narcissistic male with repressed sexual fantasies about men who you view as authoritarian. You probably don't know your father as well as most men do. Your parents are likely divorced and your mother obtained custody of you and compensated for the divorce by spoiling you.

You hold your own world view in high regard and view others who disagree with you with a great deal of hostility, particularly when the views of others threaten your own. The reason for the hostile reaction is because, while you present someone who is reasonably assured, your view of yourself from the inside is teetering and capricious, much like your parents' marriage. In order to compensate for the insecurity that arises, you lash out at anyone who presents a contrary view-point, as though attacking them allows you to protect the beliefs about yourself you hold dear. You, therefore, project your own perceived flaws out onto others.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Look, people are bigoted and prejudiced, all of us are in some way, that's called being human. If somebody says something that offends you, you need to handle it like the responsible adult you are: clear up the misunderstanding diplomatically, or tell the offender exactly what you think of his/her opinions. Telling your lawyers on them is childish, schoolyard behaviour. Everybody can find some way to be upset about something. Part of growing up is learning that your values and your perception of the world are not universal. Speech codes only teach people to be more reticent, and we already keep far too many secrets from each other. I believe in honesty, polite or not. Besides, it's not like I care what a bunch of sweaty bean bandits and toothless tea-sipping limey wankers think.

I apologize, but I don't think I really disagree with anything you've just said, so if you're taking issue with anything I may have said, please refer that to my counsel, Suleiman and Wittgenstein, LLP.










You'll be billed for the hours, of course.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Objective - adj. 5. not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion. Observations - n. 1. an act or instance of noticing or perceiving. 2. an act or instance of regarding attentively or watching. 3. the faculty or habit of observing or noticing. 4. notice: to escape a person's observation. 5. an act or instance of viewing or noting a fact or occurrence for some scientific or other special purpose: the observation of blood pressure under stress. 6. the information or record secured by such an act. 7. something that is learned in the course of observing things: My observation is that such clouds mean a storm. 8. a remark, comment, or statement based on what one has noticed or observed. 9. the condition of being observed. ~Dictionary.com I don't think any of these fit the criteria for objective observations. They're more qualified as subjective interpretations. subjective - adj. 1. existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to objective ). 2. pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation. 3. placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric. 4. Philosophy. relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself. 5. relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience. interpretation - n. 1. the act of interpreting; elucidation; explication: This writer's work demands interpretation. 2. an explanation of the meaning of another's artistic or creative work; an elucidation: an interpretation of a poem. 3. a conception of another's behavior: a charitable interpretation of his tactlessness. 4. a way of interpreting. 5. the rendering of a dramatic part, music, etc., so as to bring out the meaning, or to indicate one's particular conception of it. An objective observation would be that you are a young, narcissistic male with repressed sexual fantasies about men who you view as authoritarian. You probably don't know your father as well as most men do. Your parents are likely divorced and your mother obtained custody of you and compensated for the divorce by spoiling you. You hold your own world view in high regard and view others who disagree with you with a great deal of hostility, particularly when the views of others threaten your own. The reason for the hostile reaction is because, while you present someone who is reasonably assured, your view of yourself from the inside is teetering and capricious, much like your parents' marriage. In order to compensate for the insecurity that arises, you lash out at anyone who presents a contrary view-point, as though attacking them allows you to protect the beliefs about yourself you hold dear. You, therefore, project your own perceived flaws out onto others.

Thats funny, you have a definition in front of you, yet cant tell what is objective about the main points I have made thus far. And much of what you quoted, arent the observations, I guess you should look up observation next (o wait you already did! LOL_). So when are you going to make a relevant point towards the topic that you are so informed about, instead of this dilly dally dictionary business? I'd love to hear it.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Thats funny, you have a definition in front of you, yet cant tell what is objective about the main points I have made thus far. And much of what you quoted, arent the observations, I guess you should look up observation next. So when are you going to make a relevant point towards the topic that you are so informed about? I'd love to hear it.

Likewise

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Likewise

::crickets::

::waits::

nothing?

No well informed statements? I know, they've already been made

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Originally posted by Kismet7 No well informed statements? I know, they've already been made

I'm not pinching your balls. There's a well-informed statement.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I'm not pinching your balls. There's a well-informed statement.

That's too subjective.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Look at DJ RANN everyone. His reaction at the mere notion of that some information about the holocaust is inauthentic. One tiny little comment, a whimper, a peep. And he explodes into a violent outraged barbarian. It suits him well. And at the same time he has the audacity to say he is open minded. He can't even take one comment that goes against his views. And anyone here has the audacity to say America is bad? DJ RANN is expressing typical European sentiments. Just look at all his illogical accusations about me, because I said one tiny comment. DJ RANN you are pathetic, and its people like you that give Europe in general such a bad name that is has. No one outside of Europe likes Europe that much, because of the PC attitude that people like you have.

Europe has a bad name?

Have you actually seen any form of non-republican media in last 8 years?

Thought not.

I just call it like I see it. I saw bullshit, called it, on you.

You are convinced, in your won words, that the holocaust as we all know it, is a fabrication, so jews can use it as an excuse for propaganda.

Good going. Way to win friends and influence people.

Good luck out there in the real world. I hope you can kill in a single death move or run really,really fast.

Otherwise, you'll need to do what you should have done on here a long time: shut the fuck up, but this time, it will be for your sakes, as well as ours.

And Digi, why aren't you an active mod anymore? It could help a lot with what's and who has been going on here recently.

Final point, honesty is fine, but you know there's more than one way to say the same the same thing, even if it's not polite.

Oh yeah, I got good teeth and hate tea

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Originally posted by DJ RANN And Digi, why aren't you an active mod anymore?

I am wondering the same thing and wasn't even here for his tenure.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I am wondering the same thing and wasn't even here for his tenure.

Lol, I never had a tenure. I was never a mod. I don't know why everybody thinks I was.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Lol, I never had a tenure. I was never a mod. I don't know why everybody thinks I was.

Denial is the first admission!



EDIT: I think it's because you tend to make the most sense out of most people, here, coupled with the fact that you have prominence, sometimes as a thread-starter, in a couple of sticky threads.

Haha. Even if I were a mod, I think I'd only be closing the outright spam/warez threads. This isn't exactly the most intellectual political debate I've read in recent history or even the past 6.8 minutes, but let people blather on - it's good entertainment for those of us who take such things less seriously.

Edit responding to edit: The stickies may be part of it. And I wish I had more time to update them, for those people who are already brandishing their hunting knives. As for sense, well, that happens everywhere.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Haha. Even if I were a mod, I think I'd only be closing the outright spam/warez threads. This isn't exactly the most intellectual political debate I've read in recent history or even the past 6.8 minutes, but let people blather on - it's good entertainment for those of us who take such things less seriously. Edit responding to edit: The stickies may be part of it. And I wish I had more time to update them, for those people who are already brandishing their hunting knives. As for sense, well, that happens everywhere.

It's all entertainment, just wind them up and let them go...

Well you must have some mod access to create a sticky? Look FFS, just ask swamper to give you or mr mystery the keys already.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN It's all entertainment, just wind them up and let them go... Well you must have some mod access to create a sticky? Look FFS, just ask swamper to give you or mr mystery the keys already.

Mr. Mystery given the Mod keys?

Im all for there being a dedicated and active MOD here though.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Europe has a bad name? Have you actually seen any form of non-republican media in last 8 years? Thought not. I just call it like I see it. I saw bullshit, called it, on you. You are convinced, in your won words, that the holocaust as we all know it, is a fabrication, so jews can use it as an excuse for propaganda. Good going. Way to win friends and influence people. Good luck out there in the real world. I hope you can kill in a single death move or run really,really fast. Otherwise, you'll need to do what you should have done on here a long time: shut the fuck up, but this time, it will be for your sakes, as well as ours. And Digi, why aren't you an active mod anymore? It could help a lot with what's and who has been going on here recently. Final point, honesty is fine, but you know there's more than one way to say the same the same thing, even if it's not polite. Oh yeah, I got good teeth and hate tea

Who said the holocaust was a fabrication? Some open minded person you are, someone makes a comment and you lie about them, and the worst part is, you are seriously believing what you say.

When it comes to friends and influence? I have so many that my actions on some nooby internet forum don't need to be convincing to anyone. And when it comes to the real world, most agree with my sentiments, because my view is the popular one in reality and its right, but those who push this political correctness are in fact a minority. Despite the fact that their garbage gets the most news coverage. And many people as a result fall into this misguidance.

Why would I need to shut up when I am right and you are wrong? If anyone needs to "shut the fuck up" it is you.

I'll just sit over here and wait for you to over react and explode, its funny seeing your true colors.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Well you must have some mod access to create a sticky?

I made the threads, yes, but at the time I just asked the (semi-)active mod to sticky them, as a replacement for all of the other disorganized stickies that nobody read. It was an easy sell.

Seriously, this thread needs to be over with. Politics or ethics have absolutely nothing to do with music. Formats or standard you follow or break matter only if you use them well.

And while we're at it, why not discuss the ethics of DJing? LOL. "I think mixing with Ableton is not politically correct".

Props to the thread maker for being an absolute cvnt.

cronodevir i have to say that you are spouting some of the most asanine and distasteful bullshit i've ever seen on this forum. I love how you've got the opinion that you are holier than thou.

Your opinions are so undeniably useless. Do you shout "They took our jobs!" on a regular basis? what about "those jews in the media"?

I think you should have the right to voice your opinions, good on you. Where we differ is that I feel an opinion doesn't really matter unless you can actually justify yourself with some sort of logical basis. So far you have just been slandering people and then saying "OH BUT LOOK AT HIS REACTION" when they try and show how wrong you are.

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