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Originally posted by Meat187 Great! This topic never fails to create drama. I'll go to bed soon and happily await 10 pages of Slylee-flaming tomorrow.

good night! happy fudge packing

I think that marriage should legally by defined as a union between a man and a woman.

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Originally posted by R.j. I think that marriage should legally by defined as a union between a man and a woman.

YOU...........HOMOPHOBE!!!

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Originally posted by boris_the_bear YOU...........HOMOPHOBE!!!

Hey, hey, buster! Watch that tongue of yours. I'm simply expressing my opinion, which is explicitly protected by the first amendment; my grandpappi died in WW2 protecting our rights, and I hate to see jerkoffs such as yourself denying me said rights because of YOUR opinions.

by the way, Ladytron is such an awesome group: destroy everything you touch na na na na plaaaygirl, why are you sleeping in tomorrow's world, hey playgirl

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Originally posted by R.j. by the way, Ladytron is such an awesome group: destroy everything you touch na na na na plaaaygirl, why are you sleeping in tomorrow's world, hey playgirl

if that's the remix that sasha played in his bonaroo festival set then yes...great track. i think it's his own remix actually

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Originally posted by Slylee if that's the remix that sasha played in his bonaroo festival set then yes...great track. i think it's his own remix actually

Actchoolee, 'tis the original. I like none o' these remixes I've hark'd. Even my beloved Hot Chip hath fail'd me.

ooh i like hot chip. i wanna hear that one. sasha's remix is sick. i like the original too. i have a lot of their mp3s on my computer.

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Originally posted by Brian Scott Yes, I am Jewish

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Originally posted by Brian Scott This thread is merely a way to profess my beliefs with little to no reprocussions.

LOL you remember that holocaust thing? Shame that you are still here isn't it...

Nothing against Jews, just you in particular.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby LOL you remember that holocaust thing? Shame that you are still here isn't it...

asshole

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Originally posted by winston asshole

Hey, this thread lacks repercusions! LAY OFF!

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Killing people is very cheap. Doing it justly and with proper due process is very expensive. If you want to have a system where there is no appeals process or any sort of way to contest your sentence then by all means

That isn't what I said at all.

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Originally posted by Slylee good night! happy fudge packing

Is this Patrique? Jamie never says stuff like this.

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Originally posted by bas That isn't what I said at all.

It was though since you were replying to Jamie and concuring with her line of questioning... you asked how come it costs so much to kill someone... and I told you why and presented a scenario of why it is that way.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Hey, this thread lacks repercusions! LAY OFF!

make me.

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Originally posted by winston make me.

I don't think the death penalty is a good idea. There is too much risk of a false conviction. Going to prison is worse punishment anyway. That said, there needs to be greater capitalisation on prison labour, in my opinion. Everyone in prison should be working 9-5.

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Originally posted by Brian Scott Support for this statement?

there's plenty of data all over the net. go look it up yourself you lazy cunt.

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Originally posted by Slylee why are you guys so sympathetic for psychopaths who are beyond fixing? i mean seriously. i'm talking about repeat crackhead/rapists and people like jeffrey dalmer and pedophiles. they don't belong in society because they are permafucked. and prison is by no means a "rehabilitation institution" as much as they want to call it that. prison is counterproductive. and i'm talking about like the hard core prisons that carry murderers and rapists who are doing 15-life. just fucking kill them and let's move on. 'oh it costs money to kill them, bla bla bla'. no. shoot them in the head outside in the prison yard. how much does a bullet and a gun cost?

what you know about society or economics or politics or philosophy i could fit on the end of my dick.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what you know about society or economics or politics or philosophy i could fit on the end of my dick.

And we all know how small that is!

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov And we all know how small that is!

exactly! oh wait...

damn.

Huh, it's a good thing we leave these sort of decisions in the hands of people who in fact aren't stupid as hell...

Though I think it says enough about the US legal process that juries draw from the general populace, I suppose.

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Originally posted by R.j. Hey, hey, buster! Watch that tongue of yours. I'm simply expressing my opinion, which is explicitly protected by the first amendment; my grandpappi died in WW2 protecting our rights, and I hate to see jerkoffs such as yourself denying me said rights because of YOUR opinions.

nice. you must have missed the epic thread discussing gay rights to adopt children

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN brave and gentle and wise

Butsekz?

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Originally posted by Slylee prison is counterproductive. and i'm talking about like the hard core prisons that carry murderers and rapists who are doing 15-life. just fucking kill them and let's move on. 'oh it costs money to kill them, bla bla bla'. no. shoot them in the head outside in the prison yard. how much does a bullet and a gun cost?

What about cases like that of Ronald Cotton. The guy was convicted of rape and ended up actually serving 10.5 years of a life sentence based on the eyewitness testimony of his supposed victim before it turned out she was completely wrong and the real perpetrator was found. The guy lost 10 years of his life because of the faults inherent in the justice system. He ended up getting out because of luck, determination, and some level of intelligence. There are doubtless other cases where people end up serving life sentences because they aren't strong, or educated or lucky enough to fight their false conviction.

We know this is inevitable but it's the price we pay for order. People are wrongly convicted of serious crimes on a regular basis. And there is no reason to believe that all of those cases are discovered and the prisoner released. Under your system people like Ronald Cotton would be put to death. You're essentially calling for the state to knowingly kill innocent people. I don't know what kind of benefit could justify that price.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Denying someone their freedom, keeping them locked away like an animal with no chance of escape is far more of a punishment

That is what you think. The prisoners may also feel the same thing, but only in the beginning of their incarceration period. As they adjust to the new environment, they no longer mourn the loss of their freedom.

There is a very good lecture on the topic of "happiness" given by a social scientist on TED.com. The guy talks about how human beings adjust themselves to new circumstances, however unpleasant, and become happy again. You may think that prisoners or people with disabilities remain unhappy for life. But surprisingly that's not the case at all. Nor on the flip side, does a person who's won a multi- million dollar lottery remains happy for ever. I couldn't find that video, but I did find a paper that says the same thing.

HAPPINESS AND PUNISHMENT

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....ract_id=1241008

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When the state punishes a criminal, it purposely inflicts suffering on one of its citizens. If that act is to be justified, limits must be set on the amount and type of suffering that may be imposed. A justification therefore requires an understanding of the ways in which punishment actually inflicts suffering on those punished. How and to what extent do fines and incarceration negatively affect happiness or well-being? The answers might seem obvious, but as we have indicated in the context of civil settlement, 2 recent empirical work in behavioral psychology suggests otherwise. This empirical work reveals that people adapt to monetary fines far better than they expect. Paying a fine initially decreases an offender�s level of happiness, but that level rebounds quickly toward its initial state. Even large fines have only minor effects on the wellbeing of those who receive them, because people adjust quite easily to their new financial circumstances. Adaptation thus reduces heavily the punitive consequence of a fine. Prison has a more complicated effect on happiness. On the one hand, it is similar to a fine in that people adapt well to being in prison. Their happiness drops at the beginning and they expect it to remain low, but it rebounds impressively as they adjust to their new surroundings. On the other hand, virtually any period of incarceration, no matter how brief, has consequences that negatively affect prisoners� lives in ways that resist adaptation, even after they have been released. Prisoners are often abandoned by their spouses and friends, face difficulty finding and keeping employment, and must grapple with incurable diseases contracted during their incarceration. Thus, living in prison itself becomes less oppressive with time, but the effects of having been in prison tend to linger and to diminish happiness indefinitely.

The undesirable effects of incarceration are besides the point ofcourse, if we are strictly concerned with the effects of loss of freedom.

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Originally posted by astroboy What about cases like that of Ronald Cotton. The guy was convicted of rape and ended up actually serving 10.5 years of a life sentence based on the eyewitness testimony of his supposed victim before it turned out she was completely wrong and the real perpetrator was found. The guy lost 10 years of his life because of the faults inherent in the justice system. He ended up getting out because of luck, determination, and some level of intelligence. There are doubtless other cases where people end up serving life sentences because they aren't strong, or educated or lucky enough to fight their false conviction. We know this is inevitable but it's the price we pay for order. People are wrongly convicted of serious crimes on a regular basis. And there is no reason to believe that all of those cases are discovered and the prisoner released. Under your system people like Ronald Cotton would be put to death. You're essentially calling for the state to knowingly kill innocent people. I don't know what kind of benefit could justify that price.

yea well there are just as many guilty pieces of shit who get off every day too because of loopholes in the system. the system is fucked and abused/manipulated on a daily basis. it's just wrong. everything needs to be re-written to reflect modern society.

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