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Originally posted by boris_the_bear "Jewish" means a nationality rather than a specific country. Identifying what country was the Jew born in doesn't make a difference. There are few pure Israeli Jews. More like Russian Jews, German Jews, American Jews but it still implies that you have Jewish roots. Cosmopolitism. So enjoy eating a dick for breakfast, suskipunk p.s. really dude. stop being an annoying prick. get a fucking life.

Jewish, unless I'm mistaken, implies that the person is a follower of Judaiism, no?

"Nationality" on the other hand, implies belonging to a 'nation', ie. a country.

What he really means is Jewesque.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Jewish, unless I'm mistaken, implies that the person is a follower of Judaiism, no? "Nationality" on the other hand, implies belonging to a 'nation', ie. a country.

Jewish can also refer to a Semitic person. It would be like if 'negro' was a religion as well as a race: the term could still be used to talk about dark-skinned people living in America.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On What he really means is Jewesque.

I wonder if Boris has a 'jew-fro'?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Unless your mom is Jewish, you've really no business identifying yourself as such.

Did I? Cause I mentioned only the proportions..

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Jewish, unless I'm mistaken, implies that the person is a follower of Judaiism, no?

No. Read below

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Originally posted by Sushipunk "Nationality" on the other hand, implies belonging to a 'nation', ie. a country.

Not necessarily. "Jewish" is just like abstract "Caucasian", "Arab" etc. It means you have Jewish roots, whatever those Jews were. It does not strictly mean being cut and reading a Torah.

Are we finished?

I must be mistaken then. That's ok, I'm wrong plenty of the time.

I'm curious as to where this 'abstract Jewishness' comes from though. Surely from Judaiism?

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Originally posted by boris_the_bear "Jewish" means a nationality rather than a specific country. Identifying what country was the Jew born in doesn't make a difference. There are few pure Israeli Jews. More like Russian Jews, German Jews, American Jews but it still implies that you have Jewish roots. Cosmopolitism. So enjoy eating a dick for breakfast, suskipunk p.s. really dude. stop being an annoying prick. get a fucking life.

dude chill. How was he being a prick?

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Originally posted by boris_the_bear Did I? Cause I mentioned only the proportions.. No. Read below Not necessarily. "Jewish" is just like abstract "Caucasian", "Arab" etc. It means you have Jewish roots, whatever those Jews were. It does not strictly mean being cut and reading a Torah. Are we finished?

most probably that 25% you say is extremley diluted. Sure you're probably also egyptian or arab as the original ashkenazi. Seeing that your mom is ukranian are you telling me that through 10,000 years of generations your paternal side continued to mate with ahkenazi's up until the generation before you? I find that highly unlikley. The truth is Judaism is a faith, and although its frowned upon for people to convert you still do have converts. There are indian chinese and Ethiopian jews as well. IF your dad is ukranian and your mom is ukranian, i would say its safer to say that you are ukranian rather then of ashkenazi jew decent. GEnetically it sounds more logical. You are jewish meaning you follow the jewish faith.

Otherwise everyone else here might as well say "oh i'm part nambian from africa"

of course thats where we trace back some of the first human tribes lol.

So you can try as hard as you can to conserve that 2% ashkenazi in you unless you have confirmation from your paternal side that they solely mated with ashkenazi's, your far from 25% original jewish tribe. It would probably be safer to say that you are of the jewish faith, then the original jewish people.

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Originally posted by Rose dude chill. How was he being a prick?

lol he thinks he's being a prick because he has no evidence that he is fully linked back to the original ashkenazi's. And that being simply of the faith is somewhat seemed as subordinate to him.

I think sushi raised a logical question. I would like to find out why alot of jews think like this as well. They consider themselves more of a race then a relgion. I would like to hear a good explanation behind the reasoning instead of bantering and insulting people for raising the question as boris is doing.

It is very interesting I agree. Genetically, they are very close to Arabs/Persians afaik so I don't see why they seem to think they are a separate race.

Well I can think of a few other people who thought they were a completely separate race...

It is definately a unique phenomenon and I have always wondered about if the genetic makeup of Jews really points towards their so called pure heritage.

this is why the term "arab jews" for example can be seen as controversial. Then it is argued that they were just jews living in Arab lands. Fair enough, what about Berber jews, Kurdish jews, etc?

edit: these groups assimilated into their local cultures gracefully, and it was only when the immigrations started that these groups reunited with their "real" culture abandoning language/customs/etc.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid

Why don't you just post pictures of hitler?

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I just meant way back. Both mum and dad's families are Australian for about 4 or 5 generations. Before that, it was mostly Scottish, French and German.

Yea I actually also have my grandfather's side going back to the 1850's in Australia. The rest of the family I guess would be originally from somewhere in eastern Europe (Poland, Austria, Hungary, I believe).

pretty sure i am a descendant of ghengis khan


he raped my grandma x500

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi It is definately a unique phenomenon and I have always wondered about if the genetic makeup of Jews really points towards their so called pure heritage. this is why the term "arab jews" for example can be seen as controversial. Then it is argued that they were just jews living in Arab lands. Fair enough, what about Berber jews, Kurdish jews, etc? edit: these groups assimilated into their local cultures gracefully, and it was only when the immigrations started that these groups reunited with their "real" culture abandoning language/customs/etc.

You're pretty much right on this one. There's no real way to prove it with most Jewish people I suppose although I do know for a fact that DNA testes were done that linked Jews from different parts of the world to the same source in the Middle East (or at least something along those lines). Personally though I was born in Israel and my extended family is very Jewish for the most part, so I don't have any doubts about myself.

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Originally posted by Adam420 You're pretty much right on this one. There's no real way to prove it with most Jewish people I suppose although I do know for a fact that DNA testes were done that linked Jews from different parts of the world to the same source in the Middle East (or at least something along those lines). Personally though I was born in Israel and my extended family is very Jewish for the most part, so I don't have any doubts about myself.

even then its difficult to prove as jewish people have been dispursed all over the world. I guess the only way to really know is a DNA test.

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Originally posted by LoveHate pretty sure i am a descendant of ghengis khan he raped my grandma x500

hello there distant cousin

100% guat.

most of the jews in america are polish, german or russian right? jew is just a religiion not a nationality.

my great grandpa was a german jew. you didn't see me say i'm part jewish because that would be retarded. i said i'm part german. jewish is a religion.

A friend in high school once said he was 50% American, 50% Filipino and 50% Jewish...


man he was dumb...

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Originally posted by nchs09 100% guat.

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Originally posted by Zild allen (black/mexican indian)

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Originally posted by schr�dingerwin that's in belize.

close enough they are neighbours

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