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Posted by Domesticated on Jul-13-2009 01:31:

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Originally posted by Slylee
lol

prove me wrong.

How do you explain that families with three healthy, adjusted and successful children can have one severely mentally ill sibling?

Posted by l�cid on Jul-13-2009 01:34:

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Originally posted by Domesticated
How do you explain that families with three healthy, adjusted and successful children can have one severely mentally ill sibling?

maybe mom was only doing crack for those nine months.

Posted by Damerchi on Jul-13-2009 01:40:

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Originally posted by Slylee
same statistics for mothers who smoke or do anything wrong during pregnancy. i've read articles/studies too

ps - drug abuse is genetic too?

drug use and mental illness are correlated, but that cannot pinpoint the causation. Personally I side with the arguement that the mentally ill are more inclined to use drugs because they have an underlying condition, rather than the drug use causing the condition itself.

If you look at Pakistani immigrants in the UK, I think this would be a good a sample of relatively non substance using people. They showed a much higher rate of genetic abnormalities than the normal population at birth, albeit there is generations of inbreeding to contribute to this.

Fucking around during pregnancy is obviously going to make things worse and I don't condone it, but you can't negate all the cases of people that come from good homes that inherit the condition.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jul-13-2009 01:45:

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Originally posted by Slylee
lol

prove me wrong.

I don�t have to prove you wrong. You have to prove yourself right, as you are the one making the assertion.

But anyway, as DJ Damerchi pointed out, it is genetic. And yes, things like a person�s likelihood of being an alcoholic (or any other addiction) can also be related to their genes. Alcoholism is classified as a disease in all medical literature after all.

Posted by Domesticated on Jul-13-2009 01:49:

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi
drug use and mental illness are correlated, but that cannot pinpoint the causation. Personally I side with the arguement that the mentally ill are more inclined to use drugs because they have an underlying condition, rather than the drug use causing the condition itself.

While this may be true, I tend to think more so that mental illness is often a latent condition that is triggered by recreational drug usage. I know quite a few people with mild depression or other mood disorders that can be traced back to soon after they started using illicit drugs.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jul-13-2009 01:55:

Posted by Damerchi on Jul-13-2009 02:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Domesticated
While this may be true, I tend to think more so that mental illness is often a latent condition that is triggered by recreational drug usage. I know quite a few people with mild depression or other mood disorders that can be traced back to soon after they started using illicit drugs.

I agree with this, but apparantly ganja specifically can work both ways

quote:
though cannabis can provoke psychotic symptoms, these effects appear to be caused chiefly by one of its components; and another compound that damps down its effects has potential as a medicine, scientists said.

The findings, to be announced at a conference that opens in London today, offer a possible explanation for anecdotal reports of increasing cases of psychosis and schizophrenia triggered by the drug.

As concentrations of tetra-hydracannabinol (THC), the main psychoactive element that can provoke psychosis, have risen, levels of the beneficial chemical, cannabidiol (CBD) have fallen. This could mean that users are being exposed to higher doses of the damaging chemical, while receiving less CBD, which tends to balance THC�s effects.

�There is a possibility that there are good guys and bad guys in cannabis,� said Markus Leweke, of the University of Cologne.

�THC is the bad guy, but there is a small body of literature that suggests CBD may prevent the induction of psychotic symptoms. Our study supports that view.�

There are no official statistics on how cannabis use is affecting levels of mental illness, but there is growing evidence that the drug can induce psychosis and schizophrenia.

Scientists also report anecdotal evidence that more young people are developing schizophrenia as a result of using the drug. Robin Murray of the Institute of Psychiatry, said: �There is no robust evidence on cannabis-induced psychosis, but there are a lot of anecdotal reports it is increasing. Psychiatrists specialising in adolescence who used to have no interest in psychosis are now holding clinics with lots of patients with psychosis related to drug use.�

Comparisons of US drugs seizures in the 1960s and the 1990s show that THC levels have increased significantly as growers breed plants with more powerful psychoactive effects, and it is known that CBD content goes down as THC increases.

In the research, which will be presented at the Institute of Psychiatry�s international conference on cannabis and mental health, Dr Leweke investigated the effects of CBD on 42 patients with acute schizophrenia. Some were given CBD, while others received a standard anti-psychotic drug called amisulpride. Both groups had fewer psychotic symptoms, but the CBD group also experienced fewer side-effects. Common side-effects of amisulpride include weight gain, sexual dys-function and liver problems.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...icle1728870.ece

Posted by Domesticated on Jul-13-2009 02:09:

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Well, it doesn�t even have to be latent. Drugs can cause such illnesses all by themselves.

Certainly. However, everyone is different. I know people who have taken five pills per weekend for a year and felt no different, whereas I know others who have taken them six times in two years and felt a bit off.

You can't ever say for certain whether the drugs caused it, because the person may have become ill without that added interaction anyway. However, in my opinion, some of us are more prone to mental illness than others, and drugs can be that little push that slips us over the edge.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jul-13-2009 02:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Domesticated
some of us are more prone to mental illness than others, and drugs can be that little push that slips us over the edge.

*looks around*

Who said that?