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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN in this instance i wouldn't say moron. i'd say lazy, because i think you posted this without giving the question any real thought. any adult of moderate experience should be able to come up with a list of reasons why it would never work, not because they're an aeronautical engineer, but because they've been on a plane

I have never flown. Ever. I know this.

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Originally posted by Theresa Yea, anyone who isn't an expert in every field/topic/subject out there is a moron. You know more about planes than I do. I probably know more about putting people on planes/tourist destinations etc. than you do. Not everyone is a genius in every subject out there, except for people on TA of course.

Well the difference in our perspectives is that I don't think it requires much expertise whatsoever to come to a pretty quick logical conclusion to this question.

There are experts in aviation who likely concluded this was not a feasible or useful idea years and years ago, if it were a smart idea and made sense, it would already be in practice.

Really, if you just think about it for a minute it is pretty obvious.

Every seat would need a parachute. Hundreds would need to be constantly inspected and ensured they work properly, and there are thousands and thousands of flights per day. How would people know how to operate their parachute? People have enough trouble following the safety instructions as is, most can't even put on a life jacket correctly. Where would passengers put on their parachutes? In the aisles? On a large airliner that would be complete chaos. As you figured out, only certain exits would be able to be used, so as not to hit the vertical stabilizer or engines/wings, and some aircraft have engines/wings at the rear. Passengers would have to line up, don their parachutes and exit one at a time from the back with the airplane in a relatively stable attitude and lower speed and lower altitude. Who would be liable if a parachute malfunctioned or if the passenger died on landing because they didn't know how to use it properly? What if there was a panic and people were pushed out the doors?

I don't think you need to be any sort of expert or aficionado to come to the above conclusions pretty quickly. If you've ever been on a plane it should be pretty obvious. And those are just SOME of the reasons why it doesn't make sense...I could probably find plenty more by thinking about it for another minute.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN in this instance i wouldn't say moron. i'd say lazy, because i think you posted this without giving the question any real thought.

Maybe so, but it started an interesting flame war and *some* relatively intelligent responses.

TA is so boring... and it seems like most of you have pickles up your asses or something.

*sigh* I miss the days where you could ask a question that came up off the top of your head and have an interesting discussion be sparked from it rather than have people lose their shit over nothing.

May god help you bas... you're going to die of a heart attack or something from stress at a very young age if you don't chill the hell out.

I gotta go to bed for now.
Sweet dreams and goodnight to all you bastards

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I have never flown. Ever. I know this.

me too. high five.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I have never flown. Ever. I know this.

yeah, but my doctor said i had to start being nice to one person a day, so that was it.

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Originally posted by Theresa May god help you bas... you're going to die of a heart attack or something from stress at a very young age if you don't chill the hell out.

Probably not since he's one of the most chill people around.

It's pretty easy and takes little effort or thought to tell someone they're an idiot on the internet.

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Originally posted by Clovis Probably not since he's one of the most chill people around. It's pretty easy and takes little effort or thought to tell someone they're an idiot on the internet.

Good point... probably why there are so many out there doing it

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im more inclined to think its related to what lillith alluded to earlier, in that airlines are a business and cost-cutting is part of that business. sub-contracting their maintenance to third parties in developing nations is a big cause for concern imo. there's been quite a few incidents lately in australia regarding equipment failure but whether that's just a media beat up or not is hard to tell.

It is really simple economics when it comes to running the commercial airlines.
That's it.
There is no other reason.

Planes are horrific in terms of keeping them going in maintenance and fuel, the bigger they are and the worse it gets. Even those little Cessna 172's blasting around will go through about 70L of avgas per 1000km's with a decent load in them, at avgas prices its still more efficient than driving, but at around $1.80 a litre, depending on where you are, it kind of stings.
Even its engine is the equivalent of a highly tuned race engine, they need stripping down and full rebuilds, none of this 'just throw oil in it and hope' stuff because its not something you want to go wrong.

I clocked up about 420-430 or so hours in planes with a civil aviation licence landing much of that on what passed for roads in Africa, the odd "glorified paddock" and only managed to stack one once... which I still maintain wasn't my fault.
Also a fat lot of good a chute will do you at 200ft which is where it really gets very dangerous on the final approach, if you're going to die in a plane its usually going to start around that height.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yeah, but my doctor said i had to start being nice to one person a day, so that was it.

I'm too late to add anything intelligent to the discussion so I shall add this




in all honesty, it's so much safer to fly than drive, especially when you see the women drivers with kids shouting in cars, the sub-continent drivers without licenses and the elderly drivers doing 10mph everywhere here. I'll always fly ahead of any other form of transport if it's realistic, eg. I got a return flight to edinburgh and did the journey in 55mins for less than I got a single train ticket which took 5 hours.

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Originally posted by Ian

Reminds me of the Fight Club safety card

You know, no thread involving parachuting is really complete without Zlid.

They should put a rocket inside the plane that flies in the opposite direction. Since it's a separate rocket and not the plane, no crashes would ever happen. Hahaha.

They should invent flubber for planes so that when they crash, the plane just bounces up and down, safely.

they should fill the passenger compartment with laughing gas for the EPIC LULZ

Re: Plane Crash

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Originally posted by Theresa Ok, this may seem like a stupid question... but with the recent plane crashes, I have pondered this and wonder if anyone knows. In the event of a plane crash... Why aren't there parachutes on board a plane? Why can't they open the emergency exit doors and have people jump out? I mean, if your plane is going down, chances are, you're going to die. So you may as well take the chance and jump out... you're likely to have more survivors. Right? It just makes sense to me... if the plane is on its way down, have an emergency release where the exit doors come off and parachutes are available. Everyone jumps out as fast as they can and hopes for the best.

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Originally posted by Ian

The only thing I ever get out of those safety cards is:

1. Don't operate a remote control toy car on the airplane; it will make the plane do whatever you tell the toy car to do.
2. After a crash, if you see debris outside the emergency exit, incinerate it by shooting laser beams from your eyes.

Opening a plane door mid-flight takes about 25-30 tonnes of force if I remember correctly, or something close to that. Even if you could somehow miraculously generate that much force, you would probably cause an explosive decompression.

If parachutes could save lives in the way you wanted, they would already be on the planes.

And no I did not read past page 1. I was too busy facepalming.

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Originally posted by Fledz I did not read past page 1. I was too busy facepalming.

This.

Sorry Theresa, but this thread is seriously one of your worst blonde moments...and I don't even know if you're a blonde or not!

/thread

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Originally posted by aquila This. Sorry Theresa, but this thread is seriously one of your worst blonde moments...and I don't even know if you're a blonde or not!

The question and its underlying assumptions are certainly understandable, but in most cases, the knee-jerk 'hey, what if/why don't/why aren't?' brainstorms (which is what this seems like) are usually followed by a stage of reflection and, in cases such as this, dismissal.

It doesn't appear that Theresa got to that stage before she posted this thread.

An article that I was reading about the plane that, apparently, split open in mid-air (can no longer find this article) basically said this:

Planes are made to travel at 500+ miles per hour. People are not. If the plane truly did split open in mid-flight and exposed the passengers to open air, they would have felt an effect that is very similar to hitting a brick wall at very high speed. They would have died instantly.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Please note that plane crashes usually end in 2 ways: 1) The plane explodes before anyone even realizes what the fuck is going on. 2) The plane tumbles from thousands of metres in the air to the ground at an accelerating speed. In either of those 2 situations it would be impossible to announce to people to abandon plane. I mean I would understand if a plane crash were like an actual landing, at a controlled speed and descent, but that's the key difference between a crash and a landing.

awww yeah

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