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Originally posted by sixofour.604 No Virus can make the Roland TB-303 sound...I know a VSTi that can. VSTi are better than virus. Its simple logic really.

so im guessing you have never owned one?

Pretty sure sixofour is joking. Although I remember one knowledgeable guy (Derivative) did say that the Virus sucked at making acid sounds, and he owned a TI.

Well, Acidvoice is a website didcated to comparing acid synths [hard and soft] to the real TB303...Virus isn't even considered. So if the virus even does make a half-assed 303 sound, its nothing compared to the 20 or so synths done in the tests at acidvoice.

The bullshit idea that virus can make any sound, is the same reasoning amatures use to say Reason can produce any sound. The end result is an example of how limited people are in their creativity.

Saying virus is the best sound is a direct comparison to saying that wanking your penis is the best sex.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Reason can produce any sound.

Havn't heard that in a minute! and LOL at how often I used to hear it. Back in the day when I used to dick around, I would program all my sounds in Reason and sequence them in FL3. Reason was daunting then. Now it's laughable

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Havn't heard that in a minute! and LOL at how often I used to hear it. Back in the day when I used to dick around, I would program all my sounds in Reason and sequence them in FL3. Reason was daunting then. Now it's laughable

And yet, some people manage to create fantastic songs with it.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Havn't heard that in a minute! and LOL at how often I used to hear it. Back in the day when I used to dick around, I would program all my sounds in Reason and sequence them in FL3. Reason was daunting then. Now it's laughable

nothing wrong with the intrumenst in reason. id love to have them in another daw. its the efex (except scream and the advanced reverb) and mixer that sucks.

i still use it alot though, its what i know best.

*bump*

Please don't let this retarded conversation die. It's so full of accurate and hilarious information!

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Originally posted by derail It's pretty clear who used to use softsynths, then saved up their money and only got one decent hardware synth.

Forgive me for exagerrating, it was a bit too much to say that you'll use "little other than it", as that's not even the case for myself. You'll probably run out of voices in a hurry if you start stacking Virus patches, unless of course you're making really simple ones, in which case sure, may as well just use your preferred VST because you're not actually getting any of the benefits from it anyways.

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Even if you do have a studio full of great synths (hardware and software), just because you rarely use the other synths doesn't mean the Virus is even usable for a given other producer. No synth is going to please everyone who tries it.

Sure, my point is just that it's an *extremely* versatile piece of hardware and can make a huge number of unique sounds, and for that reason I don't really see how it could collect dust in someone's studio. I'm actually curious what Storyteller reaches for before his Virus and the when/whys.

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh I'm actually curious what Storyteller reaches for before his Virus and the when/whys.

I'd reach for *any* of my instruments before reaching for the Virus.

NL3, Andromeda, XT, Pulse, Q, ATC... even the DX7mkII.

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Originally posted by alanzo I'd reach for *any* of my instruments before reaching for the Virus. NL3, Andromeda, XT, Pulse, Q, ATC... even the DX7mkII.

Out of curiosity, why?

Not many other people have your collection of hardware synths either. What VSTs do you prefer to it?

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh Out of curiosity, why? Not many other people have your collection of hardware synths either. What VSTs do you prefer to it?

I can't say I'd prefer any VSTs to even a Virus B. *maybe* I'd take the Arturia 10 year collection over a Virus B, but those things eat CPU for breakfast...

The Wavetables on the Virus are very thin. The advantage is that they're more high-fi than the XT, but in general the XT just sounds better... fuller and more digitally weird.

The Andromeda is almost an obvious choice over the Virus...

The NL3 sounds much fuller vs the Virus. For some sounds, like supersaws and crap, you can't hear it, but for things like FM, syncing, and unison basselines, the NL3 rocks the virus. Although the Hypersaw on the TI can sound pretty cool and competes with the NL3.

The best thing about the Virus is its filters... very precise and have a cool/modern character. That's why I recommended a Virus B earlier in this thread. No need to pay for the TI features. Not worth the hassle/price IMO.

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Originally posted by alanzo I can't say I'd prefer any VSTs to even a Virus B. *maybe* I'd take the Arturia 10 year collection over a Virus B, but those things eat CPU for breakfast...

That was mainly what I was interested in hearing.

I can't really confirm or deny your other points as I've spent about 3 minutes of time playing around with all of the synths you mention combined. I'd be really curious to hear some short clips of the sounds you're talking about though that are much fuller on your other hardware synths.

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Originally posted by derail It's pretty clear who used to use softsynths, then saved up their money and only got one decent hardware synth.

lold

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quote: Originally posted by Sean Walsh That was mainly what I was interested in hearing. I can't really confirm or deny your other points as I've spent about 3 minutes of time playing around with all of the synths you mention combined. I'd be really curious to hear some short clips of the sounds you're talking about though that are much fuller on your other hardware synths.

i can confirm. as an owner of jp8000,pulse,nordrack2x and virus, pretty much everything is fuller than a virus. all these synths are more limited than the virus (distortions, mod matrix), but theyre better at what they can do.

i still use virus most because of the ti feature.

synths are all about personal taste. so there's no best synth for everyone. i know that i've a different taste than alan. i would never use a waldorf synth again as i know it's absolutely not my taste. but other love this exactly sound. so there's no way everyone would agree that the virus is the best synth.

i think every synth has its strong and weak points for certain sounds. while the virus has some sounds i really love and can't reproduce with other synths i have other sounds from other synths which i can't replicate exactly on the virus. so i have a bunch of synths (hw & sw) and i know exactly for which type of sound which synth i have to use to get the exact timbre i like.

but i agree with sean that the virus is an excellent VA and personally i put it over an NL, waldorf, roland, ...

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Originally posted by thecYrus while the virus has some sounds i really love and can't reproduce with other synths i have other sounds from other synths which i can't replicate exactly on the virus.

exactly. /thread

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh LMFAO at some of the responses in this thread. Where can I get some of the meth being smoked here? It's pretty clear who here has actually used a Virus. Some may not feel it's worth the price tag, but believe me if you have one sitting on your desk you'll likely use little other than it. Yes VSTs blah blah are great blah blah. FFS I use Ableton and a lot of my sounds come from an Operator-driven instrument rack, but that said, when it's time for the real meat and potatoes you look to the Virus; otherwise you're just sending a boy, or perhaps a barely-post-pubescent adolescent to do a man's job. The virus is capable of sounds that I guarantee you, nor anyone else has heard in their entire lives. Those sounds may not necessarily work in a trance production, but to claim that there's some sort of "virus sound" that you can immediately recognize is a down-right idiotic thing to say. Perhaps you can immediately recognize the over-used Manuel Schleiss rom bank instantly, but if you think that's all this beast is good for then you're clueless.

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh Forgive me for exagerrating, it was a bit too much to say that you'll use "little other than it", as that's not even the case for myself. You'll probably run out of voices in a hurry if you start stacking Virus patches, unless of course you're making really simple ones, in which case sure, may as well just use your preferred VST because you're not actually getting any of the benefits from it anyways. my point is just that it's an *extremely* versatile piece of hardware and can make a huge number of unique sounds, and for that reason I don't really see how it could collect dust in someone's studio. I'm actually curious what Storyteller reaches for before his Virus and the when/whys.

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh Out of curiosity, why? Not many other people have your collection of hardware synths either. What VSTs do you prefer to it?

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh I can't really confirm or deny your other points as I've spent about 3 minutes of time playing around with all of the synths you mention combined. I'd be really curious to hear some short clips of the sounds you're talking about though that are much fuller on your other hardware synths.

i dont get it. do u have split personalities?
First your like "Virus is the best synth EVER! Anyone disagrees is an ass!" Then ur like: "I have never tried any other synths than Virus, what would you other guess use?". please explain your sudden change in opinion or atleast your suddenly being humble?

btw i stand by my statement virus is suck!

Actually yes, I realized that my first post was pretty retarded and didn't specify that I was comparing the Virus to VSTs. I haven't spent any significant amounts of time with hardware synths so I can't compare them. I should have made that clear.

My first two signed tracks (to Gesture and Armada respectively) only used VSTs and instruments built for Jeksola Buzz, so I'm not some hardware purist. I have used a shitload of VSTs, and can say that I'm personally way happier with the TI and would recommend it to anyone looking to add hardware to their setup.

If you think the Virus is "suck", that's nice, we'll just have to agree to completely disagree on the subject.

I used to use my first Virus B with Buzz, but that was about 5-6 years ago. Man, the memories. Buzz... Terrible . But whatever works

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Originally posted by Storyteller I used to use my first Virus B with Buzz, but that was about 5-6 years ago. Man, the memories. Buzz... Terrible . But whatever works

I couldn't get my TI to work with Buzz, which along with seeing Sasha drop a wicked 6 hour set the same weekend, finally convinced me to switch over to Ableton, lol.

I actually liked Buzz quite a bit, despite the multitude of obvious flaws. Took me a long time to get back to the same comfort level as far as general production was concerned after moving away from it, but then again I didn't have nearly as much free time on my hands as when I first learned Buzz.

Always fun hearing from other former Buzzers.

Renoise here now . And a bit of Cubase

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh If you think the Virus is "suck", that's nice, we'll just have to agree to completely disagree on the subject.

lol sorry about the lame grammar "is suck" lol. what i mean is that it sounds worse than all the other hardware synths i have owned when it comes to what kind of sounds i want to make, which normaly is basic saw sounds mostly with a couple of oscs detuned or octave up down. this is beacuse the oscs in virus are pretty weak imo. i hardly use efex except a little distortion. for that use i concluded with NL3 > JP8080 > MicroQ > Virus. Then I sold them all lol.

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