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Hey at least he didn't put the two dots in his name

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Hey at least he didn't put the two dots in his name

not yet

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 So I just got done getting my new tracks for the month. Upon going through beatport I noticed a track; Mac & Mac - Solid Session. Immediately upon hearing it I noticed it had jacked basically the entire song concept from RAM - Solid Hope. It even has Solid in the title as well! Then what was I to find but to have it be signed to Magic Muzik. One of Tiesto's labels! Do what you do you fucking inbred talentless twat. If you remember there was a big deal made back when he dropped his album about stealing a demo's melody for what became Elements Of Life. Is this guy fucking serious? How does he get away with this? And even worse; how does he think he CAN get away with this? Ram - Solid Hope Mac & Mac - Solid Session

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Originally posted by DJ RANN No. It's about Tiesto (or should I say his minions) collaborating with someone on a production, hence production studio thread.

No it's not. I'm sure you can do better. Normally you read .
Thijs still isn't the one to blame. And the nonesense on the elements of life track was just utterly disturbing. That guy going to all dutch media, and then when you compare the track the first 3 chords out of a gazillion where the same. Big deal. Tons of tracks have identical chord progressions but that doesn't mean it's a rip.

I don't understand why people are still whining. Nothing happened. and if something did happen people yet somehow managed to blame the wrong person for about 7 pages. Isn't that hilarious. Quite shallow too.

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Originally posted by Storyteller No it's not. I'm sure you can do better. Normally you read . Thijs still isn't the one to blame. And the nonesense on the elements of life track was just utterly disturbing. That guy going to all dutch media, and then when you compare the track the first 3 chords out of a gazillion where the same. Big deal. Tons of tracks have identical chord progressions but that doesn't mean it's a rip. I don't understand why people are still whining. Nothing happened. and if something did happen people yet somehow managed to blame the wrong person for about 7 pages. Isn't that hilarious. Quite shallow too.

I disagree, you can blame him for most things

Actually, Bugger! looks like I cross posted in the wrong thread - that will learn me for going for going to see carl cox this weekend

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I disagree, you can blame him for most things

Yeah, that seems to be the mentality.

"Uhh... who can we blame for this?"
"I dunno... Tiësto?"
"Yeah, let's go with that."

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Yeah, that seems to be the mentality. "Uhh... who can we blame for this?" "I dunno... Tiësto?" "Yeah, let's go with that."

Yes, and your point is?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Yes, and your point is?

People are idiots.

Chill. I'm sure we all hate Armin Van ****** (pardon me if you're gay) more than Tiesticle.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Chill. I'm sure we all hate Armin Van ****** (pardon me if you're gay) more than Tiesticle.

That's just as bad.

First it was Tiesto, then Armin, now Deadmau5. People just blame them quite often for no real reason. A lot of it is hearsay or negativity just to be negative. Why? Answer is below:

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery People are idiots.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Chill. I'm sure we all hate Armin Van ****** (pardon me if you're gay) more than Tiesticle.

1) What does that have to do with anything?
2) How could you possibly hate anyone you've never even met?

#1. They're both ruining Trance.

#2. I've never met Lucifer, but I hate him.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley #1. They're both ruining Trance.

Again - what does that have to do with this thread at all?

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley #2. I've never met Lucifer, but I hate him.

Comparing real people to fairytales - interesting logic.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Again - what does that have to do with this thread at all? Comparing real people to fairytales - interesting logic.

You asked the question. I've never met Bin Laden and I hate him too. I suppose he is a fairytale too? What about Hitler. I hate him. What about the guy who murdered my father? I never got to meet him, but I hate him. You asked the questions, there are your answers.

And it has everything to do with the topic at hand. Tiesto is ruining Trance, and this thread shines light on yet another example of how he is doing it.

Why are you so crazy about Tiesto? What did he ever do that was so great?

Ruining trance?
Jesus Christ, then don't fucking listen. EDM has so many genres and tracks out there I can't believe people let DJs get to them so much. And as if you would compare them to people like Hitler and Bin Laden, the fuck is wrong with you?
Why are avid music fans often so petty and irrational?

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Why are you so crazy about Tiesto? What did he ever do that was so great?

Where did I say I was crazy about Tiësto?

You went on a crazy rant about him even though the tracks in question have nothing to do with him which is what I find absolutely bizarre.

Nothing. He asked a question and I answered it. I never compared anybody to anyone. I don't listen to Tiesto and havn't heard a set of his since 2005 and it was only the first song I shut it off after that. However, it is impossible not to notice what he is doing and what Armin is doing albeit on a much larger scale, and that is monopolizing Trance. It's a shame too, because back in the day their technology was not anywhere near the power we have these days, yet music from years ago is so much more diverse and well thought out. Today, we have single synth power houses that can do it all yet the music has never sounded as stagnant as it does now and there are reasons, and people, to blame for that. And no, it's not just Tiesto and AVB, but they're a large part of the problem.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Where did I say I was crazy about Tiësto? You went on a crazy rant about him even though the tracks in question have nothing to do with him which is what I find absolutely bizarre.

Again, why so defensive? If you feel something I have said is inaccurate feel free to correct me.

Read the original post carefully if you can't understand why we're bashing Tiesto.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Again, why so defensive? If you feel something I have said is inaccurate feel free to correct me.

I'm not the one making Lucifer/Hitler defenses.

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Read the original post carefully if you can't understand why we're bashing Tiesto.

Perhaps you should read the follow-ups too.

Let me just quote the (IMO) most important post here:

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt Of course no one seems to realize(Or, someone does but hasn't pointed it out) that both releases are a cover of Format - Solid Session. The Mac and Mac version actually credits it, but I don't think the Ram version does (Haven't seen any mention of the original at least).

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Let me just quote the (IMO) most important post here:

LOL

That makes him look even more dumb.

Good lord

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Nothing. He asked a question and I answered it. I never compared anybody to anyone. I don't listen to Tiesto and havn't heard a set of his since 2005 and it was only the first song I shut it off after that. However, it is impossible not to notice what he is doing and what Armin is doing albeit on a much larger scale, and that is monopolizing Trance. It's a shame too, because back in the day their technology was not anywhere near the power we have these days, yet music from years ago is so much more diverse and well thought out. Today, we have single synth power houses that can do it all yet the music has never sounded as stagnant as it does now and there are reasons, and people, to blame for that. And no, it's not just Tiesto and AVB, but they're a large part of the problem.

Well then you seem like the type of person who would blame anyone that's on top. Switch Tiesto with Gareth Emery and Armin with Ferry Corsten and you would most likely say the exact same things.

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Originally posted by Fledz Well then you seem like the type of person who would blame anyone that's on top. Switch Tiesto with Gareth Emery and Armin with Ferry Corsten and you would most likely say the exact same things.

Well, you couldn't be more wrong. I send published promo CDs to the homes of both Ferry (Netherlands), and Markus Schulz (USA, Florida) - Along with others such as Above & Beyond but not to their home.

Try again

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley LOL That makes him look even more dumb. Good lord

Please elaborate.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Well, you couldn't be more wrong. I send published promo CDs to the homes of both Ferry (Netherlands), and Markus Schulz (USA, Florida) - Along with others such as Above & Beyond but not to their home. Try again

You missed my point. The names are largely irrelevant, I just put down the first two that came to mind.

Ah whatever, debating this is pointless.

I was actually poking fun earlier on in this thread about blaming Tiesto for anything/everything but on the point of "hating" (as I said I don't hate anyone mentioned) some have more deserve for negative feeling because of their actions.

Personally, I do think a lot of things are wrong with the image of Trance/EDM and lot of that blame can be placed firmly on the like of Tiesto et al.

It's not that they're popular. I went to see Carl Cox this weekend and it was nothing short of breathtaking - a real display of skill, musical integrity, energy and quality.

And guess what? It was without all of the bullshit Jesus Poses, Making heart shapes with your hands in front the lazer, air-punching and self adoration that is the clear trademark of cheezemongers, tiesto especially.

The other big part of this is that their personality itself. Tiesto, from various interviews, statements and live performances is so god damned arrogant and full of himself. Combine that with an endless stream of information about screwing people, having work done for him without crediting and plagiarism....well you get the point.

For fucks sake, the guy sells a poster of himself Called "Tiesto: Cool" and a FUCKING KEYRING OF HIMSELF DOING THE FUCKING JESUS POSE



Now Ferry - that's a differnt matter - yes, he sadly does the posing and all the rest of it, but he's a truly nice guy (having had the chance to speak to him briefly) and as far as i know he hasn't ripped anyone off and apart from (credited) engineers, he actually makes his own music. I still find his stuff rather cheesey but then that's personal taste.

Deadmau5 - He's a good and talented guy getting thrown shit at him, partly because of his sometimes big and uncensored mouth and partly because a group of people (incl. some TA's) decided to go after him.

So no, it's not about choosing people at the top and being negative - it's about who they are, how they conduct themselves and what they represent.

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