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Re: What program is the best for auto beatmatching for someone that does not know how to?

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Originally posted by belagio11 Hey guys im just starting out djing and want to sound pro at beatmatching. I heard you can purchase programs that will automatically beatmatch for you so you dont have to learn it and will sound professional. What are some of the best programs that do this?

Don't. Learn to use your own damn ears. Real men don't cheat.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 This is a different era and there's a reason the old guard isn't being successful any longer.

Actually had an interesting conversation with someone about this very topic the other day and we all agreed upon the fact that the time of the true super DJ has been and gone period, and there will probably never be another time in dance music quite like it.

I would also say that the only people who are actually still being successful ARE the old guard. Nobody else can really make any money out of the business these days.

I don't think the technology has anything to do with it though, I just think the vast majority of people who loved EDM, grew up and had kids.

I do however think that software has a lot to answer for in regards to destroying the DJ image as it enabled people to pick up the software and reach a respectable level in terms of output without too much effort or talent.
The reality with it is that I can, and have picked up their tools and was able to do what they are doing without any effort and dare I say it probably do it better than they are because I have years of experience as a club DJ and producer. They couldn't do what I do without years of practice.

And I think this is where the thread starter has come unstuck, as he has basically announced that he virtually looks down on people for actually having a real skill, believes that he can get away with doing pre-recorded sets at a major club if he is even actually playing there, if he is playing there then the only thing that he has proved is that he has marketing skills and to be fair, it's half the battle so I salute him for that.

Is he a DJ? No, he is not. Not because of the fact that he uses software, but because he is going through the motions without really understanding what it is all really about, he is a biological jukebox nothing more.
But that isn't to say that he wont learn... probably the biggest improvement in terms of skill come from playing in a club.

That all said, given that he has just managed to get just about every DJ on here hating him for his inflamatory comments, the DJ industry being all about networking I would say that it doesn't look all that promising for him without a major attitude adjustment.

Personally I don't hate, I just look on in disbelief.

Cheers
Nem

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Well said. And where does mfitterer1 get this "this is a different era and there's a reason the old guard isn't being successful any longer." statement from?? The top ten DJs, on that silly DJ Mag list, don't use vinyls very much?? First of all, The old guard DJs are being successful. There are lots of ol school' vinyl DJs throwing down all over this planet.

Second, if you are judging a DJ by how high he or she is ranked on that DJ Mag/DJ List, don't. I will never let only a couple of hundred thousand pimple popping preteens\teens "noobs" dictake to me who the number 1 DJ in the world is, when we have probably over ten million EDM lovers. And another thing. Trance isn't even close to being the most popular edm genre in the world, today. Yet, the top "supposed" four or five DJs "in the world" are trance DJs?? Something doesn't add up, guys...My whole point??...At one time, during the "old gaurd days", trance WAS one of the most popular EDM genre, if not the most popular. Now, it's not even close. The new guard has taken over. That, right there, should speak volumes.

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Originally posted by Stormbringer Well said. And where does mfitterer1 get this "this is a different era and there's a reason the old guard isn't being successful any longer." statement from?? The top ten DJs, on that silly DJ Mag list, don't use vinyls very much?? First of all, The old guard DJs are being successful. There are lots of ol school' vinyl DJs throwing down all over this planet. Second, if you are judging a DJ by how high he or she is ranked on that DJ Mag/DJ List, don't. I will never let only a couple of hundred thousand pimple popping preteens\teens "noobs" dictake to me who the number 1 DJ in the world is, when we have probably over ten million EDM lovers. And another thing. Trance isn't even close to being the most popular edm genre in the world, today. Yet, the top "supposed" four or five DJs "in the world" are trance DJs?? Something doesn't add up, guys...My whole point??...At one time, during the "old gaurd days", trance WAS one of the most popular EDM genre, if not the most popular. Now, it's not even close. The new guard has taken over. That, right there, should speak volumes.

Please dont ever reference the djmag list again? Ok; now that we have that clear!

Trance is not the most popular edm genre at the moment; that title goes to electro house. However being the most popular has nothing to do with having the best djs; or even having good djs. Electro house is the most popular right now because of it's evolution into the american market. It's the ONLY edm genre played all the way around the country with any amount of consistency. It's also one of the easiest genres to mix. I suspect that it has become so popular because it is made strictly for the club. Music that is strictly made for the club is naturally going to have the most success in that medium.

When I said the old guard has passed the torch what I am saying is the simple minded "this is the way it's to be done" approach is done and over with. There have been too many technological advances and many of the people who dj these days aren't dumb enough not to take them. Just because people spent 20 years doing something they are afraid of the change. Most people it took years to get their heads around cdjs; and now it's moved on to laptops. It's just evolution. Most people are too stubborn to change freely; they have to be forced in order to change things. The people who accept the change and embrace it without malice are the people who will take over the top of the dj world in the next five years. Yes things are easier than they used to be. Yes you worked harder to get where others are getting today. Yes you may even be more technically skilled. However; none of that matters anymore. It's the old adage of "what have you done for me lately?" That right there means everything. And honestly there are very few djs outside of turn-tableists who can compete with the new age technology. Even better; some of the masters of the past have now caved to the way of the new era. Open mindedness is a good thing

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Please dont ever reference the djmag list again? Ok; now that we have that clear! Trance is not the most popular edm genre at the moment; that title goes to electro house. However being the most popular has nothing to do with having the best djs; or even having good djs. Electro house is the most popular right now because of it's evolution into the american market. It's the ONLY edm genre played all the way around the country with any amount of consistency. It's also one of the easiest genres to mix. I suspect that it has become so popular because it is made strictly for the club. Music that is strictly made for the club is naturally going to have the most success in that medium.

Electro house is the most popular genre in the world?? And like I said, trance is not the most popular genre in the world. And not only that, it IS because of a lot of today's new DJs but also because of a lot of today's producers, too. The producers make the shit. The DJs push out the shit. The people on the floor hear it. Trance is made for clubs, btw...Ever been to Rodermark, Germany at Paramount Park? At least good club trance and hard trance is great for clubs. But you also gotta mix in the great hard house and techno tune in, too.

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[b]Originally posted by mfitterer1 When I said the old guard has passed the torch what I am saying is the simple minded "this is the way it's to be done" approach is done and over with. There have been too many technological advances and many of the people who dj these days aren't dumb enough not to take them. Just because people spent 20 years doing something they are afraid of the change. Most people it took years to get their heads around cdjs; and now it's moved on to laptops. It's just evolution. Most people are too stubborn to change freely; they have to be forced in order to change things. The people who accept the change and embrace it without malice are the people who will take over the top of the dj world in the next five years. Yes things are easier than they used to be. Yes you worked harder to get where others are getting today. Yes you may even be more technically skilled. However; none of that matters anymore. It's the old adage of "what have you done for me lately?" That right there means everything. And honestly there are very few djs outside of turn-tableists who can compete with the new age technology. Even better; some of the masters of the past have now caved to the way of the new era. Open mindedness is a good thing

Why "take advantage" of technological advantage if there is no need to? You see, there's a difference between old school DJs like me and people like you. We see DJing as an art. And it ain't art if you take the easy way out. Example: We had bpm counters back then. That was a no, no if you were DJing at a live gig. You ether can DJ or you can't. Don't pretend. It's an art because it's a challenge to get good. Yeah, it takes about three weeks to learn how to beat match but how long did it take "most" Djs to beat match flawlessly "for hours" at live gigs? And to do it all the time?? You on the other hand...Well, I don't know how you look at the art of DJing...

There are very few djs outside of turn-tableists who can compete with the new age technology?? Really?? How do you know?? What is the basis of this funny remark??

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Originally posted by Stormbringer Electro house is the most popular genre in the world?? And like I said, trance is not the most popular genre in the world. And not only that, it IS because of a lot of today's new DJs but also because of a lot of today's producers, too. The producers make the shit. The DJs push out the shit. The people on the floor hear it. Trance is made for clubs, btw...Ever been to Rodermark, Germany at Paramount Park? At least good club trance and hard trance is great for clubs. But you also gotta mix in the great hard house and techno tune in, too.

Yes electro house is the most popular edm genre right now in clubland. Trance hasn't been for some time and it has nothing to do with the music put out. There is hordes of great trance and progressive put out; you just can't count on people handing it to you or the charts containing it. Trance is made for the club? I don't see how that could be possible when there are two minute breakdowns in a good % of the tracks and obviously breakdowns are not really conducive to dancing

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Originally posted by Stormbringer Why "take advantage" of technological advantage if there is no need to? You see, there's a difference between old school DJs like me and people like you. We see DJing as an art. And it ain't art if you take the easy way out. Example: We had bpm counters back then. That was a no, no if you were DJing at a live gig. You ether can DJ or you can't. Don't pretend. It's an art because it's a challenge to get good. Yeah, it takes about three weeks to learn how to beat match but how long did it take "most" Djs to beat match flawlessly "for hours" at live gigs? And to do it all the time?? You on the other hand...Well, I don't know how you look at the art of DJing...

Look man. DJ'ing is a business. I started on cdjs; and soon saw the next level of software. It's either change with the times or get left behind. What separates you from the other hundreds of thousands of djs using turntables and cdjs??? Software allows the creative process to be streamlined and added to. Let's be honest the only thing that matters is what the fans think, not fellow dj's. So I could really care less if you agree with me because it just makes me that much more coveted and entertaining that all of the people that think like you do still think that way. Software allows things to be done there's just no way you could do with vinyl. It's not taking the easy way out like I said I started on cdjs. It's maximizing my product. Maximized product = more enjoyment by fans. Fuck the other djs; they're just jealous they can't do what software can with their turntables and cdjs. The "art" of dj'ing is entertaining a crowd. In the end it comes down to the product; not the medium you took to get there. And since software provides a superior product and means of delivery; it's an easy choice.

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Originally posted by Stormbringer There are very few djs outside of turn-tableists who can compete with the new age technology?? Really?? How do you know?? What is the basis of this funny remark??

How do I know? I could ask you the same question. You're obviously not educated about software mixing; atleast my opinion is more of an educated one being as that I was open minded enough to try all of the available mediums

You all are just clouded by nostalgia.

Re: Re: What program is the best for auto beatmatching for someone that does not know how to?

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Originally posted by Stormbringer Don't. Learn to use your own damn ears. Real men don't cheat.

this statement is just as moronic as the post that started this thread

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Yes electro house is the most popular edm genre right now in clubland.

Really?? Funny...I haven't seen much electro house being played at any clubs I've been at (all over the world)...Don't get me wrong. I have seen some of it played at some clubs but it's not like it's some dominating force.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 trance hasn't been for some time and it has nothing to do with the music put out. There is hordes of great trance and progressive put out; you just can't count on people handing it to you or the charts containing it. Trance is made for the club? I don't see how that could be possible when there are two minute breakdowns in a good % of the tracks and obviously breakdowns are not really conducive to dancing

lol...Not to be rude or disrespectful but have you ever been out of the state of Oregon?? Ever since 90/91 trance has been hitting clubs all over Europe, the Orients, Central and South America, and in the United States, too (cough, cough, San Fran, Houston, New York, cough, cough Phoenix, Dallas cough, cough)! And I don't know what trance that you have been listening to but most trance songs don't have break downs that last two minutes. At least not all the good ones. But hell, if you can find many in my mixes, let me know. Maybe a minute...Maybe...Personally, I don't see the big deal about break downs. It actually gives people a little time to rest. Unless, you're the ttpe that likes dancing none stop, for 5 hours strait. And trance is perfect in the club! Especially if the club is decked out with laser cannons. "Great trance" and laser cannons make the club! And trance is perfect with lasers cannons! Have you've been to a real club that plays trance? I mean a real one. My guess is that you haven't. Just because a song breaks down, that doesn't mean you have to stop dancing. Just go with the flow, man... It's all about the music and atmosphere of the club. I personally think electro house is too calm and laid back for a great club experience but maybe that's just me. I would rather go through "two minutes of calm", for every trance song, than to go through a whole night of nothing but calm electro house....

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[b]Originally posted by mfitterer1 Look man. DJ'ing is a business. I started on cdjs; and soon saw the next level of software. It's either change with the times or get left behind. What separates you from the other hundreds of thousands of djs using turntables and cdjs??? Software allows the creative process to be streamlined and added to.

lol...what separates DJs, who can use their ears to beat match, from the new DJs who can't is that the ol' school can use both the software BUT they don't need it. The new DJs HAVE TO use the software. That's why most of us look down on your type. Software?? You don't even have to practice much to learn how to use it. Just the fuckin' manual....

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[b]Originally posted by mfitterer1 Let's be honest the only thing that matters is what the fans think, not fellow dj's. So I could really care less if you agree with me because it just makes me that much more coveted and entertaining that all of the people that think like you do still think that way..

I think if you ask most fans, most will respect the DJ who can beat match and blend on their on over those who can't.

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[b]Originally posted by mfitterer1 Software allows things to be done there's just no way you could do with vinyl. It's not taking the easy way out like I said I started on cdjs. It's maximizing my product. Maximized product = more enjoyment by fans.

I don't mind software as long as it doesn't do the work for you. If you wanna impress me, do all that fancy stuff AND beat match and blend, too.

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[b]Originally posted by mfitterer1 [QUOTE][b]Originally posted by mfitterer1 Fuck the other djs; they're just jealous they can't do what software can with their turntables and cdjs. The "art" of dj'ing is entertaining a crowd.

The art of DJing is entertaining the crowd. Not fooling them into thinking that you are something...that your're really not. Anybody can loop songs over other songs if you don't have to worry about beat matching and blending.

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[b]Originally posted by mfitterer1 In the end it comes down to the product; not the medium you took to get there. And since software provides a superior product and means of delivery; it's an easy choice..

In the end, it comes down to the music you get, the flow that you play them, and how good "you really" can mix it. Seriously, what would you think if you saw some DJ just lay down a 1 hour pre mixed CD, in a CD turn table, pushed play, and waved to the crowd while he or she was messing around with the effects button??? I know what you're thinking..."It's not the same thing." I think it is...

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[b]Originally posted by mfitterer1 How do I know? I could ask you the same question. You're obviously not educated about software mixing; atleast my opinion is more of an educated one being as that I was open minded enough to try all of the available mediums You all are just clouded by nostalgia.

Dude, have you seen how easy it is to use programs like ableton or serato?? It's pretty damn easy. In fact, it really takes no skill, what so ever...You might as well loop prebeat matched songs into a premixed CD set, as far as I see it...

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[b]Originally posted by The wiijay this statement is just as moronic as the post that started this thread

Well, instead of just making a complete jackass, out of yourself, why don't you explain to us why??

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Originally posted by lenazi

stupid post is stupid...

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Originally posted by Stormbringer Really?? Funny...I haven't seen much electro house being played at any clubs I've been at (all over the world)...Don't get me wrong. I have seen some of it played at some clubs but it's not like it's some dominating force.

LOL. Go check record sales and get back to me on that bro

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lol...Not to be rude or disrespectful but have you ever been out of the state of Oregon?? Ever since 90/91 trance has been hitting clubs all over Europe, the Orients, Central and South America, and in the United States, too (cough, cough, San Fran, Houston, New York, cough, cough Phoenix, Dallas cough, cough)! And I don't know what trance that you have been listening to but most trance songs don't have break downs that last two minutes. At least not all the good ones. But hell, if you can find many in my mixes, let me know. Maybe a minute...Maybe...Personally, I don't see the big deal about break downs. It actually gives people a little time to rest. Unless, you're the ttpe that likes dancing none stop, for 5 hours strait. And trance is perfect in the club! Especially if the club is decked out with laser cannons. "Great trance" and laser cannons make the club! And trance is perfect with lasers cannons! Have you've been to a real club that plays trance? I mean a real one. My guess is that you haven't. Just because a song breaks down, that doesn't mean you have to stop dancing. Just go with the flow, man... It's all about the music and atmosphere of the club. I personally think electro house is too calm and laid back for a great club experience but maybe that's just me. I would rather go through "two minutes of calm", for every trance song, than to go through a whole night of nothing but calm electro house.... lol...what separates DJs, who can use their ears to beat match, from the new DJs who can't is that the ol' school can use both the software BUT they don't need it. The new DJs HAVE TO use the software. That's why most of us look down on your type. Software?? You don't even have to practice much to learn how to use it. Just the fuckin' manual.... I think if you ask most fans, most will respect the DJ who can beat match and blend on their on over those who can't.

It's posts like this that make people hate trance. The fact that people sit there with their hands in the air and act like the dj is some devine God allowing them to dance to their amazing creation And that's coming from someone who spins trance myself! I hate what people see it as. And just lool at electro house being calm; it's the new age rap/hip hop bro; which is exactly why it has become so popular. It's simple as fuck 8 bar party music. Because it's so simple and repetitive it allows for very quick mixes which keep the energy flow going throughout the whole night. Fucking noob.

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I don't mind software as long as it doesn't do the work for you. If you wanna impress me, do all that fancy stuff AND beat match and blend, too. The art of DJing is entertaining the crowd. Not fooling them into thinking that you are something...that your're really not. Anybody can loop songs over other songs if you don't have to worry about beat matching and blending. In the end, it comes down to the music you get, the flow that you play them, and how good "you really" can mix it. Seriously, what would you think if you saw some DJ just lay down a 1 hour pre mixed CD, in a CD turn table, pushed play, and waved to the crowd while he or she was messing around with the effects button??? I know what you're thinking..."It's not the same thing." I think it is... Dude, have you seen how easy it is to use programs like ableton or serato?? It's pretty damn easy. In fact, it really takes no skill, what so ever...You might as well loop prebeat matched songs into a premixed CD set, as far as I see it...

You have a huge fundamental misunderstanding of what software does and doesn't do. Essentially the only thing it changes is the output source of the music. You still have to cue and drop your tracks in phrase; you still have to mix your tracks in, and you still have to mix your tracks out. Your idea of what software is = retarded and yes; cheating. However; aside from Tiesto, dj's don't usually do that kind of shit or get away with it.

You're definitely more of an idiot than the op

Cd + Vinyl

Just read this topic.

I can't belive you can compare Mixing with cd's or vinyl to doing a mix with computers.

To me Djing and mixing is an art which takes years to learn!

so to say you can mix after 2 and a half weeks is a joke.

Amazing that the thread starter vanished again. Sorry man but ive never known a "resident" DJ that dosent want to state where hes playing at to get people to see him play? Ive never been to Miami but id be highly inclined to say that if your playing one of the premier establishments in Miami the DJ booth is a bit of a maze to get to and not very easy for people to get to you. Also it shows upon you that your not willing to spread your music that you DJ to an audiance (being this website). Again what self proclaimed "digital DJ" or DJ for that fact does a mix and says "none of you get to hear it but ive done it"... do you see how silly that sounds?

Seriously you can get on a car forum and talk about the 900hp Skyline you have and claim "no im not posting pics of the car. I know I have it and all you haters are just jealous that my car is the shit and you dont have one". Same concept is applying here.

If you are playing a major club in Miami with a residence with the short amount of time youve been at it then congrats. You definitly know how to sell yourself well to people. But 95% of people involved in the community will turn against you when you brag about how it took them years to get where they are and you boast like you have here. Be ready to not like the results you get.

lol I really hope you guys arent actually buying this shit....Hes obviously just fucking around, he wont say what club or post a mix....he knows nothing about anything....and the reason for being able to beatmatch automatically is the fact the it will open doors for other possibilities....effects breakdowns....TIME......

lol bye

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Originally posted by enydo Adobe Photoshop

i heard MS paint for windows 7 has a new feature that works flawlessly too.

The first thing I have to say about this troll is...


Three things to know about the art of djing from my personal experience.

One...you beat match manually because that is industry standard. Period. You will recieve much more respect if you can learn to beat match on tables.

Two...I have been djing for two years now. I have learned so much not only from teaching myself, but from learning from those who have been in the industry for sometime. Taking their advice, using some of their suggestions. Have an open mind and learn the basics. Knowledge is power. Aqcuire as much as possible.

Three...PLAY TO THE CROWD. What if your premixed cd you did that you are playing ends up clearing a room. What are you going to do? You watch the crowd just incase you need to change it up a little bit. Thats why you play live at a club, not some premixed cd. Its like throwing sand into a delicate machine and hoping nothing goes wrong.

Good luck with the residency.

What I find most amazing of all is that you know it's a troll but respond anyway.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery What I find most amazing of all is that you know it's a troll but respond anyway.

Consider my response as a testimonail to future readers, not just for the troll broadcasting from under the bridge.

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Originally posted by CDJA The first thing I have to say about this troll is... Three things to know about the art of djing from my personal experience. One...you beat match manually because that is industry standard. Period. You will recieve much more respect if you can learn to beat match on tables. Two...I have been djing for two years now. I have learned so much not only from teaching myself, but from learning from those who have been in the industry for sometime. Taking their advice, using some of their suggestions. Have an open mind and learn the basics. Knowledge is power. Aqcuire as much as possible. Three...PLAY TO THE CROWD. What if your premixed cd you did that you are playing ends up clearing a room. What are you going to do? You watch the crowd just incase you need to change it up a little bit. Thats why you play live at a club, not some premixed cd. Its like throwing sand into a delicate machine and hoping nothing goes wrong. Good luck with the residency.

LOLOL at point one. Not that there is anything wrong with beatmatching manually but doing something because it is industry standard in ANY industry is major LOL.

Kinda like you responding to an obvious troll even though you know he is a troll

I learned how to beatmatch on an old pair of belt drive turntables because that's all i could afford at the time (a long time ago that is) I spent hour after fucking hour trying till i got it right and some of you think learning on cdjs is something to proud of please! You horrible lot don't no how lucky you are these days. Embrace everything music is the power.

Thats the same way I learnt on belt drives ! Cds definatly easier.

lol jay, i know its you

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