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Pioneer invited me to a launch party last nite for these, and as one of the few people to have actually used them & the rekordbox software, i have to say that they are very very impressive.

Plug in laptop via usb into the cdj2000 and control traktor/serato/ableton. No box required (as soon as serato sort out a usb/software dongle anyway- for now you have to have the box connected via usb as the box itself is the dongle), no cables, no patching.
Works flawlessly with all three- that's the BIG selling point and why these are going to become the new industry standard very quickly.

Feel good to use, solidly built, screen is superb and the software is very fast.

nice units... the ability to simply bring one USB stick or DVD rom disc packed with gigs of wavs is superb- the software is going to be released for sale on its own at some point, enabling people who dont have the units at home to prepare and bring to the club..

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Originally posted by Freak Pioneer invited me to a launch party last nite for these, and as one of the few people to have actually used them & the rekordbox software, i have to say that they are very very impressive. Plug in laptop via usb into the cdj2000 and control traktor/serato/ableton. No box required (as soon as serato sort out a usb/software dongle anyway- for now you have to have the box connected via usb as the box itself is the dongle), no cables, no patching. Works flawlessly with all three- that's the BIG selling point and why these are going to become the new industry standard very quickly. Feel good to use, solidly built, screen is superb and the software is very fast. nice units... the ability to simply bring one USB stick or DVD rom disc packed with gigs of wavs is superb- the software is going to be released for sale on its own at some point, enabling people who dont have the units at home to prepare and bring to the club..

fuck yea

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Originally posted by Clovis You don't use control CDs?

I had problems with them and the sound so I said fuck it and control everything manually now and with triggers on my djm800 for cueing.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Did I say anything about quality? I said STABILITY & COMPATIBILITY. And Serato is known to have random stability issues as well. And TSP IS the leader when it comes to sales figures.

while i can't speak for everyone using serato, i can say that since i made the switch from full on hardware to it in april that i have not had a problem once with it in any aspect.

I won't speak for traktor, as although i have tried it a few times, i've seen it mess up with my own eyes a few times.

I'm still looking forward to giving these a try, but it is more for the curiosity of it then anything else.

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Originally posted by lenazi while i can't speak for everyone using serato, i can say that since i made the switch from full on hardware to it in april that i have not had a problem once with it in any aspect. I won't speak for traktor, as although i have tried it a few times, i've seen it mess up with my own eyes a few times. I'm still looking forward to giving these a try, but it is more for the curiosity of it then anything else.

Well we do have to concede that a certain percentage of users could have issues. However when it comes to Serato we're talking about percentages that are in the single digits. So again you have to ask is it worth paying 3 times more when 95% of the time it won't make a difference anyways? I just have an issue believing that the market will think such an insignificant difference in stability is worth that much.

hence why i said "i can't speak for everyone using serato".

i also have a really good laptop though...so i'm sure that people trying to run this with less power could have more problems than i.

I'm glad i made the switch.

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Originally posted by Freak Pioneer invited me to a launch party last nite for these, and as one of the few people to have actually used them & the rekordbox software, i have to say that they are very very impressive. Plug in laptop via usb into the cdj2000 and control traktor/serato/ableton. No box required (as soon as serato sort out a usb/software dongle anyway- for now you have to have the box connected via usb as the box itself is the dongle), no cables, no patching. Works flawlessly with all three- that's the BIG selling point and why these are going to become the new industry standard very quickly. Feel good to use, solidly built, screen is superb and the software is very fast. nice units... the ability to simply bring one USB stick or DVD rom disc packed with gigs of wavs is superb- the software is going to be released for sale on its own at some point, enabling people who dont have the units at home to prepare and bring to the club..

Nice round up.. The native support for the DVS systems does seem pretty nifty. Dj's will still have to bring their laptops around but i suppose the sound card can be left at home.

It'll be interesting to see how these take off.

Regarding the price though, I couldn't care less about the american costs as i know for a fact that they'll probably just charge the same amount in euro for the units. 3200 euro converted back into US and then tell me you'd still pay the price

And I'm not a hater Mfitter, I love you.. x

the only thing that sucks now is that i will get less for selling my 1000's...dammit.

I can see the hype is out there for these units

Prices in europe:

cdj-2000 around 1700 Euros
cdj-900 around 1200 Euros

thats a lot, good luck pioneer with your marketing :P all those little boys dreaming about them because armin said they're fantastic

Uk prices are:
CdJ2000- �1495
CDJ900 - �1099 (same price as the CDj1000mk3 which is NOT being discontinued)

Thats what were told at the launch presentation last nite at any rate...
So if you want the price in euros, work it out from there...

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Originally posted by SBK I can see the hype is out there for these units Prices in europe: cdj-2000 around 1700 Euros cdj-900 around 1200 Euros thats a lot, good luck pioneer with your marketing :P all those little boys dreaming about them because armin said they're fantastic

Nothing to do with Armin saying so- he said they are fantastic, simply because they are fantastic.
It does something that has been lacking before- bridging the gap between laptop/digital systems and CD players with a common standard and unit.
If Pioneer hadn't incorporated any or all of ableton, serato, and traktor into it, it would fail spectacularly..but they did, and rightly so.

I have ALREADY been sent a tech rider for a dj in december listing these units and only these units...(they used to specify mk3s) they are going to become the A list unit of choice, and consequently they will filter down to smaller venue and home use.

Cheers

F

Freak,

Can you please explain how Ableton is incorporated into these units? So you connect the USB and then what?

I remember people used to moan about how a laptop would detract from a dj's performance. I think those days are finally behind us and that people care less and less what the dj in front of them is using as long as the sound they are creating/playing is top notch.

If these units allow more creativity and combinations (which they obviously look like they will) then it's definitely a step in the right direction.

However, knowing that it will probably be another 2-3 years until these might filter down to the masses is a little depressing, but I suppose I'm only a little jealous of those that can afford them so should shut my green ass up

ProSound already has them listed on their site...

CDJ2000 - $1699
http://www.pssl.com/Pioneer-CDJ-200...i-Format-Player

CDJ900 - $1299
http://www.pssl.com/!zRUfcPqRctOXXoVqTkwTUw!/Pioneer-CDJ-900-Professional-Multi-Format-Player

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Originally posted by Marcus007 the cdj 900 is priced at 999$ not 1500!!!

they are not.

unless you know a place that i do not.

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Originally posted by lenazi quote: Originally posted by palm denon fail

Not true: although they didn't realise it at the time, the DN-S1000 is an awesome CDJ - it's the smallest CD deck which won't fall apart and also has loops and a few fx...

= perfect for taking on the road as an extra deck for adding in loops etc. I challenge anyone on here to suggest a better deck for this purpose.


(fail on the HD2500 may well be the case, just thought I'd point out the above)

fuck pssl in the ass. giant heap of shit that company is

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Originally posted by Stu Cox fail

Not true: although they didn't realise it at the time, the DN-S1000 is an awesome CDJ - it's the smallest CD deck which won't fall apart and also has loops and a few fx...

= perfect for taking on the road as an extra deck for adding in loops etc. I challenge anyone on here to suggest a better deck for this purpose.


(fail on the HD2500 may well be the case, just thought I'd point out the above) [/QUOTE]

never tried it so i don't know...i still stand by my denon comment because all that i have seen cd deck wise has been shit.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox (fail on the HD2500 may well be the case, just thought I'd point out the above)

do u have any bad experience on the HD2500? i need a rack mountable player with harddisk as i only wanna play mp3.

Ableton+CDJ 2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a_sCzHKGyw

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Originally posted by Terrence Parker Ableton+CDJ 2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a_sCzHKGyw

with one hand no less

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Originally posted by n3lly I remember people used to moan about how a laptop would detract from a dj's performance. I think those days are finally behind us and that people care less and less what the dj in front of them is using as long as the sound they are creating/playing is top notch.

Unfortunately this is far from the truth. At least for me locally I get looked down upon and shittalked by the vinyl purists and people who are frozen in time when it comes to technology. I still think that we are a couple years from having it be universally accepted.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox I challenge anyone on here to suggest a better deck for this purpose.

DN-S1200?

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Originally posted by nemesis8722 DN-S1200?

To be honest, I hadn't even noticed they'd done an S1200! So much focus is on the Pioneers...

Just had a look at the specs and it's very slightly larger than the S1000 (even though they claim it's their smallest!) but not enough to make any difference.

USB could be useful for just sticking hundreds of loops on, plus if you can save cue points on them (not that clear from the specs) - I'm always against these sorts of things (MP3 CDs etc) as you can never guarantee the club you play in will have the same facilities, so you end up having to take a wallet of normal CDs anyway, but when the whole point is it's a deck you're taking with you, you haven't got that problem!

Obviously the 1000 is cheaper, particularly seeing that it's been around for longer so you can pick one up for practically nothing 2nd hand, but yes I'll let you have that - it is a better deck

Not sure if it'd be worth the extra cash for me though when I've got a mate would probably part with his 1000 for a very reasonable price.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox To be honest, I hadn't even noticed they'd done an S1200! So much focus is on the Pioneers... Just had a look at the specs and it's very slightly larger than the S1000 (even though they claim it's their smallest!) but not enough to make any difference. USB could be useful for just sticking hundreds of loops on, plus if you can save cue points on them (not that clear from the specs) - I'm always against these sorts of things (MP3 CDs etc) as you can never guarantee the club you play in will have the same facilities, so you end up having to take a wallet of normal CDs anyway, but when the whole point is it's a deck you're taking with you, you haven't got that problem!

I own a pair of 1200s and I really like them. I've never had a problem with a single mp3 or wav file .... ever. That's alot more then I can say about the Pioneer players. There have been plenty of times on the cdj-1000 when I was in the middle of a mix and the dumb thing frame-skipped on me and totally threw everything off.

And yes, you can save memo points, loops, and all that kinda good stuff.

so basically cdj2000 its a cd player with midi controller with few buttons, jog wheel, one fader, ability to connect external hard drive and mid map buttons in programs, oh and a needle jump(small touchpad). all of that for 1699 NICEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...

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