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A friend just did some research on booking at the NATC and then posted this.

The "Tiesto Tragedy" last night was NOT promoter Liquified's fault. The majority, if not all, of the problems stemmed from the security staff and facility management, which were most likely services provided by the facility as is stated under the facility rental page on the NATC website: "Professional management, maintenance, and security are on-site and available to help you plan and manage any type of function.


My guess is Devin is going after NATC, not the people who feel taken advantage of. Everyone calm down.

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Originally posted by iammesol Everyone calm down.

Sam hath spoken.

In all my years how I have yearned to see the words Tiesto and Tragedy side by side.

The buck stops at Liquified is the whole point though.

They chose the venue. Is it their fault the staff they were stuck with ended up being a bunch of corrupt, irresponsible assholes? You sure bet it is.

At the end of the day, Liquified chose this venue. Liquified organize the event.

This was a huge disaster, and they need to man up and take responsibility. Liquified could of done so many things to alleviate the situation, but they didn't. And if they claim they couldn't, that's a load of horseshit. Take ownership of your event.

And NATC is supposed to just get away scott free?

Devin rented $48,000 worth of lighting and sound to fill that place, not even mentioning Ti�sto's $30,000 bill. The supposed $37,000 in tickets just dents the price of this thing for Liquified.

NATC most likely charged for the parking, and NATC handled the bullshit security.

Think with facts and logic, not emotions.

Upset by bad situation but didn't let it ruin my good time!

I too had to stand in line for two hours. Parked across the street and managed to avoid paying $20 for parking. That pissed me off because I read online that parking was originally supposed to be $10 then to have it double! That is fucking crazy. I think that parking for U2 last week was about $20. I personally love Tiesto WAY WAY more than U2 but just trying to make a comparison.

Got to NATC at 11pm and did not get in the venue till 1am. I was so glad that Tiesto had not started playing yet. Got in line at bar (which was not nearly as long as last time Tiesto played at NATC)After that it was a good time had by all in my group. Yeah, the pepper sray incident sucked and my boyfriend got sick because of it and we ended up leaving early.

I totally understand how things could get out of control. What I can't understand is how Liquified learned NOTHING from last time. Same issues, different year.

As far as the music and the general vibe once inside....The music was awesome (love his new album) and the vibe was so alive! Soemtimes I feel like I am all alone in this love for trance and other EDM genres. Events like this, WMA, and other large-scale shows really make me feel like I am part of something much bigger. I have liked/loved a lot of different types of music over my lifetime and been to a lot of shows. TA's and fans of EDM have energy like nothing I have ever seen. Let's try and remember to stay positive and to have a good time dispite some really messed up stuff.

**To all those who where not able to get to the show I hope that Liquified sets things straight with you and you recieve a refund and even free tickets to a future show **

PLURR

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Originally posted by trancension Liquified could of done so many things to alleviate the situation, but they didn't. And if they claim they couldn't, that's a load of horseshit. Take ownership of your event.

Oh they could have? And you know this for a fact?

were tickets available through Want tickets???

I didn't go last night kid.

Emotions have nothing to do with my argument.

Liquified chose the venue. They have to live with their decision. If the staff at the venue was shitty, it's their fault. Most of these problems happened 2 years ago. Liquified didn't learn their mistake. They need to take responsibility.

And yes, I'm sure Liquified could of done something to help the problem. i.e., personally helping with admittance. Talking to the head of operations at NATC for the night about the disorderly conduct of their security.

Did they do ANYTHING? I haven't heard that they had.

iamsol..... $37,000 in tickets sales only comes to $7 a ticket. ticket sales were prolly closer to 150k+

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Originally posted by enydo Oh they could have? And you know this for a fact?

He does. And he can prove it with Science.

Ya, where did you get $37,000 in ticket sales from?

5,000 tickets were sold from what I understand. Liquified definitely made big bucks last night. How much of it was profit? I don't know. But $75,000 in costs makes it sound like there is close to $100,000 in left over revenue. Whether or not there were other costs, I don't know. But don't play some sob store about Liquified going into the red last night. Unless they do the right thing and refund around 750 tickets, I don't see how they could possibly go into the red.

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Originally posted by trancension I didn't go last night kid.

Then nothing you say holds any weight and you're running completely on speculation, like everyone else.

Your argument is flawed. Until Liquified releases an official statement on what happened, and what they plan to do, it's all just speculation.

im not getting my hopes up that the press release is gong to explain everything. devin has to work with his lawyers on the press release which means its prolly gonna be a very generic press release since people are talking about suing(not devin's fault, its just the legal system we have)

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Originally posted by iammesol And NATC is supposed to just get away scott free?

TA's who know Devin personally and appreciate his work will defend him, which is to be expected. I don't know him personally, don't wish any ill on him personally, and I definitely appreciate the successful events he's organized in the past.

As a customer, I have a business relationship with Liquified: Liquified organizes the events, sends me the ads (oh, so many ads), and sells me tickets. As a customer I have the leverage to demand an apology, explanation, and refund from Liquified if things go wrong, since Liquified is the company that gave my money to NATC, empowering NATC to waste my time (assuming that the NATC management was awful; I can't be expected to know that).

Did NATC cheat Liquified by taking our money and screwing up the show? Well, that's not for me to decide. If so, I hope NATC's held accountable as any bad business ought to be, but it's understandable that the end customer would want to incentivize the promoter to book reliable venues, hire decent event staff, plan for failure, and respond quickly to problems that might arise.

On that last point, some are saying that Liquified, after having selected the venue's inadequate event staff, was in no position to control the line, forbid the "express ticket" sales, clear up the entrance bottleneck, and so on. Really? I don't know much about the event promotion business, but I'd be surprised if Atlanta's top EDM promoter had absolutely no leverage over the venue's management to address these problems during the show.

Again, not trying to insult anyone personally, but I'm still eager to read the press release tomorrow. Chances are good that I might continue to go to Liquified shows (once I receive my refund), but I do understand those who are seriously pissed. Whatever you might think of Tiesto -- I think he is overrated, but trance in Atlanta on a weekend is always welcome -- last night we expected the most massive EDM event Atlanta had seen in while. Instead it cheated hundreds of people (and, indirectly, the EDM scene) and sent one girl to the emergency room.

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Originally posted by enydo Then nothing you say holds any weight and you're running completely on speculation, like everyone else. Your argument is flawed. Until Liquified releases an official statement on what happened, and what they plan to do, it's all just speculation.

Reading 50 first hand accounts is speculation?

Ok.

Calamar said it best, I'm not after blood here. But if Liquified isn't going to take ownership of their event, then that's just wrong.

I had a ticket and let my friend sell it at the last minute. I'm glad, because had we got to the door with our hard tickets in hand and been asked for another $20 to be allowed in I probably would have got myself arrested. Apparently my friends that did go paid $100 to cut the line- and they weren't even will call, they had their tickets they should not have had to wait more than about 20 minutes and definitely should not have paid anything extra!

People need to realize that this does not all fall on Liquified. My understanding is that they split the cost 50/50ish with Opera to put this together. NATC is claiming that Opera was solely responsible for security. It really makes a lot of sense, when you think about it. Opera's door security is notorious for holding the line and charging extra money to get in. I refuse to go to that club, even though it's one of my favorite venues in Atlanta, except for really special shows that are worth the hassle, for precisely that reason. I hope the number of people that had problems and have reason to demand refunds is not enough to really kill the bottom line and damage the trance scene in Atlanta, but I also really hope that this will force Opera to reevaluate some of their policies and fire the corrupt employees. I'll start going there again if they do!

Actually, if it were Opera staff, I totally retract any initial shock toward hearing of this situation. It makes total sense now.

:-P

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Originally posted by kckar iamsol..... $37,000 in tickets sales only comes to $7 a ticket. ticket sales were prolly closer to 150k+

True. Got that number from another angry person who apparently did shitty math. Good call

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar Actually, if it were Opera staff, I totally retract any initial shock toward hearing of this situation. It makes total sense now. :-P

I posted this earlier on the Tiesto Tracklists forum... Can anyone help out with the tracklist from last night?




Wow!!!

First of all me and my five friends got in... after 2.5 hours of waiting in line.

We rolled in around 10:40 hoping to get in by 12. We arrived on the scene to find a MASSIVE (and I mean f'ing massive) line of THOUSANDS of people wrapped around the building. I couldn't believe my eyes and was wondering why so many people were still outside. Well I found out soon enough.

I was waaaaay at the back at first so I would just see the line move in waves every twenty minutes or so and finally after about an hour in the back the line just stopped moving for another 30 minutes. I hate being a dick but after waiting 1.5 hours my friends and I decided to roll up front and cut in the line approximately 30 feet from the door (which apparently A TON of people were doing... we felt so stupid for waiting so long to do the same). Now that sounds close but there must have been 300 people between me and that door just within those 30 feet. I think the only thing worse I've ever experienced (crowd wise) was the Love Parade in Berlin. I mean there wasn't even room for your hands to stay by your side.

We spent another hour in that front section of the line only to have patrons start going ape-shit chanting "bullshit", "what the fuck", and "refund." I mean they were getting pissed! People started banging on the windows and apparently they were letting people in 1 by 1 at the front door but not even at a constant pace. Sometimes the door would be open, sometimes it would be closed. So people from the back started pushing all of us towards the door which became a major mess as tons of smaller people were getting tossed around. I'm a 6'5" fit guy but the girls I were with I was worried for. No matter how much I tried to keep them safe at one point it was just completely uncontrollable. You just got pushed in waves towards the door, and then 5 seconds later pushed back away. It wasn't a comfortable feeling having 300 people press up against you, haha. I thought someone was going to get trampled on and possibly die. Seriously.

That went on for about 25 minutes (but seemed like 2 hours) and then my one friend who is claustrophobic stepped out of line to get some "fresh" air. At that point I had pretty much given up on the event (and I was REALLY excited for last night's event) thinking the $50 cab ride, the 6 $50 tickets, and the $50 return cab ride would all be for nothing. Well at that point (approximately 12:50) our luck changed as my friend who stepped out noticed that on the other side of the entrance (where the VIP entrance was presumably, and which also had a massive line throughout the night) was freeing up because a line of police cars had just arrived (I guess riot police? I never saw them get out of their cars). One of the staff at the VIP entrance just started yelling "get them in as fast as possible" and me and my friends literally just walked in without our tickets being checked. They only did that for about a minute but fortunately for us it was within that minute that we were able to take advantage of it all. Seriously lucky.

So at 12:50 I got in and at 1:00 Tiesto came on so it all worked out in the end. Yeah the entire line debacle put a MAJOR damper on the evening and didn't set the mood for the show but I tried my hardest to put that past me and enjoy the show.

So from what I remember here is the tracklisting. I'm pretty ashamed that I don't know more of the songs but I haven't been following his TLs recently and it was kind of nice to be able to enjoy "new" music. My friends and I left after "Find" as we were pretty sure the night was winding down and we wanted to be one of the first to get a cab back (didn't want to wind up waiting more that night). Don't know if he played anything after that (approximately 3:50 AM). Maybe someone else can confirm?

Oh and I think the show ROCKED. He played a few songs from Kaleidoscope, some techno, one or two "housey" tracks and the rest trance. There was excellent energy and there were some major bombs. I was really impressed with the track selection. The mixing was pretty good too (hey it's easy to criticize from the floor but he did some cool things with the transitions/CDJs). He didn't seem that into the show for most of the night but whatever. I think he was just concentrating quite a bit. What was kind of annoying was that for the first 5 minutes of the opener he wasn't even on stage... The track just started and after 5 minutes he finally walked out. Also he left a few times during tracks and went off stage (to pee, interact with people, I don't know). But whatever. That wasn't a huge thing but I'll point it out for the sake of the review. I don't go to the shows to stare at him all the time anyway.

I hope any other TT members that were there last night were able to get in... Last night could have turned out much worse for me and my friends and at this point I'm grateful it didn't! I hope you guys had the same fortune.

Okay that was a long ass review.... Here's the TL.

Ti�sto Feat. J�nsi - Kaleidoscope (Original Mix)
DJ Ti�sto - Flight 643 (Laidback Luke Edit?)
Ti�sto Feat. Sneaky Sound System - I Will Be Here (Ti�sto Remix)
ID
ID (eyah vocal with techno feel)
ID (sounded like a track from ISOS 4 but it had a female vocal at the break)
ID (technoish)
Ti�sto Feat. Priscilla Ahn - I Am Strong (Extended Mix)
Ti�sto Feat. Cary Brothers - Here On Earth (Extended Mix)
Ti�sto Presents Allure Featuring Julie Thompson - Somewhere Inside (Original Mix)
Ti�sto Feat. Tegan & Sara - Feel It In My Bones (Extended Mix)
Editors - Papillon (Ti�sto Remix)
Ti�sto - Bend It Like You Don't Care (Extended Mix)?
ID (sounded like a Mr. Pit or Jochen Miller track)
Ti�sto Feat. C.C. Sheffield - Escape Me (Extended Mix)
ID (Male vocal remix?)
Ti�sto Feat. Calvin Harris - Century (Extended Mix)
ID (Housey... vocal said Read it for the music?)
ID (male shouting)
Ti�sto - Louder Than Boom (Extended Mix)
Binary Finary - 2009 (Vegas Baby Remix) (vocal saiddon't phase it/up?)?
ID
ID (dah dah daaaah melody... this was a BOMB)
Calvin Harris - I'm Not Alone (Ti�sto Remix)
ID
ID (Dave 202 sound...)
ID (wavy wooshy sound)
ID (sounded like aairwave/breathing)
Ridgewalkers Featuring El - Find (Andy Moor Mix)

Then I left... But Tiesto walked off stage after during Find and apparently he waved so I'm pretty sure that was the last song.

EDIT: Apparently he played for another hour after that.

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Originally posted by iammesol True. Got that number from another angry person who apparently did shitty math. Good call

Heeeey. I hope you weren't referring to me, Sam. My estimate was ~$37,500 wasted on tickets just by those stuck outside (750 people, $50 per ticket?). It might have been a shitty estimate, but the math was okay. :P

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Originally posted by trancension Reading 50 first hand accounts is speculation? Ok. Calamar said it best, I'm not after blood here. But if Liquified isn't going to take ownership of their event, then that's just wrong.

Where are you reading 50 accounts? Certainly not this thread.

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Originally posted by Calamar Heeeey. I hope you weren't referring to me, Sam. My estimate was ~$37,500 wasted on tickets just by those stuck outside (750 people, $50 per ticket?). It might have been a shitty estimate, but the math was okay. :P

Good estimate, shitty assumption (from me)

Sam hath spoken.

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