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lol, I'm about the same in that regard. Very little interest in most things, but very passionate about a few. likewise with the car or air conditioner.

As an ex body builder I switched to mixed martial arts 10 years ago and am now much fitter and stronger especially in the core. I dont use weights so much as I prefer things like slow pressups, pulls - ups (say 50 pull up's in 5 minutes or 6 x 6 slow pressups with each group of 6 using different hand positions and no break at all between the 6 sets) or crawling up and down stairs, or crawling fast round the garden on hands and feet, as you use more muscles and tendons than you do with just lifting weights.

When I was bigger, I tired too quickly in MMA sparring, especially grappling and wrestling - unless you are very fit you gas out real quick and no gas = lose fight for sure.

On the other hand when we get a marathon runner or triathlete come along to try, they have a different sort of fitness not at all suited to relatively quick high power fight bursts. They are usualy surprised as they just had this notion they were super fit, and a little bit of sparring would not be a fitness issue.

Yep, fitness is pretty domain-specific. Lance Armstrong ran a marathon, for example, and did well but not awesome. But he could destroy pretty much anyone in a bicycle race that took the same amount of time. :-)

Only on TA!!!

LOL

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Only on TA!!! LOL

this. LOL

WTF? This again? Only on TA! and it's not the first time.

(Does anyone remember the "pictures of you home studio" thread where for like 4 pages it turned in to bodybuilding nutrition advice) lol.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Source? [Edit: I thought that lactalbumin (whey) protein was easily assimilated by the body, as it is what's given to patients on a protein-sparing modified fast diet. The diet basically consists of four "shakes" per day with vitamins, some sugar, essential fatty acids, and about 60g protein per shake. It has been proven to spare muscle even at quite a high caloric deficit, so it seems the protein must be getting used somehow. See this study, for example.]

your body will synthesize glycogen out of protein. however, this is much harder on your renal system than using carbohydrates as your primary fuel source. this is my point. you could eat nothing but protein all day, but your kidneys would take an absolute pounding.

i expect organ stress was not a concern in a short term fasting diet, where the priority was sparing muscle.

a bodybuilder, or even the average person, is not on a short term fast diet - so many variables are ignored and this study is completely irrelevant. this is just another example of an unrelated scientific study being used to support some bodybuilding nonsense. did you know the popularity of glutamine is largely based on studies of use with burns victims? the entire supplement industry is based on pseudo-scientific crap like this and people lap it up like drones.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I thought that lactalbumin (whey) protein was easily assimilated by the body

this is exactly what i am talking about. think of your protein levels as a buffer. let's say it has been 3 hours since your last meal and your protein buffer is in a 30g deficit. if you go and eat 30g in a highly bio-available and simplified form, how much of that do you think is actually going to get used? whey is extremely quickly absorbed and your body will not have time to make use of a lot of it. on the other hand, cottage cheese (casein protein) takes about 6 hours to digest and your body would use far more of it for actually healing and not just as an energy source. if you divided that 30g shake into 3x1 hour intervals, your body would make far better use of it and not just stress your organs.

moral of the story:
- protein for healing
- fat and carbs for energy

any of these in excess will be bad for you. balance is everything and, personally, i think the typical 40/40/20 macro ratio is a load of bullshit propagated by the supplement industry and just general bodybuilding doofus-ness. work out how much protein that actually equates to and you will never find a study supporting that much in athletes.

Do you have a source for your claim that more than 1.0 g / kg protein is bad for your kidneys?

My point in quoting the PSMF study was not to recommend that diet or that kind of protein intake to people, but to point out that lactalbumin shakes are sufficient to, at the very least, maintain muscle mass. They aren't just getting flushed out through the urine or all burned off through gluconeogenesis. :-)

Btw, I am not a bodybuilder who believes whatever I see written on supplement-selling sites, I am just interested in nutrition for health reasons mainly.

Bodybuilding is so homoerotic. I can't help but think that guys that spend that much time staring at each other and thinking about the male physique need to just admit they love the cock (and there's nothing wrong with that of course).

Discucssing male nutrition is like discussing berets IMO - you have to be french to pull it off, otherwise it's just gay.

And what the fuck does nutrition have to do with this thread or even forum....

...or are you two just proving the point that we really need a mod?

Lots of people think dance music is "gay" too, you know.

Not everyone interested in gaining muscle or strength is a meathead whose workouts last four hours because he can't stop ogling himself in the mirror. ;-)

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Lots of people think dance music is "gay" too, you know. Not everyone interested in gaining muscle or strength is a meathead whose workouts last four hours because he can't stop ogling himself in the mirror. ;-)

Dance music IS gay - no question. It came from the gay warehouse clubs in chicago and new york as an evolution of disco.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Dance music IS gay - no question. It came from the gay warehouse clubs in chicago and new york as an evolution of disco.

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You caught us.

Interesting to read what you guys are saying, i only now started going to the gym, i saw some quick results in my arms, but burning fat is what I'm most concerned with.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Dance music IS gay - no question. It came from the gay warehouse clubs in chicago and new york as an evolution of disco.

I know, but the people who call it "gay" don't know anything about the history or culture surrounding it, they think there is something "gay" about the music itself. Like in order to listen to it you have to be some stereotypical flamer going gaga over diva vocals. :-P

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Bodybuilding is so homoerotic. I can't help but think that guys that spend that much time staring at each other and thinking about the male physique need to just admit they love the cock (and there's nothing wrong with that of course). Discucssing male nutrition is like discussing berets IMO - you have to be french to pull it off, otherwise it's just gay. And what the fuck does nutrition have to do with this thread or even forum.... ...or are you two just proving the point that we really need a mod?

LOL

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Bodybuilding is so homoerotic. I can't help but think that guys that spend that much time staring at each other and thinking about the male physique need to just admit they love the cock (and there's nothing wrong with that of course). Discucssing male nutrition is like discussing berets IMO - you have to be french to pull it off, otherwise it's just gay. And what the fuck does nutrition have to do with this thread or even forum.... ...or are you two just proving the point that we really need a mod?

You're trolling right? What a biggoted viewpoint you idiot.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Bodybuilding is so homoerotic.

Maybe for homophobes...lol

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Originally posted by Fledz You're trolling right? What a biggoted viewpoint you idiot.

WTF?

Where is anything bigotted in this post the ones previous. read it again - there is nothing homophobic or remotely derogatory to anyone homosexual in it. Bodybuilders maybe, but you can't call me biggoted for that.

I just stated my opinion that I believe a lot of the macho bodybuilding culture bullshit has latent homosexual undertones. Why would you have a problem with that? unless of course you're a bodybuilder that is homophobic and gets angry with that suggestion.

(P.s if you haven't figured all these posts were designed to prove the point we need mod then please don't bother responding).

Fuck it I'm sucked in. I'm gonna also talk about health in the production forum.

Agreeing what echo said on vitamins. I watched a program where tests were run. The people that took vitamin supplements compared to the other group that just ate a healthly balance diet did not absorb anymore vitamins into the body. NOt sure on protein shakes etc. But it was very interesting to see.

Basically the body like echo said only absorbs as much as it needs anything else is juts filtered away.

The same goes for the "you must drink 2 litres of water a day". Another test on twins. One drank 2 litres throughout the day the other just drank when needed. results proved the one that just drank when needed (which was less than 2 litres) made up the rest from food throughout the day. The other simply went to the toilet more as the body had no need for this extra in take of water as it also took water from the foood eaten through out the day.

I guess the moral is just eat and drink healthly as required. Listen to your body, if you feel hungry or thirsty, obey. But theres really no need for extra supplements all the time if you eat the right food, unless you have some health issues.

It's not specific to dance music. It's specific to mankind.

You have those morons everywhere. Add an avatar that lets you anonymously insult and hurt people for no reason, that makes it way too easy for them.

you can either argue with them and end up in depression or ignore them.

I like both, but won't argue until I get depressed. Arguing is funny at times.

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