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Originally posted by Nightshift btw how are trackball mouses? i was thinkin about trying one out

Works nice for the minimal desk space. It takes a little while to get used to, but now I can go seamlessly from the trackball mouse to a regular mouse without thinking about it.

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 What about that empty glass of beer, looks pretty amateur to me.

It's an old picture. I've pro-orized it and then amatuerized it several times since then. ATM, it's pro-orized. *thumbs up*

The empty glass of beer is totally pro. If alanzo were amateur it would be an empty soda can or water bottle. True pros use alcohol to fuel the creative process. :-)

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Originally posted by Nightshift btw how are trackball mouses? i was thinkin about trying one out

We use one at the studio and even after 2 years I fucking hate that thing (I'm not allowed to remove it as the 1st engineer won't use a mouse).

I get violent at the mention of the word

i started using my tablet as a mouse. It is really handy. I found mouses to strain my wrist.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Apparently not very good, otherwise the cat would've eaten it.

lol well played good sir

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Originally posted by cryophonik it's obvious that your measure of what constitutes an accomplished musician is being signed to a label.

You know what, I actually go to your website fairly regularly and just let the music roll - as I've said before I LIKE IT, but I stand by my assertion that the rythmic style of for example of your plucks in certain tracks is that we heard when edm began, and the sound choice of SOME sounds again just standard sounds hear over and again in the early days. Now you gave me feedback that my own sounds were nothing special - and you know what I did'nt get all sore with your fedback, I actualy took it on board and am striving to push the sounds further.

EDIT - If you like this playing style and those sounds, then fair play to you, but I have to say I'd love to fiddle with your bits and see what sounds emminate


You admit to arrogance - well if you want to stand atop the arrogance plynth you're bound to draw fire, but you need to make sure your work will do the heavy lifting. Take the vocals on your tracks - can you not hear they are often out of tune? Mine are too, but the differenc eis - I know it, and I am very self critical as you can attest to from 'the other' forum.

I've a long way to go myself - and won't make too many claims to expertise.

Again I honestly do like your music, but there are guys up and comming who've only been at it a short while, with very limited resources that are really showing the likes of you and I the way. For me it's about listening to the very subtle differences that define where the leading edge of edm really sits.

One of my best mates is a very accomplished musician and guitarist in the classic sense, yet could no way produce a complete track and make it sound new and fresh, despite years of education and experience. So whilst I respect his skills, I certainly do not place them above the whipper snapper with FL studio putting stuff out that people actualy want to consume and making aname for himself.

Lots of love - and honestly I really enjoy your'e stuff and your posts - in fact I have a slight sick fascination of you (horse head on pillow may follow)


We won't always agree, but for my part I can like someone just as much as those you always agree with.

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Originally posted by alanzo Is my music/gear ratio off, oh great know-er of everything? (see MySpace link in sig)

Id say you are the best example of my point yet. though your podcast clip yields some clear production and nice melodies i am assuming the melody is from the original piece and not your own. all the other pieces on your myspace player sound to me like they were made by a technician with no real musical identity (IMO). it sounds like you have only ever listened to 2003-2007 trance music and come to your conclusions on your influence far too early on. after seeing your photo of a very swish looking studio i thought you may have come up with something a little more 'jump out and bit me on the arse' style. all i really heard on your player was a technician with an ability to fill the current trend of blasting the entire 20-20000hz spectrum without allowing any room for the music to breath. what you manage very well is to demonstrate how so many young and financially well off kids (be it through hard day job working, or through hand outs) manage to miss a valuable theme to a piece of music and thus end up with a non musical music by numbers outcome.

PS. ibiza sun is quite nice in the melodical stakes, but imagine if ferry corsten had done this track back in 99 with equipment costing 1/3rd of what you have spent. the production would probably be less tight, but it would have had more emotion because of his musical ability being so much more artistic than yours.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Now you gave me feedback that my own sounds were nothing special - and you know what I did'nt get all sore with your fedback, I actualy took it on board and am striving to push the sounds further.

I'm not following you here. If you re-read my posts, you'll see that I never said anything about your music - I simply suggested that you should post it so that we can hear it and compare it to other genres.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler ...but I stand by my assertion that the rythmic style of for example of your plucks in certain tracks is that we heard when edm began, and the sound choice of SOME sounds again just standard sounds hear over and again in the early days... EDIT - If you like this playing style and those sounds, then fair play to you, but I have to say I'd love to fiddle with your bits and see what sounds emminate

Yes, I do like my style, that's why I stick with it. I'm not out to please everybody and I really don't care if some people don't like my music, or feel that they could do it better - you can't please everybody and, if someone feels the need to "prove" that their music is better than mine, so be it. It's just a fun hobby to me at this point in my life. Also, just because I don't use a different style, or different rhythmic patterns, or different timbres, etc. (all of which are still plenty popular today, btw), doesn't mean I can't.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler You admit to arrogance - well if you want to stand atop the arrogance plynth you're bound to draw fire, but you need to make sure your work will do the heavy lifting.

a) I was half-joking about the arrogance (that's for others to determine IMO), but I'm quite confident that the people who know me well would say that I'm actually pretty humble in light of my many accomplishments and my willingness to go the extra mile to share my knowledge and experience with others.

b) I don't need to make sure that my work does anything other than please myself (and my collaborators). If someone else doesn't like it or feel that it's high quality, so what?

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Take the vocals on your tracks - can you not hear they are often out of tune? Mine are too, but the differenc eis - I know it, and I am very self critical as you can attest to from 'the other' forum.

Taking a cheap shot at my singers is pretty low and does not speak well of your character. That said, I do know that my singers aren't always in tune and they do as well. They're human and sometimes they sing out of tune. We tend to avoid the extreme use of auto-tune when necessary.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Lots of love - and honestly I really enjoy your'e stuff and your posts - in fact I have a slight sick fascination of you (horse head on pillow may follow)

Thanks a lot for that - I really appreciate it and I'll be sure to double-check my door locks before bed from now on!

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Originally posted by Richard Butler We won't always agree, but for my part I can like someone just as much as those you always agree with.

Good point! Agreed.

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Originally posted by cryophonik b) I don't need to make sure that my work does anything other than please myself (and my collaborators). If someone else doesn't like it or feel that it's high quality, so what?

With that attitude you won't earn the big bucks. The big bucks are the measure of musical worth. ;-)

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The empty glass of beer is totally pro. If alanzo were amateur it would be an empty soda can or water bottle. True pros use alcohol to fuel the creative process. :-)

My is never empty, so I guess that puts me in amateur category.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I'm not out to please everybody and I really don't care if some people don't like my music, or feel that they could do it better - you can't please everybody and, if someone feels the need to "prove" that their music is better than mine, so be it.

Amen!

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Originally posted by cryophonik 1) I never said anything about your music - I simply suggested that you should post it so that we can hear it and compare it to other genres. 2) Taking a cheap shot at my singers is pretty low and does not speak well of your character. That said, I do know that my singers aren't always in tune and they do as well. They're human and sometimes they sing out of tune. We tend to avoid the extreme use of auto-tune when necessary. .

1) You certainly did comment my sounds were'nt that cutting edge - you said you'd expecting more given my past comments on your sounds (on a&b forum)

2) Not a cheap shot. Merely the truth EXACTLY AS YOU GAVE ME.

You said of my singing - there are pitching and timing issues, but I dont get offended or prickly. Why be prickly and say I'm taking a cheap shot at your singer - Im not Im just saying there are some quite serious pitch errors which given your very competenat persona I guess was slightly surprising (for example your studio photos left no stone unturned, and no room for error, yet the vocals often seem pitchy which I think is more down to the producer than the singer).

I'm not a pro, I have no pro gear (is it based on cost?)

I adore making music though

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Originally posted by Richard Butler 1) You certainly did comment my sounds were'nt that cutting edge - you said you'd expecting more given my past comments on your sounds (on a&b forum)

Ohhhh....you're bubbletoe (lightbulb!). Sorry, I'm getting senile in my old age.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler ...yet the vocals often seem pitchy which I think is more down to the producer than the singer).

I disagree and the singers do as well. They're the singers, not me. It's their personal goal to work their craft to perfection and rely on solid takes, and minimizing the amount of post-processing (not that we don't, of course). For the most part, we aren't striving for that ultra-polished, over-auto-tuned, sterile, lifeless, unwaivering vocals sound that abounds today.

If you have ever heard some of those popular trance vocalists sing live without their Autotune (when they are not clearly lip-synching) you will realize they are not all that great at holding a note anyway. I think there used to be a YouTube up of one of the big ones that was particularly bad, but I forget who it was -- maybe the vocalist from Andain? :-)

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles If you have ever heard some of those popular trance vocalists sing live without their Autotune (when they are not clearly lip-synching) you will realize they are not all that great at holding a note anyway. I think there used to be a YouTube up of one of the big ones that was particularly bad, but I forget who it was -- maybe the vocalist from Andain? :-)

Yeah, that's exactly the reason we try to NOT over-do it with the auto-tune. The singers don't like to over-do it with the studio post-processing because: (a) some of them (e.g., Aliciya and Avonlea) perform these songs live and know that the people in the crowd who have heard these songs are going to have certain expectations, and (b) they know that over-use of studio processing can easily become a crutch and make them lazy with their practicing/preparation. It's actually a common point of discussion for us when we're in the studio.

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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE Id say you are the best example of my point yet. though your podcast clip yields some clear production and nice melodies i am assuming the melody is from the original piece and not your own. all the other pieces on your myspace player sound to me like they were made by a technician with no real musical identity (IMO). it sounds like you have only ever listened to 2003-2007 trance music and come to your conclusions on your influence far too early on. after seeing your photo of a very swish looking studio i thought you may have come up with something a little more 'jump out and bit me on the arse' style. all i really heard on your player was a technician with an ability to fill the current trend of blasting the entire 20-20000hz spectrum without allowing any room for the music to breath. what you manage very well is to demonstrate how so many young and financially well off kids (be it through hard day job working, or through hand outs) manage to miss a valuable theme to a piece of music and thus end up with a non musical music by numbers outcome.

OK, well, let's cut through the BS and talk turkey then. Any coward can throw stones at other people's work while hiding being the anonymity of a forum identity. Ultimately, all you're doing is throwing out your opinion, which quite frankly, I'm sure counts for very little to a guy like Alan given that you are new here and are too afraid of having your own fragile ego bruised by posting your own work while, to the contrary, Alan is a regular and respected contributor to this forum, has several songs signed to labels, produces patch banks for numerous synths (his Virus and Nord banks are actually quite popular), etc.

So, let's turn this whole discussion around and give you a chance to redeem yourself by actually contributing something useful to this forum, as everybody else participating in this thread has been doing for years. What exactly do you propose as a solution to your perceived problem? Should we all sell our gear and use FLS or Reason until we can demonstrate to you that we've achieved a level of musical/creative competence to make the next purchase? Obviously, that's not going to happen and is a laughable proposition anyway, so what exactly do you propose? Seriously, here is your chance to contribute something positive and perhaps change people's perception of you as just another newbie whiner or troll (which I don't think is the case), as stated by several others in previous posts.

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Originally posted by RichieV i started using my tablet as a mouse. It is really handy. I found mouses to strain my wrist.

yes its nice how you don't need to use your hands to use a tablet

love that feature

He uses a pro tablet, bro.

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Originally posted by hexadecimal He uses a pro tablet, bro.

4 sur. i usualy just use my nose, its lightyears more accorate than a mouse, simply.

Anyone who buys a synth like the Virus, then goes out and buys patch banks for it, has completely missed the point.

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Originally posted by hexadecimal Anyone who buys a synth like the Virus, then goes out and buys patch banks for it, has completely missed the point.

how about if I go out and buy a hammer and nail some soundbanks onto your face???? maybe you will get the point then

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Originally posted by Rasidel Slika 4 sur. i usualy just use my nose, its lightyears more accorate than a mouse, simply.

whom taught u how u do this?

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Originally posted by hexadecimal whom taught u how u do this?

its ez bro, i will post video 4 u later showing how 2 do it

thank u

best regards

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