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I can tell you dont posses the intelligence neccesary to hear the difference between the sound of your 4th chin hitting ur manboobs from mozart's don giovanni. Am I gifted, dickhead?

Well you're special, that's almost gifted.

Keep this civil, eh. This thread has some good thoughts and ideas in it, let's not ruin it now.

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Originally posted by stev� i forgot where i read about this, but, from what i understand there are patterns (especially in nature) that, for whatever reason, are just more appealing to the eye, ear, or mouth. for example, visually, things that have "balance" are just pleasing to the eye. we dont know why, they just do! its just one of those funny mysterious things about the universe.

It's a survival mechanism. Our brains developing the ability to read symmetry, & thus be able to tell when a friend or predator is looking at us, helped us evolved into what we are today. Faces are the best example - all it takes it two dots & a lower dot and we can easily imagine it talking to us.

Humans are natural pattern-recognizing machines, try observing two events or ideas & not form a logical link between the two into sense or nonsense - it's hardwired into us.

I think this underlying appreciation for symmetry works for sounds as well, specifically music, since it's just organized sound

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Originally posted by couch-potato I think this underlying appreciation for symmetry works for sounds as well, specifically music, since it's just organized sound

oh definitely. not even music but just sound by itself. notes, or frequencies, go well together when they are in harmony. theres a math formula to scales, forgot what it is but it has something to do with Pi and also something to do with a third of a third of a third and a formula that represents much of what you see in nature.

this totally bypasses taste, because everyone likes notes that are in harmony, regardless of race or upbringing.

i think the problem is when dance music producers try to get too clever and reinvent the wheel and make unbalanced music with annoying frequencies. Or they try to create the allure of the music being esoteric, or "underground". Music made by elitists for elitists. the more specific the agenda the more likely the music will fall on deaf ears.

it was always my understanding how this whole repetitive dance music phenomenon started was because it was intended to make music to please the most people as possible, bypassing race, language, upbringing, etc. so they made music with a simple beat that anyone could dance to, took out all the words so anyone of any language could understand, and because it was for a party they made it primarily positive sounding.

mmm peperoni

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Originally posted by Leniu I see only one major division between all sorts of music: 1. One where rhytm predominates.(Hiphop,Africana,House,etc.) 2. One where melody predominates.(Classical,Rock,Trance,etc.)

Depends on what kind of house. Electro house isn't about the ryhthmn as far as I know.

and there's plenty of rock that is about rythmn.

Re: Music tastes and wider tastes

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I can't, for instance, imagine someone who has generally highbrow tastes, reads Proust, watches Bergman movies, likes abstract visual art and then listens to happy hardcore

Hello there

I've always been the introverted outcast type...and from a young age sought out music that was off-the-beaten path, starting with that "easy listening" genre (think elevator music...not sure what I heard in it at the time, lol) and following through with experimental jazz, hip hop, electronic and alt-rock in the early 90s in the formative years. I suppose it follows that I can appreciate artsy fartsy movies to an extent and tend to detest total bottom-barrel vacuous Hollywood fodder...at the same time, I don't mind occasionally noncerebral entertainment as long as it is not asinine on every level, and I can appreciate the occasional well-crafted pop tune. Call it a bit of both worlds. Last book read was Huxley's Brave New World, so file that under the former (pretentious).

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Can you have "taste" in philosophy? It's not really a question of aesthetics, is it?

I want to hump William James' leg and love Wittgenstein, but hate Plato and Nietzsche. If that doesn't count as "taste", then I don't know what to call it.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Depends on what kind of house. Electro house isn't about the ryhthmn as far as I know. and there's plenty of rock that is about rythmn.

yea, i didnt mean to make clear-cut distinctions by genre, rather generalizations.

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Originally posted by Leniu yea, i didnt mean to make clear-cut distinctions by genre, rather generalizations.

Still, I think that people base their tastes more on atmosphere and structure/complicatedness than anything.

if you're good at every sport, you're a better athlete. if you listen to other genres, you are a better listener nuff said.

Unts, unts, unts.

What the fuck was the point?

Because I've had 2 years to stew, and I'd like to see more discussion on it. Also, it was a simple gesture that could have entertaining results.

I don't want to fuck people in toilets, Hal. What is wrong with me?

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...91#post11074191

Reading the thread through a head cold and the deja vu nearly killed me.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't want to fuck people in toilets, Hal. What is wrong with me?

You just don't feeeeeeeeeeeeeeel the music. Stop being so cerebral about it! You have to be more like nefardec, where music becomes a spiritual expurriense. *shifts thin-framed glasses down face with a dour curl to his bottom lip*

interestingly enough the guy who claimed that techno came from european high nrg was *sort of* right... i didn't know that at the time. but it was still made by predominantly black musicians in detroit who occasionally got a hold of some european hi nrg, among many other things

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Originally posted by Mattsanity. if you're good at every sport, you're a better athlete. if you listen to other genres, you are a better listener nuff said.

^wtf? this is one of the lamest things I've ever said in my entire illustrious life.

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Originally posted by nefardec interestingly enough the guy who claimed that techno came from european high nrg was *sort of* right... i didn't know that at the time. but it was still made by predominantly black musicians in detroit who occasionally got a hold of some european hi nrg, among many other things

Care to explain?

Could it be that some people look for different things in different art forms? I have a feeling I do that.
When it comes to movies I have very high standards and am extremely critical of things. Whether my taste should be described as high-brow or pretentious is up to you, but it definitely on that side of the spectrum.
Music, on the other hand, is the complete opposite. I look for mindless fun, something energetic to pump me up. A musical equivalent to the movies I like would just bore me to death, cause it's not what I'm looking for.
And literature is some sort of middle ground, where I read both Proust and Stephen King, cause both are great in their way and style. Let me also randomly point out that John dies at the End is the greatest book ever written.
So yeah, tastes are certainly not consistent when people pursue different things with different art forms. And even the most pretentious twat sometimes just wants a bit of mindless fun. They just call it guilty pleasures then. Because they're idiots and feel guilty about what they enjoy.

I could definitely tell you that a fascination with space and futurism as a young kid certainly had an effect on my music tastes - notably my love for atmospheric and trippy progressive, ambient/downtempo, some trance. I don't think it's a stretch going from Carl Sagan's Cosmos to UFOrb...

I'm also a big gamer, my tastes tend toward Japanese games, retro games, indie games, RPGs, shmups... I love the Wipeout series but I got into those after I already dipped my toes into the world of electronic music. Have an appreciation for symphonic music due to loving all the classic RPG soundtracks - in fact recently I went to see a symphony orchestra play music from the Final Fantasy games

Politically, I'm socially liberal and fiscally centrist (maybe slightly Republican, in the "balance our budget" way not in the "cut taxes for the rich while slashing benefits for everybody else"), only thing I'm conservative on is defense.

Books wise, I prefer nonfiction and escapist fantasy/sci-fi, movies I'm not too picky I just don't like the big-budget blockbuster Michael Bay ones.

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Originally posted by Woonyxoxo Care to explain?

well in brief, some detroit djs like the electrifying mojo were breaking european italo disco records.

it was definitely one of many influences for early techno producers.

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