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Originally posted by PVDfan07 Half of us on this forum don't care for dubstep or "relevent techno."

Probably another good point... if I enjoyed dubstep as much as I enjoy house or trance I might be more forgiving toward some of these things that turn me off. But, I don't... so I'm still gonna call a place that charges a cover for a free show "shady".

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Originally posted by inferno If anyone was to move to another US city for purely a dance music reason, I hope it would be to NYC, SF or Miami not Charlotte. No offense

I moved to Charlotte strictly for the EDM scene back in 2003, never once did I regret it. But you do need to get your facts straight. Moving to Miami for an EDM scene would be down right dumb, other than winter music conference Miami rarely gets good shows, even Charlotte and Atlanta has more shows year round compared to Miami. Now of course when stuff does occur in Miami it is fun.

If I could afford to move to NYC I would, these underground warehouse parties in Brooklyn have been fun as of recently.

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Originally posted by Dream Beamz Moving to Miami for an EDM scene would be down right dumb, other than winter music conference Miami rarely gets good shows, even Charlotte and Atlanta has more shows year round compared to Miami.

Your definition of "good" shows must be really different than mine

this thread reeeeeks of honkey now

Atlanta officially has the dumbest trancecrackers ever, lol.

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar I've been to "shady" dubstep at... Blue Frog / East Atlanta - Music tolerable, sound horrible, severely over-packed, horrible staff, nobody I was with has wanted to go back. Apache Cafe - Don't even get me started on this place. $5 "free" show, 45 minute bar wait, more douche bags operating the place, and the first place the super chill Bong has ever declared he'd rather chew off his own leg than go to again. Cafe Olivia - We'd sworn off random places but gave this bit the benefit of a doubt. Wasn't all that bad, but couldn't get into the vibe in an overlit room with people dressed as cats and bunnies hoola hooping in the back of a semi-warehouse rave. Really the only reason we didn't care so much for it is being served alcohol by what appeared to be a 14 year old, a pregnant lady, and well... we just weren't feelin' it. Not sure if you had anything to do with any of these shows, but they've been enough to turn me and friends off of the dubstep parties for a bit.

I've only been to the Blue Frog once and I thought the sound was great and it wasn't overcrowded, but I am sure that changes with each event. I know I was told that there were a lot more people at the previous one, and I heard that it was packed this past weekend. Overcrowding does suck, but it is nice to see a scene so well supported. I didn't have any drinks so I can't say anything about the service. I was really there because I had some friends playing next door at the TNS Bar. It was all house and progressive next door with maybe 10 people. I played there in December and it was about the same. It really highlights the differences in support. Dubstep next door packs out - house and progressive gets 10 people (including the DJs). Regardless, I wouldn't call poor service at a heavily attended event shady.

I haven't been to Apache, but that does sound shady.

I don't remember seeing any cats or rabbits hoola hooping at the event I went to Cafe Olivia - but that definitely sounds like a rave. I am A-OK with the rave though. I prefer cats and bunnies to Ed Hardy any day of the week. I also like the bare bones venue - then it is up to the promoter to spice it up (lights, projections, lazers, whatever...). The same people were working behind the bar though. I got the impression they were the owners family members and I will never begrudge a family for trying to make it work. Either way, I wouldn't consider it shady.

Anyone ever go to the Pyramid? THAT was shady. Ketamin bottles and syringes on a floor are usually tell tale signs of shadiness. No light show and poor service are simply just that. I think we have different ideas of shady. I guess I have a different threshold cause if you went to any raves in the 90's in DC and Baltimore you get a completely different feel for what shady means.

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Originally posted by ChrstnMchl Ketamin bottles and syringes on a floor are usually tell tale signs of shadiness.

More like tell tale signs of a party.

The problem I have with over crowding is that it seems to make the staff at these little venues freak out and act more rude and aggressive. I understand that they may not be used to that volume, and I understand that higher numbers of intoxicated folks is pretty stressful... but they should still act somewhat friendly and professional if they want me to come back.

I never really bought on to that whole "If we act aloof and indifferent to our clientele they'll think we're more cool and hip" thing.

Cafe Olivia... call me paranoid, I just don't feel comfortable in events run like that. I was told by someone who helped put that on that they don't actually have a liquor license. The fact that they didn't have an open sign makes it a private party, where there shouldn't be legal issues there. Except that they were charging a cover. We went outside a few times, and even went down to the Graveyard a bit and witnessed a few patrol cars gathering around. I just don't feel comfortable in a place with a good chance of getting busted up by the pigs any minute. If it becomes a bit more legit, I wouldn't mind going back.

I can't make any sense of your posts

Nobody was hula hooping at cafe olivia

Yes a pregnant woman, an owner, was serving (not drinking) alcohol. God forbid she didn't have fake boobs and a tramp stamp tattoo...how sketchy that she didn't

The Apache door issue was out of the promoter's hands. Sounds like the tiesto show with the cut line pass. At the end of the show the promoter gave everyone their money back and the door guy was fired.

If you guys prefer the Operas to the Graveyards, so be it. If you want to complain about little things, fine...but recognize that those things happen at your favorite clubs too.

Forgive me, they weren't hoola hoops... they were sticks with fuzzy pink shit, or maybe feathers sticking out of the ends.



And again, dude... we didn't enjoy the shows. And it's people with your freakin' attitude that makes me not want to go back. Instead of owning up to the fact that things could improve, you're acting like a jackass and insinuating that I'm the retard because I don't care to be treated poorly when I go out. Great representation of your whole scene!

... and nobody I was with got any money back from Apache. But I'm not totally butthurt, I'm just never going back there. The end.

Weren't you the one bitching about how wetbar was a terrible club?

Sounds to me like you're the common denominator here. Have you ever had a good experience anywhere? People like you will never fail in finding something to bitch about. You're the reason customers aren't always treated with respect, who wants to deal with someone like that?

It's like you want explanations, but don't want to hear them...

Yea cause Wetbar caused us a few grand in legal fees.

You'll never hear me bitching about...

Masquerade
Halo
Graveyard
Door 44
And not that they ever had anything to do with EDM, but Velvet Room was always courteous as well.

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Originally posted by inferno It's like you want explanations, but don't want to hear them...

Your "explanation" to me was along the lines of 'you haven't gone to any of these places so how would you know'. Kudos to whoever handed out money at Apache. I'm still not going back. You'll probably see me at events at Graveyard and Masquerade, and I hear The Mark is about to do some business on Fridays. Other places? Just not my thing. Is that SO wrong?

You should have a blog.

Screw blogs, I Yelp.

Seems like there is a lot going on in Atlanta that nobody really knows about. Maybe some more promotion would make the scene not appear so dead.

Either case, most of you seem like you're complaining just to hear yourself talk. I'm all for hearing myself talk, I do it all the time. In fact I'm talking to myself right now and it's quite enjoyable. Sometimes I like to record my voice and play it back to myself.

Wait a second. What are we talking about?

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Originally posted by CyclonesWorld Wait a second. What are we talking about?

Do you still balance things on your cat's head?

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar Do you still balance things on your cat's head?

Nah. I've graduated to trying to get him to wear this cat hat I bought for him from Target. So far my attempts have been unsuccessful because he claws at me and hides when I approach him, hat in hand.

Here is a admittedly bad photo of him wearing the hat.

You should make your cat a pimp.

Maybe they should open a club for cats. That'd be awesome.

... it'd be the most violent club by far.

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Originally posted by Seppuku Weren't you the one bitching about how wetbar was a terrible club? Sounds to me like you're the common denominator here. Have you ever had a good experience anywhere? People like you will never fail in finding something to bitch about. You're the reason customers aren't always treated with respect, who wants to deal with someone like that?

Who cares. If she has had bad experiences, she's had bad experiences. Evidently you've taken it upon yourself to look like a jackass. Good job. If they didn't act like jerks, she wouldn't complain. I've had bad experiences at most venues I've been to too. Especially with EDM I haven't liked any of them. I respect Maggie for being vocal about it. These places suck. You guys can defend your crappy venues all you want. Though they may not have gunfire, they still have shady dealings going on. Your dubstep shows attract just as bad of crowd as Opera, just a different one. There will still be a bunch of drugged out idiots either place. So, you people can attack our tastes and try to say we need to expand what we listen too, but it's all coming out that you guys look just as bad with your respective scene. The EDM scene as a whole is messed up.

I, for one, am not attacking any scene nor do I think one is better than the other. I simply have a different view of what a "shady venue" means. When I personally think of shady I think of being in true personal danger. But the definition given here, then absolutely, yes, EVERY club is inherently shady. These places, whether they are posh and expensive, or dingy and underground, deal in debauchery. Shade, in that sense, is in their very nature.


I truly believe that there are some unrealistic expectations here. Liquified brought a bunch of the DJs you wanted last year and maybe everyone from TA showed, but it was clearly not enough to pay the bills. I don't understand what you guys want/ expect. You won't support Opera because of the douchebaggery, yet it is the only place that actually gets a crowd. Do you really expect someone to throw an event for you at their own loss? Out of the goodness of their own heart? Get real.

You either have to support the underground events in the smaller venues with local DJs and rebuild from there - or go to Opera or some other megaclub and deal with all of the problems that entails - or do it yourself. Those are your options and I think it is entirely naive to think that there would be any options other than that. I mean, seriously, how much money do you expect promoter's to lose so that the people at the Trance Addict forum can think that the Atlanta scene is better than Charlotte's? Some people here are living in a bubble.

This isn't about one scene being better than the other. It is about the scene as a whole. If you only like one genre and there aren't enough other people around to support it then you better get a gas card (I remember crossing multiple state lines to see a good show back in the day) - expecting someone else to provide it for you will get you nowhere - neither will bitching about it on a forum (although it might make you feel better... mental masturbation, mmmmmm).

Personally, I'd like to go back to multiple genre parties...

I don't really expect anyone to do anything. I was just simply letting off some steam about my lack of enjoyment for the current "market", if you will, of events. I've really just stopped going out at all for the most part, but have ventured to a few dubstep shows to hang out with my boyfriend who loves drum and bass.

There are a few places that seem to get it right (see my Yelp reviews for Graveyard and Masquerade http://maggles.yelp.com), I just think most places get it WAY wrong. It really doesn't take much to please me, but there admittedly are a few things that'll set me off REAL quick; disrespectful staff being #1 on that list.

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