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Originally posted by polkaudio Let the music do the talking.

amen.

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Originally posted by polkaudio Agreed.. You were at work, did a great job and dont need to sell us your music by posing, smiling, gesturing, touching etc. Aside from the terrible state of label whore djs who put out 2 hours of personal productions and all. I really detest the current 2-3 year trend of circus antics being churned out by these attention hungry laptop junkies. The bullshit that goes on in the booth is nothing but a circus act. Let the music do the talking. Every Dj is now selling a brand and a character. In a way, a lot of them act like professional wrestlers. The last thing i want to see is some Dj acting like jesus, puting their headphones in the air or creating some other retarted pose that serves no purpose but to evoke a reaction from the scenesters. Then you have this current trend of hand/finger hearts.. wtf? Is this a Miley Cyrus concert? Who wants to see a row of emotionally charged females up front anticipating when they will get their first/next chance at touching a Djs hand. Enough is enough, I would like to turn the clock back and put the booth back to where it belongs.

I agree. And disagree.

Let the music do the talking, for sure! However, when you have hundreds and sometimes thousands of people looking in your direction, it's part of s dj's job to "entertain". Agreed, the pompus poses and acting like a clown is a little uncalled for, but people certainly do feed off the vibe a dj puts out by their actions as well. Dancing around, jumping around, showing an audience they are just as into the music as they are is KEY to a good performance as a DJ, and is intrical to how an audience will respond to the music.

Long gone are the days where the dj was some person in the corner who nobody cared to see. If you want it back that way, stay home and listen to your ipod in bed under your sheets.

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Originally posted by Firechild I agree. And disagree. Let the music do the talking, for sure! However, when you have hundreds and sometimes thousands of people looking in your direction, it's part of s dj's job to "entertain". Agreed, the pompus poses and acting like a clown is a little uncalled for, but people certainly do feed off the vibe a dj puts out by their actions as well. Dancing around, jumping around, showing an audience they are just as into the music as they are is KEY to a good performance as a DJ, and is intrical to how an audience will respond to the music. Long gone are the days where the dj was some person in the corner who nobody cared to see. If you want it back that way, stay home and listen to your ipod in bed under your sheets.

a dj provides sound. He is not an actor or a go go dancer. I dont go to see a dj jump around like an idiot. If anything im interested in the technical aspects of what hes doing to provide sound.

Want a dj to be a show monkey? then get him on the decks to do some scratching, or phasing, or cuts. But jumping around and pretending to be that guy who guides 747s into the airport gate is not my idea of a good show.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 a dj provides sound. He is not an actor or a go go dancer. I dont go to see a dj jump around like an idiot. If anything im interested in the technical aspects of what hes doing to provide sound. Want a dj to be a show monkey? then get him on the decks to do some scratching, or phasing, or cuts. But jumping around and pretending to be that guy who guides 747s into the airport gate is not my idea of a good show.

I agree for the most part. Altho I thought Eddie Halliwell was pretty cool to watch on the decks last year so animated looked like he was really into the music. Fire it UP!!!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 a dj provides sound. He is not an actor or a go go dancer. I dont go to see a dj jump around like an idiot. If anything im interested in the technical aspects of what hes doing to provide sound. Want a dj to be a show monkey? then get him on the decks to do some scratching, or phasing, or cuts. But jumping around and pretending to be that guy who guides 747s into the airport gate is not my idea of a good show.

Wow. Jaded much?

Do you just stand there and listen to the music, expressionless, and resist with all temptation to move your body? What's the point in going out? To talk with friends. Get a phone!

Imagine 1 person on the dancefloor (ie YOU) standing there as pictured above. Expressionless, motionless, lifeless. A DJ sees you, he's going to do the exact same thing. DJ unemotionally, motionless, lifeless.
Now, imagine 1 person on the dancefloor again (ie ME), dancing around, arms in the air, clapping, voicing my pleasure. A DJ sees me do that and he's going to do the exact same thing! Because he feeds off my vibe as well.

It's reciprical.

DJ's can show expression through their actions (dancing, clapping, cheering, singing along), just like listeners show expression through their actions (ie dancing, clapping, cheering, singing along).

Why is this so hard to accept?

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Originally posted by Ferg I agree for the most part. Altho I thought Eddie Halliwell was pretty cool to watch on the decks last year so animated looked like he was really into the music. Fire it UP!!!

Exactly! It's about getting into the music and manipulating it as a DJ. Not just about being a DJ.

I agree with Firechild and Ferg for the most part. It energizes the crowd, knowing that the DJ is having a great time as well.
Not that a DJ can't have a great time without showing it (which I was proved wrong about by Rank 1), but it's nice to see them get into it a little.

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Originally posted by PietRank1 For those who thought I didn't enjoy myself: When I am playing i am so concentrated what to play and how to mix good, that my face shows something like I don't care at all. Well, that's the problem of my face and it will probably always be this way when I am playing. Sorry for that. My conclusion of saturday : For me, one of the best nights in the guv adn I hope to be back soon!

Sorry I got the wrong impression.
I'm glad you enjoyed it, and that most people enjoyed your performance

You don't need to apologize for your face

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Originally posted by Firechild Wow. Jaded much? Do you just stand there and listen to the music, expressionless, and resist with all temptation to move your body? What's the point in going out? To talk with friends. Get a phone! Imagine 1 person on the dancefloor (ie YOU) standing there as pictured above. Expressionless, motionless, lifeless. A DJ sees you, he's going to do the exact same thing. DJ unemotionally, motionless, lifeless. Now, imagine 1 person on the dancefloor again (ie ME), dancing around, arms in the air, clapping, voicing my pleasure. A DJ sees me do that and he's going to do the exact same thing! Because he feeds off my vibe as well. It's reciprical. DJ's can show expression through their actions (dancing, clapping, cheering, singing along), just like listeners show expression through their actions (ie dancing, clapping, cheering, singing along). Why is this so hard to accept?

sure djs can do this... but should it be something used to judge whether or not their set was good? im not against djs having a good time. But there is a clear difference between being "in the groove" and being a show boater.

Lets compare say tiesto and carl cox. Carl cox def gets into the groove and has a good time. What does he do? He dances around while he mixes. But thats only at certain times. No fake poses, no BS. tiesto? Well he practically invented the showboating poses. Jesus poses, air traffic controller moves. IF A DJ NEEDS TO RELY ON THIS TO EXCITE A CROWD HE SHOULDNT BE A DJ

so to say dj such and such was crap and is only there for a paycheque because he happened to be concentrating on doing his job is ridiculous. If the guy plays a kick ass set, thats all that should matter.

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Originally posted by Firechild Do you just stand there and listen to the music, expressionless, and resist with all temptation to move your body?

Haha Digweed.

Why shouldn't a dj dance, move around and interact with the crowd? It shows they're having fun and enjoying the party.

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Originally posted by v-vaughn Haha Digweed. Why shouldn't a dj dance, move around and interact with the crowd? It shows they're having fun and enjoying the party.

but there is a big diff between dancing, being in the groove, and posing.

also its become a requirement in some people's minds.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 so to say dj such and such was crap and is only there for a paycheque because he happened to be concentrating on doing his job is ridiculous. If the guy plays a kick ass set, thats all that should matter.

This is clearly directed at my comment earlier.

I didn't like Rank 1's set because of the tunes he spun, not solely because he was practically emotionless.
If he had spun stuff I liked I would probably not even have mentioned the latter.

Also, I don't see anything wrong with commenting on the fact.
I'm not allowed for some reason?

Get off the high horse.

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Originally posted by c-mal This is clearly directed at my comment earlier. I didn't like Rank 1's set because of the tunes he spun, not solely because he was practically emotionless. If he had spun stuff I liked I would probably not even have mentioned the latter. Also, I don't see anything wrong with commenting on the fact. I'm not allowed for some reason? Get off the high horse.

But you did, and i dont think it should matter either way. Its all about the music.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 but there is a big diff between dancing, being in the groove, and posing.

Why didn't you just say that in the first place? lol.
You and polkaudio made it seem like it was what made you either respect or hate the dj

i agree that it does help if a dj moves a little bit.. HOWEVER, it is not a requirement so people need to stop bitching about it.

i might not be dancing or jumping around like a fucking monkey in the wild to be enjoying my night and the music. it all depends on the person's personality. some people just dont dance. give the djs a break.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 but there is a big diff between dancing, being in the groove, and posing. also its become a requirement in some people's minds.

Yeah, some people expect it. I personally LOVE seeing a dj with a huge smile on their faces during their set (and I mean a GENUINE smile). But I've also seen incredible sets from really serious looking djs.
The genre plays a huge part in how a dj acts too, of course. Imagine seeing a trance dj that has similar mannerisms to Luciano while spinning (cigarette hanging out of his mouth and all)...jumping and Jesus posing just works better for trance.

lol start a new thread call "DANCE DJ WE PAID TO SEE YOU DANCE"

I would rather a cardboard cut out that spins a sick set, then some douche bag jumping around doing glow sticks while his set goes to shit.

Like I usually like Menno but I thought his set fell short. Altho it looked like hes been practicing his dance moves and high fives.... Sorry Menno

You got Erick Morillo. Crowd pleaser, dancing in the booth all the time & a pussy magnet. Spins great house music but lacks mixing skills but it doesn't matter because he possess the qualities mentioned.
Nick Warren, underground, sleazy, sexy, dark you name it, house & breakbeats. Not a crowd pleaser or dancer but very concentrated on his set. It's admireable but the music speaks for itself.
John Digweed, in my humble opinion, one of the best mixer's (other than Sasha/Phil K/Lee Burridge/Meat Katie) in the world. He tackles progressive, tek, tribal or funky house like no one else. Any of his appearances have a true underground feelin'. The most concentrated DJ I've seen in my life. He loosen's up, just gotta see when.
Steve Lawler, plays music for adults, haha A fantastic DJ & a legend in the House scene. Enough said.
The point is, it's the music and atmosphere present at the party not the DJ or their celebrity status. You enter a room, look around you, the moment you feel that positive vibe & energy, let's fucking party, rather it's an trance/house/breakbeat/dnb/jungle/garage that's all to relevance. At the end of night, you will remember the DJ because as time goes by with the amount of paties you will experience, each DJ produces a set that has an own adventure & taste It's not rocket science people.

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Originally posted by chinamon i might not be dancing or jumping around like a fucking monkey in the wild to be enjoying my night and the music. it all depends on the person's personality. some people just dont dance. give the djs a break.

There's people who stand and are shy of whatever they approach. We're all different and some need time to settle. The worst is when these posers come out, walk seemlessly and stand around. Not a smile, nothing. White/black/yellow/brown fucking supremacy, cat's wrapped in hat's, go to another party with similar taste

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Originally posted by v-vaughn Imagine seeing a trance dj that has similar mannerisms to Luciano while spinning (cigarette hanging out of his mouth and all)

Kenny G, always had a sick hat and cig in his mouth.

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Originally posted by bluE_Neon There's people who stand and are shy of whatever they approach. We're all different and some need time to settle. The worst is when these posers come out, walk seemlessly and stand around. Not a smile, nothing. White/black/yellow/brown fucking supremacy, cat's wrapped in hat's, go to another party with similar taste

im not shy.. at least i dont think i am.
when i first started partying i danced from open until close. i didnt even leave the dancefloor to get a drink. i would send a friend. (lol)
the only time i left the dancefloor was to pee. ever since i started working in the industry my partying has changed. i can have just as much fun standing around and "people watching" as i did when i danced all night. i guess i just see the party through a different set of eyes now.

lordy..this argument again??

I have no problems with dj's that interact..as long as the music is not suffering because of it..why not? It is entertainment after all. I don't see what is wrong with having personality? Last I checked, they are humans not robots.

Dj's that are visually entertaining bring a whole new element into the show. If the point of the show is to JUST hear the tunes, why not stay home and pop in a cd?

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Originally posted by gummybear I have no problems with dj's that interact..as long as the music is not suffering because of it..why not? It is entertainment after all. I don't see what is wrong with having personality? Last I checked, they are humans not robots.

you said it. they are humans, not robots. so each person is different. some djs may have the personality to dance around a bit while others like to concentrate on their set. not everyone can multitask equally. many of us has just come to expect djs to dance around and throw their hands up but thats not how it should be. i think a good set is primary, the interaction is secondary and not absolutely required.

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Originally posted by chinamon im not shy.. at least i dont think i am. when i first started partying i danced from open until close. i didnt even leave the dancefloor to get a drink. i would send a friend. (lol) the only time i left the dancefloor was to pee. ever since i started working in the industry my partying has changed. i can have just as much fun standing around and "people watching" as i did when i danced all night. i guess i just see the party through a different set of eyes now.

You matured and most things appear just. You're getting old chinamon!

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Originally posted by gummybear Dj's that are visually entertaining bring a whole new element into the show. If the point of the show is to JUST hear the tunes, why not stay home and pop in a cd?

Hey bear, it's a little past your bedtime, don't you think? Get back into your hole
Show? I thought it was a party not a circus or late night Jay Leno

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Originally posted by chinamon you said it. they are humans, not robots. so each person is different. some djs may have the personality to dance around a bit while others like to concentrate on their set. not everyone can multitask equally. many of us has just come to expect djs to dance around and throw their hands up but thats not how it should be. i think a good set is primary, the interaction is secondary and not absolutely required.

I agree. I would take a great set any day.

However, when executed correctly, a dj that can connect with his audience through their eyes AND ears, is always going to provide that much more of an experience for most (not all) party goers.

a la Eddie Halliwell..

bluE_Neon - so let's not bother with the lights or the decor either. Who needs to actually look at anything? Just listen to the music!

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Originally posted by gummybear I agree. I would take a great set any day. However, when executed correctly, a dj that can connect with his audience through their eyes AND ears, is always going to provide that much more of an experience for most (not all) party goers. a la Eddie Halliwell..

yes, when executed correctly with a dj that has that type of personality/character. personally, i couldnt care less about what a dj is doing with the crowd. it is entertaining to watch but meh. id rather watch him/her mix.

chinamon is definitely not shy. I've seen him numerous times playing with his ding dong in the men's washroom while staring into the other urinals...

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis chinamon is definitely not shy. I've seen him numerous times playing with his ding dong in the men's washroom while staring into the other urinals...

hahaha
im pretty sure there are pics on mortyman's missing camera

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