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| Originally posted by DJ RANN Really? I've had my hotmail for 12 years now. use it all day long. And WTF happened to this thread? |
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| Originally posted by mfitterer1 My point exactly welcome to EDM. You can't make complex music very easily because it's extremely difficult for people to understand on the floor; which is what this music is intended for. |
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| Originally posted by mfitterer1 About those examples being shit that was made better ten years ago; get over yourself Richie that's ridiculously nonsensical. |
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| Originally posted by RichieV There are tracks that have sounds in 8 bars I can't grasp. You still haven't told me how to do that synth sound that is apparently really easy because all EDM is. It isn't easy, the skill is just in different areas like sound design .... |
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| Originally posted by RichieV Tell me one thing about those links that was not already in trance 5-10 years ago. The worst art is redundant art. There is nothing in those tracks that makes me go wow , how the fuck was that done. |
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| Originally posted by lenieNt Force I don't think Leons tracks are easy to make mate. Leon is a true master of his craft  If its easy why aren't you putting out 40-50 tracks a year at the same standard? Its a simple question with a simple equation Its not 40-50 btw.. its around 10 a year. Leon is gifted, its simple to hear if you have an ear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_7dR0RuMCg I had a very long reply written, I listened to this and it told me its not worth it, neither is it worth it telling its not worth it, so again I see myself ashamed at what Im doing, but ok.. Other points you make are good, I just disagree that its simple art, because it all depends on what your reference tracks are within the genre Theres good and bad pieces of music within every genre. I know you know that aswell, but its a fact you have to keep in mind when generalizing a genre for being "easier to make," or what could be implied as being "lesser." Also theres lots more trash inside EDM because it's so easy to start playing around with. We all know that, and it facilitates the prejudice and generalization factor of the genre a whole lot.Some things to think about : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0Oo19ijz0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Y2r-o5mQ0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FwbsSdWh-U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A54ARXaHLoo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CC0pgmqEqQ I don't think it's all theory and simple art, I think it is a bit of self-expression and a heart. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c52KR9e_wU Listen man.. it's so much emotion I have trouble standing on my feet when I listen to this, as his emotions rushes from him, through the music into me! Thats what it's all about. It's so majestetic, just so majestetic and powerful it overflows, can't you hear it.. it is a godsend. One should live in awe of a man like Leon, not call his art simple. I cry so easily to this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vloSmBrOfys Tears flowing down my chin.. This doesn't come from theory alone. For the record, Im not trying to give you bad thoughts.. Cause I believe you create great music, but I don't believe its all theory. I believe you have some sort of talent for expressing yourself through music, whether you know it or not, else you wouldn't be here. Not everyone has that. People are tone-deaf man. People have no sense of rhythm at all.  ------------------------------ Anyway folks, I find myself spending too much time on here so this will be the last time you see me for I don't know how long.. Much love and respect, and I wish you all good fortune and best of luck with music and life in general from now on forward! Bye guys.. I have really loved the forum and it has helped me in so many ways, from the time I started browsing it some 5 years ago.. but it takes up too much of my time as it is now, so I'll have to say goodbye! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh9SN9Rm16M |
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| Originally posted by mfitterer1 I never have contended that I am a sound design master. In fact I INTENTIONALLY stay away from spending too much time on sound design because it is the least important of areas to focus on and you can spend eons doing nothing productive for the track as a whole. All of my time gets spent on arrangement (Most important) and mixing (close 2nd). My music is based off grouping sounds. I definitely am not the person to ask about how to make a sound because everything I do is done through experimentation. What's the point of trying to figure out how someone else did something? Imo it only promotes people making similar music. I look at others music as whole entities so that I can enjoy it as a fan does. I learned the basics vicariously and now that I have those down the rest is done through time and trial. This insures everything I do is original. Trance is still trance. There are elements that will always be in it; Leon just does them BETTER. You see redundant because you're looking at things solely for technical viewpoints and not appreciating them as they were designed to be appreciated. Go listen to Ocean Drive Boulevard. If you can't appreciate that then you need to quit music (or atleast find a classical production forum). The tracks aren't made to shock people; they are made to make the dance floor go crazy. You have to realize us as producers as we gain more knowledge things over time will not give us those feelings that we once had before we had all of the technical savvy. If they shocked you then the clubbers sure as hell would be clueless as to what was happening. The music is made for them; not old men who sit and bitch about things being redundant and the same as the past/unoriginal. I'll give you a chance to redeem yourself. If you even find ANY trance to be great; I'd love to hear some of your personal favorites because trashing Leon is just downright dumb and anyone who enjoys and knows trance will laugh at you to your face because he has been making great music for a long time consistently. |
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| Originally posted by aNYthing I'm quoting this in hopes that one day you can come back here, re-read your comments, slap yourself heartily on the forehead and say "wow, hard to imagine I had absolutely no taste in music and also wrote like a little fangirl" Sorry man - the only emotion that Leon's tracks evoke in me is a desire to shut the source of the sound off IMMEDIATELY and inflict great bodily harm upon anyone who plays that shit. If you think he's got tallent, you haven't seen shit yet son. I'd understand if you tell me you're 8. Anything older than that and you got no excuse. Tastes are subjective, distaste is obvious. Generic, un-inspiring garbage. Pardon my French. |
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| Originally posted by aNYthing the more you talk, the more I suspect you're just fucking with people. From the way you express yourself, high and mighty, to the way you make an ass out of yourself, I just realized that every single thing you ever said makes me want the time I spent reading it back. badly. Fuck, I'd trade it in 2:1 and I'm a fast reader too! My teeth ache because your posts are so dull. Can't you find another hobby? |
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| Originally posted by mfitterer1 Troll. Go back to what you're good at; which is nothing. There are a lot of people that agree with a lot of what I say. I could care less if nobody did I just speak my mind. Had a bad day at work? Caught your gf cheating on you? Life sucks better end it brah |
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| Originally posted by mfitterer1 LOOOOOL! It's always hilarious watching the people who slam others for their tastes in music say that someone is untalented. You notice it never happens the other way around? |
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While I don't share the extreme sentiment for Leon that Lenient does I would love to have you show me even ONE trance producer who has made as good of tracks as CONSISTENTLY as Leon has for the past 5 years or so. I'll be waiting... |
OMG this is the most tiresome thread I've ever read in my life. What was the original question again??
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| Originally posted by Reno OMG this is the most tiresome thread I've ever read in my life. What was the original question again?? |
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| Originally posted by daeus Enjoying Catanya though. |
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| Originally posted by cryophonik And, it only took 8 pages! |
zomg im like wizard in midi now
I know it is a little late to be relevant, but for arpeggios, has anyone considered the 'tracker' type programs that have been used to made computer music for ages? Most of them have this built in effect where you put in your note, then a couple numbers that describe the amount and direction of your arpegiating. The chiptunes tend over-use the hell out of that effect and you almost get sick of hearing all the arpy notes in those old mod files. As far as modern tracks go a relatively well known one that uses that chippy arpeggiator abuse type sound recently was tiesto's "louder than boom".
probably not the sound you were going for when putting up the question though, but I imagine it is possible to use the effect without sounding like a chiptune.
I guess the tradeoff to using a tracker is that the effect probably only works from a sample and that if can only trigger like 2 or 3 notes.
Still I thought it might be interesting to mention that tracker programs have included that little arpeggiator built in effect thingy since almost as long as I've been alive. I am mostly just a kid playing with noisy toys but I like to do my stuff in renoise and it has that old arpeggiator thingy in it.
This whole thing might not even be close to what we are talking about here, disregard this if im making no sense at all :P
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| Originally posted by mfitterer1 LOOOOOL! It's always hilarious watching the people who slam others for their tastes in music say that someone is untalented. You notice it never happens the other way around? While I don't share the extreme sentiment for Leon that Lenient does I would love to have you show me even ONE trance producer who has made as good of tracks as CONSISTENTLY as Leon has for the past 5 years or so. I'll be waiting... |
Hey Cryo - Do you think you could explain the basics along with the specifics of an arp and step sequencer. Not much to say about an arp I don't think but step sequencers seem to be a lot more flexible thus allowing them to be more open to technological advances. I re-downloaded the Thesys demo and am checking it out again and was just curious if you could shine some light on this subject. As always, thanks a ton in advance.
An arpeggiator just plays back the notes that you feed into it. So, if you play/sequence a Cmaj chord (C/E/G) into it, it will only play back C, E, and G, but it obviously cycles through them in a rhythmic pattern (e.g., up, down, up/down, random, etc.). And, most arps allow you to play back those notes over a range of several octaves. Catanya gives you a lot of flexibility to create your own arp patterns. But, the key point is that you cannot tell an arpeggiator to play back notes that aren't fed into it. In other words, you can't play that Cmaj chord into Catanya and have it spit out a pattern containing D, F, A, etc. notes or create a melody containing notes that aren't played into it.
Step sequencers have much flexibility and come in more varieties. They can trigger notes, intervals, performance parameters, etc. When working with notes, step sequencers are often used to create one-note melodies by creating a sequence of notes relative to what you play into it. For example, say I play a C5 into a step sequence assigned to play the following sequence of intervals (i.e., the step sequence is assigned to change oscillator pitch in semitones):
0 3 -2 0 7 0 10
the notes played back from holding down the C5 (note 0) would be:
C5 Eb5 Bb4 C5 G5 C5 Bb5
And, if I tried playing a a Cmin chord into that same sequence, I'm going to get all of those intervals played relative to each note in my Cmin chord (in other words, a complete clusterf*** of notes). That's what I mean when I say that a step sequencer is not an arp and vice-versa. Step sequencers are great for creating "one-note wonders."
Many step sequencers (esp. Thesys) will work on much more than just note intervals. For example, Thesys will let you assign sequences to any MIDI CC value and much more. So, you can sequence filter cutoff, PWM, portamento, effects parameters, etc. and route it to any synth that can receive MIDI CCs.
edit: clarified step sequence intervals
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