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Originally posted by fantom You don't agree with me on this one, go fu+k yourself! (am I arrogant or what?!)

Yes you're fucking arrogant, you could even be considered as a stereo-typical arrogant American, even though you're from Canada...
not cool for you to be assimilated as an American, uh ?

As some others said, please not stupid patriotism in this thread..
why all threads on TA involving the USA have to turn into a war against the USA ??

Like that idiot who started it a few pages ago, saying something like "trance sucks in the USA...why ? look at their fucking government !"

whatever....

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Originally posted by Eugene I agree with you! Quality Trance could never be produced here in America, because the people here are different, and the culture is different too! Trance is European music, and it's about European culture...

This is stupid, why couldn't quality trance be produced in the US ?
because of different cultures you say ?
There are many different cultures in the US, it's all about a mix of different cultures, and, you should know know that there is not a single one culture in Europe, cultures here are different in each country, so please don't make generalizations by saying there's only one European culture...

And talking about Trance producers in Europe, we generally only hear about British, Belgian, Dutch, German, Swiss, Italy or some Scandinavian countries...that doesn't quite sums up whole Europe, only half of it

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Originally posted by xebos Lets not forget that we are all on the same side here. Everyone here likes trance no matter where it comes from. so lets not turn this into a which country is better flame war!

Thank you very much Xebos...
this is what i was just refering to in my previous post, that everytime the USA is involved in a thread, it turns into a "Europe roxx VS America sucks" discussion...

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Originally posted by C-naptik Yes you're fucking arrogant, you could even be considered as a stereo-typical arrogant American, even though you're from Canada... not cool for you to be assimilated as an American, uh ? As some others said, please not stupid patriotism in this thread.. why all threads on TA involving the USA have to turn into a war against the USA ?? Like that idiot who started it a few pages ago, saying something like "trance sucks in the USA...why ? look at their fucking government !" whatever....

whaaaaat? ok, i'm really NOT trying to start a war over u.s. vs any country but wtf...

first you degrade fantom by calling him a "stereotypical arrogant american" knowing he is canadian and even go on top of that by saying "not cool for you to be assimilated as an american, uh"

i could sterotype just like you by saying "well, he is ovbiously french because of his rudeness and lack of reserve" but i don't, because most intelligent people don't stereotype others...and secondly, if people start to flame war, it is because of people like you who make ridiculous comments that offends people.

don't make generalizations about americans and then put down people to be "assimilated" with them on top of it and not expect some americans to get offended...just a suggestion

what about oakenfold?

(or am i saying something stupid right now)

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Originally posted by kreischer2000 what about oakenfold? (or am i saying something stupid right now)

are you talking about paul??? i'm guessing that you are, and i don't want to call you stupid, but oakey is not american. he is english, born in london.

I completely agree that euro productions are 15 times better. I am from america and i have heard every american dj mentioned. D fuse is a bad ass. He was with oakenfold at this place called the redzone and he tore oakie's ass to pieces. But still everyone listens to eminem and nelly. DJ Micro is really good at his mixing and getting the crowd going which i thiink are a dj 's main job. His Tracklisting from this set on the 4th of july had good tracks in it like Lange feat. Skye - Drifting Away And Marc Aurel the sun. I really like Tiesto Ferry and Armin. And honestly i Think MIcro does too. He puts out cd's that match especially Ferry. Just about 6 to 8 months later. I would have never knew about the good trance if it wasn''t for micro or christopher lawrence. They are both awesome. I know trance is the thiinng over there but it isn't here at all. I push it on everyone though and i do my best to get it out there. I wish i could make it the same here i think about it all the time. The djs have mad skill. Its a different scene. House and hardhouse rule here. But our hardhouse is completely different here. The Dj here scratch alot and play songs for a much shorter time. The average tiesto track plays for 4 to 6 minutes. The Average Track here is like 3 minutes. Alot more creativity with mixing and the tables here. If Micro Played at sensation or in Ibiza or anywhere the crowd would love him. If Badboy Bill Played they would love him. Richard humpty vision isn't trance but he has done alot of productions that are tight. Dave Aude is a bad ass. But i still agree with buying trance is like buying a car. But i also agree with eminem that in america nobody listens to techno. which in america is every genre of electronic music. Including trance. But seriously you cannot knock the djs here that have it alot tougher. They work a virgin crowd everyday. The djs there are sticking it in a bunch of trance sluts who have been taking it for years. Its a alot more difficult.

well, we have line dancing, and you guys got trance, and then there are wierdos line dancing to trance.

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Originally posted by iodine I completely agree that euro productions are 15 times better. I am from america and i have heard every american dj mentioned. D fuse is a bad ass. He was with oakenfold at this place called the redzone and he tore oakie's ass to pieces. But still everyone listens to eminem and nelly. DJ Micro is really good at his mixing and getting the crowd going which i thiink are a dj 's main job. His Tracklisting from this set on the 4th of july had good tracks in it like Lange feat. Skye - Drifting Away And Marc Aurel the sun. I really like Tiesto Ferry and Armin. And honestly i Think MIcro does too. He puts out cd's that match especially Ferry. Just about 6 to 8 months later. I would have never knew about the good trance if it wasn''t for micro or christopher lawrence. They are both awesome. I know trance is the thiinng over there but it isn't here at all. I push it on everyone though and i do my best to get it out there. I wish i could make it the same here i think about it all the time. The djs have mad skill. Its a different scene. House and hardhouse rule here. But our hardhouse is completely different here. The Dj here scratch alot and play songs for a much shorter time. The average tiesto track plays for 4 to 6 minutes. The Average Track here is like 3 minutes. Alot more creativity with mixing and the tables here. If Micro Played at sensation or in Ibiza or anywhere the crowd would love him. If Badboy Bill Played they would love him. Richard humpty vision isn't trance but he has done alot of productions that are tight. Dave Aude is a bad ass. But i still agree with buying trance is like buying a car. But i also agree with eminem that in america nobody listens to techno. which in america is every genre of electronic music. Including trance. But seriously you cannot knock the djs here that have it alot tougher. They work a virgin crowd everyday. The djs there are sticking it in a bunch of trance sluts who have been taking it for years. Its a alot more difficult.

hey i was at redzone too when oakey was there...in columbus, oh right??? i dunno, i thought both of them was lame...just not my style of music. most of the stuff you mentioned is house/prog. which i can't stand...trance is for me, and to find a lot of quality trance you have to go out of the country..

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Lets not forget that we are all on the same side here.

Ya know, I never knew how much it mattered where music came from. That was one aspect that I hope most can appreciate and understand: music should be universal and international with no boundaries of any kind. We have enough problems with overzealous nationalists as it is, the last place music should reside is in their hands. It's sad such patriotic boundaries still exist like that.

Music should be for everyone, no matter where it originates. I personally love some of the music coming out of America. After all, a big portion of international electronica did originate from Detroit. Too bad American's didn't see what was coming. We could have kept a better hold of it and ran with it a little better, but it simply didn't catch on here. So it went elsewhere and caught on. Fine by me. Conversely, I can't get enough of the European music either. After all, this is where most of trance resides, as well as most of the incredible music festivals (except Miami's Winter Music Conference - most Europeans tend to forget we do host this sucker). As long as there are record stores, internet streaming and music downloads available, I could care less where it comes from. Music should never have a national flag attached to it. It should simply make you move and smile......

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Originally posted by DJ P�O This is ridiculous. What about JOSH GABRIEL????

ok we get the point.... NOW shut the fuck up

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Originally posted by bluejay whaaaaat? ok, i'm really NOT trying to start a war over u.s. vs any country but wtf... first you degrade fantom by calling him a "stereotypical arrogant american" knowing he is canadian and even go on top of that by saying "not cool for you to be assimilated as an american, uh" i could sterotype just like you by saying "well, he is ovbiously french because of his rudeness and lack of reserve" but i don't, because most intelligent people don't stereotype others...and secondly, if people start to flame war, it is because of people like you who make ridiculous comments that offends people. don't make generalizations about americans and then put down people to be "assimilated" with them on top of it and not expect some americans to get offended...just a suggestion

Mhh, okay, Bluejay, i didn't express myself correctly, sorry
The first part of my post ("first you degrade fantom by calling him a "stereotypical arrogant american" knowing he is canadian and even go on top of that by saying "not cool for you to be assimilated as an american, uh") was a a reaction from me because i was upset by what Fantom said. Which isn't smart, i admit.
But, to me, Fantom sounded like what people who don't like Americans generaly say, that is, being arrogant and everything. My post was sarcastic, I wanted to express the fact that what he wrote was stupid, that's why i wrote "you COULD (in this case) be assimilated as what people who don't like the Americans generally say about them being arrogant".
Hence, on a more sarcastic note, the "not cool for you to be assimilated as an american, uh" part.

Wether my angered reaction was stupid or not, I don't think you understood the way i feel, probably because i didn't express myself correctly, because i'm 100% AGAINST generalizations of any kind, if you look at my posts, you may notice that i'm always against people who keep bashing the Americans, so please don't think that I might have offended some, that really wasn't my point..on the contrary.

On a last note, although i didn't initiate a flame war, I admit I contributed to it somehow, by replying something harsh to somone who said something harsh...I guess in those cases, nobody should answer those people...

I have seen tons of American movies with a killer electronic soundtrack.

Blade for example.


You can`t just say that Americans can`t produce trance just because of a few bad tracks. How many retarded trance tracks originates from Europe? I whole bunch i would guess.



Also... It`s kinda funny. A great deal of the technology that is used for music-production, is, infact American. Computer Software, Hardware etc...

I find American DJs very boring...Sandra Collins, Christopher Lawrence, Kimball Collins...wanted to pull my hair out when I saw them.

George Acosta is a little too cheesy for my liking. But I really like this song by him called "Reeper."

I think I would have a better opinion of American trance if it wasn't so "rainbow candy etard raver" ridden like it is over here in the states. Kinda makes me wanna puke. I wanna see big ass elaborate shows like they have over in Europe. Too bad it will never catch on over here. I prefer seeing a DJ at a club rather than some barnyard venue with no A/C and a row of porta-potties in the back.

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Originally posted by dbb I have seen tons of American movies with a killer electronic soundtrack. Blade for example. Also... It`s kinda funny. A great deal of the technology that is used for music-production, is, infact American. Computer Software, Hardware etc...

Okay... is EVERY electronic track Trance??

And why does it matter if you do the TOOLS??

Jeez...

hhhhhhhmmmm......come on all American TAs lets bow down to Europe for having the ONLY good trance/tech Djs in the world...

Who realy gives a shit.....i mean there are good and bad DJs from EVERY country....i can name MANY shitty cheesey DJs from Germany, Holland, England, Switzerland, America, etc etc...

whats the difference...and besides TRANCE, and ALL music for that matter, is like beauty...it's in the eye of the beholder..well i guess that would be the ear actually...but u get my drift...not everyone will like the same stuff...

I personally find PVD really boring...but Starfox finds him to be brilliant...so its a matter of taste...like who you like and let others do the same...

wow i actually didnt start a flame war in a America thread...LOL....but things can change fast...

Well, C-naptik, sorry for upseting you or anybody else, but that's just my opinion (you don't like it, too bad).

And no, I am not Canadian either (but I am stuck here for a while)... I come from Europe and I've seen plenty of shit over there and over here, and that's what I base my opinions on... again, you don't like what I say, just too bad, so sad.

And yes, there is plenty of cheese coming from Europe too (I gotta give you that one guys!)

Well I've seen one American Trance DJ so far and that was Sandra Collins at GCSSS 2001, I thought she was brilliant, she played a good set, pity she was on early.

You got to admit it people, you haven't really got a too bad scene in the USA, never been clubbing there, but it seems to get some good DJs visit there. I think it will probably get slightly bigger in the future in some of the cities, but not really massive like it is here, for the fact a lot of people are brainwashed by MTV , but on the otherhand thats good because you don't want everyone listening to trance in the USA, it would get pretty boring if we all listened to the same stuff.

I think US trance will get bigger, however from reports from British DJs in Ministry mag they claim your crowds prefer more darker proggy sets, I dunno really if thats true and if it is that means the more proggy djs visit the states more.

your DJs and producers need to tour overseas a bit more aswell, Sandra Collins, and Christopher Lawerence play in the UK a bit they probably play 6 or 8 nights here each which isn't bad at all, but others like BT hasn't visited here that much about 4 from what I've recalled from flyers and so on in the space of about 3 or 4 years too. D Fuse has done a couple of events here and stuff, George Acosta I don't think I've seen him on a lineup for anywhere here yet, we don' really see much of your trance djs as their probably busy in the states here though your Prog and House Djs are here week in week out.

I don't know about other parts of the US, but in my local scene there was a huge "backlash" for trance and now everyone is all about Drum and Bass / Happy Hardcore like thats all good and all but I want to hear some trance Anthems at an Event !!!!!

Liek it seems that if you spin trance here that you dont get the respect, like just by looking at the flyers you can see that, 3/4 of ther dj's are DnB and Happy hardcore, and if there is a Dj doin trance he is always really early in the night

I don't know america need a lesson in Trance and I am trying but one person is definately not enough

pls America support Trance Music at your local events !!!!!!

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Originally posted by DJ P�O This is ridiculous. What about JOSH GABRIEL???? Are you people stupid, ignorant, deaf or something? Josh Gabriel is the ONLY American right now who's up to Euro standards. Hmmm, Tiesto's ISOS3 has not just one but THREE of his remixes. And not to mention Andain-Summer Calling.

Fine,

Where does Josh spin?

Do you have a single liveset from him?

I doubt it.

Just like James Holden, i'm talking about a DJ, not a producer, and it seems like Josh is only producing right now.

Hell, has he even made a mix disc yet?

I don't count chickens before they're hatched.

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Originally posted by icebreaker list some things omg.....come on u fucking guys from the united states(the canadians know what good music really means...canada roxx!!)some times ago u heard from djs like pvd,buuren,marco v,maybe some other few eu-djs more and sb told u....eyy!! listen to that..eyyy this could be a new non-mainstream related music source where we can drop in and being different from all da other ppl here around who keep up with hearing music like b.spears,....pff i really dont care about us-sound..or some rap,hiphop ******s(b������h)....then we are different from them and we are da coolest boys running around ..btw yur statement shows me that u really know only a few djs from europe and maybe even 2 or 3 from germany..wow what a huge amount!! �hm..... ..yeah we are da dutchies..rofl btw floorfiller get some little balls damn..so u dont have to think of being an dwarfed eunuch all da time sincerely yours icebreaker

umm... i did not understand a single thing you rabmled on about.. come to think of it, i doubt you really know what the fuck you're talking about either. if fact, i think you're one of the most ignorant, unintelligent dipshits to come around here in a while. your stay at tranceaddict is most unwelcome.

perhaps one of the problems that ppl are having with american trance is that its not like euro trance

but is that such a bad thing, it sounds like everyone is just knocking it just because it doesn't fit the mold of euro trance, US djs may just be trying something new and different, trying to be innovate new styles....

it seems it would be very easy to copy the euro style of trance, I mean alot of it sounds alike anyways...

i am so fucking drunk right now i think you should all shut the fuck up. I posted a reply an d this is all over my fucking email address. if you don't like american trance you suck. if you dn't like european trance then shut the fuck up. your opnions are gay and nobody cares. Tiesto is the best. he is from europe. Damn anyway keep typing in this dumb ass thread and don't hate on america. i live here and i am getting more pussy than anyone else in this forum. even the girls. You all need to just shut up. Get a life i spend hours listening to fucking records. I don't have time to care about who is better. honestly you guys in europe have a great scene and you are envied by every trance dj in america. it is difficult to spin here. you have to seriously work it hard to get in anywhere. But i highly doubt anyone in here who is talking shit actually cares about the scene that they are in. They are just cock suckers. i feel rude but this is terrible. anyway when is the gabriel and dresden remix of mindcircus going to be on vinyl???????????

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Originally posted by iodine [...]

thanks dude for giving me my days worth of laughs, that was pretty funny, you've made a fool of yourself and that's ok



the subject of the thread was : do you any good american trance?
and the idea wasn't to go and compare it with europe, actually you should even count out djs cause this is about producing .....


whatever , who really cares, it seems like all of you just want to make your voices heard over others and not bother taking in count others opinions and acting all stereotypical .......

I've read to much bs on this thread , and I'm not pleased by having started this

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do americans really know anything about electronic music?..i think they pretend listening to that in order to be cool and being loved by some europeans....tzztzz usa usa

whats so funny about that statement is that the complete opposite is true. Ask any american guy (or girl) who has visited europe and they will tell you that they become a center for attention from all the euros. (i can't even begin to describe how easy it is for an American guy to get laid )

European youth has some odd facisnation with American and being "american" (who the fuck would pay $300 for a FuBu sweater you could buy in America for $40? oh wait, they want to look "American" )

My guess is that we just market ourselves well (with a heaping dose of help from Hollywood).

But as for american electronic, we really dont' have many (Collins, BT, and Micro aside) but the scene is growing fast and the ammount of quality music from America will blow up...just watch.

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