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Originally posted by LKD the guy that delivers to my place from pizza hut drives a G35

damn... you pakis must tip each other a LOT.

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Originally posted by chinamon damn... you pakis must tip each other a LOT.

he's rice like you

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict Yeah I understand that, but again that is not my issue. That is an issue between the employee and the employer. They should pay the employee more money. If they don't, well again not my problem. The excuse is used that all services would cost more and in restaurants the food would cost, etc if the people were paid more. Well fine then raise the price of the food/service. I just don't like the feeling of guilt put on customers to feel like they have to subsidize the employees wages.

you clearly don't grasp the full meaning of working for minimum wage (servers) as well as other people in industries where tips are involved tipping a server at a restaurant is a globally known practice - depending on how much you like the service, you tip accordingly
if you don't like that - go to self-serve places

tipping bartenders are places like Guv is somewhat ok if they actually make me a drink as opposed to openning a bottle of Rev.. I'm not gonna make a fuss over leaving a few $$ for someone who is nice to me and provides speedy service too (waiting in line ups for a bottle of anything is uber annoying)

Cabs - I usually just round it to the next dollar

Hair stylists - my lady is self-employed so I always leave $5 behind since her prices are ridiculously low and I pay no tax on that

at the end of the day - if you don't want to, don't tip. Noone will yell at you for that.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew tipping a server at a restaurant is a globally known practice -

known but not practiced in most parts of the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)

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Originally posted by LKD known but not practiced in most parts of the world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)

yeah. when i was in china we left a tip at the table of a nice restaurant and they chased us as we walked out the door to give it back to us. i said "just put it in your pocket and dont tell your boss." but she kept trying to put it back in my pocket. so i started doing this at all restaurants just to see their reaction. sure ehough they all chased me as i left.

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Originally posted by LKD known but not practiced in most parts of the world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)

practiced everywhere I lived before

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict So who cares if they got paid $2 an hour. Not my problem. That is a problem with their employer who pays them shit wages. So I as a consumer have to subsidize their wages while the owner of the restaurant rakes in the money because he pays shit. What about other jobs that don't get tips? People do it not because they actually care to, but mostly because it's a "social standard". For example the pizza delivery guy gets a tip. Meanwhile when I worked at Shoppers drug mart delivering prescriptions back when I was in University, I got no tips. For an 8 hour day I was lucky if I had $2 in tips. Why? Because people are not used to getting that service, and don;t think twice about not tipping for it.

Its not the same. You dont understand the business that you are talking about. You would pay for it either way. "I" the employer does not pay "shit wages" as you say and we couldn't afford to do otherwise.
Want the same level of service but not have to tip ever? Then be prepared to have to pay a lot more for your food.

I know all of us restaurant people operate gold mines and we sit in offices counting our gold bars while we pay our servers shit wages as you say.

We live in a tipping culture and a service industry business model that operates within that culture. You can choose not to tip, but you will always be the exception. Good luck trying to change it.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew practiced everywhere I lived before

you sound like the way my mom talks.

if she sees 3 people doing the same thing then she automatically says EVERYONE does it. you've lived in a few countries and now tipping is practiced globally.

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Originally posted by Joe Drust Its not the same. You dont understand the business that you are talking about. You would pay for it either way. "I" the employer does not pay "shit wages" as you say and we couldn't afford to do otherwise. Want the same level of service but not have to tip ever? Then be prepared to have to pay a lot more for your food.

I would be more then prepared to pay more for my food then feel obligated to tip someone. The reality is that restaurants wouldn't increase their prices too much because they would loose too much business.

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Originally posted by chinamon you sound like the way my mom talks. if she sees 3 people doing the same thing then she automatically says EVERYONE does it. you've lived in a few countries and now tipping is practiced globally.

quote me when I said it's practiced? lol
and yeah bitch please - there is a difference between seeing people in Toronto do something and being at 2 different continents and observing things
I said it's known - meaning everybody knows about that, but I know for the fact that in Europe people hardly do it (like France for example, and UK)
when I lived in Europe, we'd only really tip at out fave places we went for family dinners every week or so
or if we tipped at a big party/birthday dinner

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I would be more then prepared to pay more for my food then feel obligated to tip someone. The reality is that restaurants wouldn't increase their prices too much because they would loose too much business.

Your right we couldn't raise them much.. people are the most price sensitive they have been in years.
But some other things would change.
Restaurants / clubs cannot afford to absorb a 15% increase and be able to operate as they do now. (In the current model)

FACT this year the cost that we will absorb for the minimum wage increase will be equal to the capital we need to build two new restaurants...(corporately) those restaurants would employ around 60-90 people each. (which sucks - random thought)

No disrespect is intended in my posts so please dont take any.

One question though what is it that you dont like about "feeling obligated" to tip.
In the end as it is now you have a choice, right?
Is it just a personal thing that you would rather not have to actively rate / reward / or thank based directly on your experience?

Was just about to post this. This scene changed my life :haha Buscemi is the man!

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Originally posted by love_child CUE SCENE

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Originally posted by Joe Drust One question though what is it that you dont like about "feeling obligated" to tip. In the end as it is now you have a choice, right? Is it just a personal thing that you would rather not have to actively rate / reward / or thank based directly on your experience?

You are right....it is a choice but society has made it the norm to tip...regardless of how good the service. The reason I feel obligated to tip is because the wait staff isn't paid fairly for the work they do. If they were paid fair wages then I wouldn't feel obligated to tip but I probably would still tip for a job well done.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but servers don't normally get paid minimum wage. They get paid a servers minimum, which is below minimum wage.

So the problem doesn't really lie with the owners/employers, rather with the law makers.

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Originally posted by kotsy Was just about to post this. This scene changed my life :haha Buscemi is the man!

i wanna watch this movie again now.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I would be more then prepared to pay more for my food then feel obligated to tip someone. The reality is that restaurants wouldn't increase their prices too much because they would loose too much business.

Reminds me of what Moevenpick used to do... add a 10% "service charge" to each bill, and hope the customers still tip. Staff complained to the newspapers years ago that Moevenpick was pocketing the charge and not distributing with the Staff. They admitted it saying it's to help offset costs and making prices seem lower. They got rid of it eventually when Richtree took over.

I wonder if the practice has come back now that Moevenpick moved back in the Richtree locations???

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew you clearly don't grasp the full meaning of working for minimum wage (servers) as well as other people in industries where tips are involved tipping a server at a restaurant is a globally known practice - depending on how much you like the service, you tip accordingly

I do grasp the concept fairly well. I am expected to subsidize wages. Again like I said I do tip, but do not agree with it.

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Originally posted by Joe Drust Its not the same. You dont understand the business that you are talking about. You would pay for it either way. "I" the employer does not pay "shit wages" as you say and we couldn't afford to do otherwise. Want the same level of service but not have to tip ever? Then be prepared to have to pay a lot more for your food. I know all of us restaurant people operate gold mines and we sit in offices counting our gold bars while we pay our servers shit wages as you say.

First I would be glad to pay more for food. I was just Australia, and food was much more expensive in restaurants, but guess what the waiters were paid a good wage and tipping is not a custom.

Oh and second, I wasn't trying to imply that restaurant owners operate goldmines while screwing the little guy. I understand the business requires alot hours, dedication and very hard work.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Reminds me of what Moevenpick used to do... add a 10% "service charge" to each bill, and hope the customers still tip. Staff complained to the newspapers years ago that Moevenpick was pocketing the charge and not distributing with the Staff. They admitted it saying it's to help offset costs and making prices seem lower. They got rid of it eventually when Richtree took over. I wonder if the practice has come back now that Moevenpick moved back in the Richtree locations???

...so what you're saying is...that you were suppose to tip at Richtree as it wasn't built into the price?

Wonder if they'll move back now that its Moevenpicks again.