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| Originally posted by cronodevir @DJ RANN & Storeteller Do you think everyone thinks like that? Also, the myth that downloaded music from a ripped source is bad quality is just that, a myth. Because you know where MOST pirated music comes from? Someone buys the record/cd/mp3 and then hosts it on a torrent site. Or p2p, or what ever flavor of file sharing they use. Ive met people in p2p networks with many gigabytes of music, and they paid for all of it. Then they dropped it into their share folder, and that was that. If you can't acknowledge how... basically "nice" pirates have it, then I don't think you will really be able to see the impact virtual media has on the growth in revenue for music in general. Also, youtube has probably every song ever made hosted on it, and its in a quality that people are content with. |
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| Originally posted by mfitterer1 Release medium will make pirating improbable if not impossible. |
Making pirating impossible is impossible 
. Just about every digital product has been pirated/cracked/whatever. Cracking Cubase 5 properly is improbable. It's tons of work with the syncrosoft usb key stuff going on and most cracking talents don't think it's worth the effort.
You only make pirating music improbable by offering it for free.
UAD seems to have a good business model on its software. Mac programs seem much much harder to come by, although that isn't simple music. As technology advances, more things need to be looked at. Your average nerd will always be able to find a way to hide things and steal software and music but there ARE ways to keep average people from doing it. Unfortunately the technology isn't there yet and if it was most people would object to it (100% internet connectivity required to listen to music and that music is checked for buying footprints)
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| Originally posted by DjStephenWiley (100% internet connectivity required to listen to music and that music is checked for buying footprints) |
+ the fact that it doesn't work in the context of music. Record the audio output and you've got the music yourself free of any digital rights protection whatsoever. It just doesn't work.
download the content, spoof the server... having to always connect to something is as failfact as not connecting at all
A way round it is what the film industry is doing now to torrents (and according to analysts it's beginning to work);
1, Get legally heavy with big name sites (this scares the occaisional downloaders as they think the IP police are coming).
2, put out hundreds of fakes for you latest release. Name them slightly differently and eventually people give up, not to mention it has an overall effect on the reliabilty of torrents.
Ok so as a small label or artist, number 1 isn't really an option unless you have a relative that is a lawyer, but number 2 could have validity and I reckon is a simple way to go about it (unless someone come up with a way to audition pirated music before you download it).
You're never going to stop someone who just simply refuses to pay, there's too many ways to get free content if you're determined enough, but the harder it is the smaller number of people are ble to access it it and the more people will go and pay the $2 for your track.
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN 2, put out hundreds of fakes for you latest release. Name them slightly differently and eventually people give up, not to mention it has an overall effect on the reliabilty of torrents. |
The biggest problem is promos. Kill promos and you kill most of the legit piracy. Most labels allow anyone to pay to be in a promo pool. Seriously promos do no good. If your music is not good enough to make the rounds and be pertinent for a good amount of time without sending it to 30 mid level djs and making it available to anyone who pays a price to get your labels tracks before they're out then it doesn't deserve to make money anyways.
The current label system is fucked and they don't care. They try to combat this all with pushing as many releases as possible trying to make up for the loss of money pirates present.
There will always be people who record a track from youtube or some other medium but that can be put to a halt as well by not posting full tracks on those mediums. There should be one spot to get a full unmixed track and that is via download portals.
As far as my plans for combating piracy via the medium of audio presented, you will all have to wait on that info; it's worth too much money to state publicly on a forum
Piracy helps sales. Piracy is another form of a commercial. Piracy is putting a small 0.000005 cent fish on the hook, so you can catch a big $20 trout.
Stop believing the piracy absolutely hurts sales lie. At worste...piracy helps sales far more than it hurts...and at best piracy enormously helps sales that would not be possible without piracy.
Piracy is a strong trojan marketing tool. Every major label leaks the albums they put out. Every single one of them is leaked with the purpose to increase marketing and sales. Otherwise, the artist and their music would hardly be known if they limited it to just people who buy the music. Music sells far more now than ever, both in gross and net profit, due to digital distribution. Its smart for the major labels to invest in telling people, especially artists that piracy is the reason sales are down...even though a speck in the middle of nowhere has the ability to buy music now.
http://www.bennjordan.com/blog/?page_id=51
This is a nice read about The Flashbulb aka Benn Jordan and his view on piracy. He benefited pretty nicely from it, I'd say.
As its already been said, you have to move with the times. Artists, labels and others in the industry can feel the pinch and are adapting in new ways, with great success. Even the older lables are doing so knowing they can't last if they dont change some of the ways they operate.
Its a new age now, there is money to be made, and people will still buy and listen to music. New tactics are needed, probably out of your comfort zone, maybe radical in terms of what you already do. What labels like Toolroom (like Eric J said) are doing is a good example of how to get sales up, and get your brand out there.
Who knows what the future holds but, EDM isnt going anywhere I believe its in the process of change right now, and I believe its a great time to establish yourself during this change while there is so much change going on.
It is very sad to hear of people not making a living as they did once, and years down the line it could happen anyone of us, but you have to predict this will happen (change) and try and move with it.
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| Originally posted by Fledz Private trackers kill that argument. |
Lol, @ private trackers being shut down.
You. Can. Not. Stop. Your. Shit. From. Being. Pirated. You can't, you just can't can't can't. When you make something capable of being placed in a virtual world [music, movies, art] where it is impossible to block duplication, you loose control over its distribution. Period. Data on the Internet is like a barrel of water, as soon as you poke one hole and a drop gets out, bam, the whole barrel becomes useless, and any and all protection for it is completely useless because that one drop got out and it got duplicated. The idea that piracy can be stopped or even deterred is the same garbage sold to people who think there is a super pill that makes you loose weight, or that you can take a capsule and grow a 30 inch penis.
You can still make money off EDM, the concept of a rave still exists, just because it doesn't happen as often doesn't mean anything. And if you want to make money with EDM, then you need to tour, host raves and parties and the like, but if you expect to sit in your studio, make 10 tracks, put them on an album, and hand them off to a label and expect sales, then you have already lost the game. The Game, you just lost it.
And I think some people seriously underestimate humanity. Piracy is getting easier. I remember back in the days where when you wanted to crack a program, you had to edit files. Now most programs don't even need a crack, you download it and install. The crack is built in. 13 year olds know what proxies are. And they are behind 7 of them. Worried about your IP being logged? Well, most people have some form of wireless lan, fire that bitch up and connect to one of the guaranteed 9846756 other wlan's in your area.
Piracy is only an issue to people who don't want to work to make money in EDM.
Some of you have said that most people don't want to pirate, scared of the IP potrol or w/e, dude, th 00 generation grew up with priacy, the generation coming up will be 5 times worse. When you walk down the street and see a 10 year old kid, know that when he gets 6-8 more years on him, he will not pay for any digital media.
/endrant
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| Originally posted by Kysora http://www.bennjordan.com/blog/?page_id=51 This is a nice read about The Flashbulb aka Benn Jordan and his view on piracy. He benefited pretty nicely from it, I'd say. |
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Tom Irwin said: 2009.09.01 05:07 Hi Benn, I downloaded Soundtrack To A Vacant Life having never heard previously of you or your work. Without wishing to sound too gushing, it had a profound effect on me; I thought it was a beautful emotional document. Intensely sad and organic-sounding, it really was like nothing I�ve ever heard before � it�s clear to me that you put everything into your music. Before I had even read the html file that came with the download, i had decided that I was going to buy the album � if I download something and like it enough, that is what I do. When I discovered the story behind your releasing the album on torrent sites yourself this only increased my wish to show my support. Having read your article, I can only say that from my point of view there�s a very good chance I would never have heard your music, bought the CD and then pre-ordered your forthcoming release had it not been for the album being made available as it was. Best of luck for the future � I hope you can someday realise your dream of making music for yourself without selling your soul to ad companies and the like. Keep up the good work mate. Cheers, Tom. |
And another point...what you're willing to download is not exactly what you were willing to buy...just simply what you were willing to try. So where is the lost sale here? Its eventually a sale or two or many...If anything you played the song for someone, and they said thats nice music. And when you're older and the fear of getting caught for pirating starts to sink in, you go out and buy music. The funny yet sick thing is these deceivers prosecute, fine, and jail people for a system they created and benefit from. Because, once in a while they need to scapegoat someone, in order to push the "piracy hurts teh salesz" lie. 
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| Originally posted by Kismet7 Piracy helps sales. Piracy is another form of a commercial. Piracy is putting a small 0.000005 cent fish on the hook, so you can catch a big $20 trout. Stop believing the piracy absolutely hurts sales lie. At worste...piracy helps sales far more than it hurts...and at best piracy enormously helps sales that would not be possible without piracy. Piracy is a strong trojan marketing tool. Every major label leaks the albums they put out. Every single one of them is leaked with the purpose to increase marketing and sales. Otherwise, the artist and their music would hardly be known if they limited it to just people who buy the music. Music sells far more now than ever, both in gross and net profit, due to digital distribution. Its smart for the major labels to invest in telling people, especially artists that piracy is the reason sales are down...even though a speck in the middle of nowhere has the ability to buy music now. |
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| Originally posted by cronodevir Lol, @ private trackers being shut down. You. Can. Not. Stop. Your. Shit. From. Being. Pirated. You can't, you just can't can't can't. When you make something capable of being placed in a virtual world [music, movies, art] where it is impossible to block duplication, you loose control over its distribution. Period. Data on the Internet is like a barrel of water, as soon as you poke one hole and a drop gets out, bam, the whole barrel becomes useless, and any and all protection for it is completely useless because that one drop got out and it got duplicated. The idea that piracy can be stopped or even deterred is the same garbage sold to people who think there is a super pill that makes you loose weight, or that you can take a capsule and grow a 30 inch penis. You can still make money off EDM, the concept of a rave still exists, just because it doesn't happen as often doesn't mean anything. And if you want to make money with EDM, then you need to tour, host raves and parties and the like, but if you expect to sit in your studio, make 10 tracks, put them on an album, and hand them off to a label and expect sales, then you have already lost the game. The Game, you just lost it. And I think some people seriously underestimate humanity. Piracy is getting easier. I remember back in the days where when you wanted to crack a program, you had to edit files. Now most programs don't even need a crack, you download it and install. The crack is built in. 13 year olds know what proxies are. And they are behind 7 of them. Worried about your IP being logged? Well, most people have some form of wireless lan, fire that bitch up and connect to one of the guaranteed 9846756 other wlan's in your area. Piracy is only an issue to people who don't want to work to make money in EDM. Some of you have said that most people don't want to pirate, scared of the IP potrol or w/e, dude, th 00 generation grew up with priacy, the generation coming up will be 5 times worse. When you walk down the street and see a 10 year old kid, know that when he gets 6-8 more years on him, he will not pay for any digital media. /endrant |
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| Originally posted by mfitterer1 Sorry but it can and will be done. |
Seems to me it will always be impossible to restrict music because of a very simple issue: anyone who owns the original file can get an audio interface and an audio cable, take the cable from an audio out to an audio in and record the sound to WAV / AIFF format, which will make it totally unrestricted.
I don't even use P2P stuff, I am just interested in the technical problem. 
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| Originally posted by mfitterer1 Your stupidity is enormous. How can you sit there and say piracy doensn't hurt sales????? You're speaking from a consumer point of view that it doesn't hurt them barely or at all. You're forgetting that 99% of the piracy is done by producers and djs. It's the industry pirating that needs to stop; not the small odd consumer that decides they want to pirate a song/album to see if they like it. But the fact you say piracy hasn't hurt sales; you deserve to get your eyes/ears knifed because you don't use them anyways. |
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| Originally posted by mfitterer1 Sorry but it can and will be done. Unfortunately for your kind it's days are becoming numbered. |
Lol, he thinks he has a way to stop piracy.
You will never be able to get around the fact that a person can duplicate a string of bits. And this ability will never go away as long as computers exist, the only way to stop piracy is to destroy the Internet. No matter what system you invent, it can be tricked.
The ONLY way you might be able to stop piracy, is if all of the digital storage mediums [any and all technology that stores information] were locked in some building somewhere on earth, and read/write access was restricted. And point blank, that will never happen. All it takes is one company in some government who doesn't agree to make a new hard drive and a microphone, buy your music, then record it. And your system has been defeated.
Even if you gained control over the internet itself, you cannot stop wifi. Because you don't need an ISP to use wifi networks or to make wifi networks.
I am really interested in what you think you can do to stop piracy.
One more thing to note: no one cares about piracy. Governments don't enforce any rules against it. I could walk into my local police station and say I just downloaded the entire history of MGM cinema. And the police chief there will be like "hey, do you have so and so movie?" And... and, even if I were charged, I wouldn't get jail time. I would be fined, but oh wait, I don't pay taxes any ways.
I see what you did thurrr.
Have you been comprehending anything in this thread?
Piracy is NOT the problem. Piracy = Huge Benefit for the Music Industry
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