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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN There has to be some middle ground, unless its your position that �the government� always lies about everything (clearly a ridiculous viewpoint)

It's very easy to lie about a lot of things, and then say some other things that sound like the truth, so people think you're only lying about a few things. Nearly everyone does it.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN You know as well as I do that the situation is far more complex and not nearly as black and white as this hippy buffoon is attempting to illustrate.

Simplify...maaaan!

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Originally posted by PivotTechno It's very easy to lie about a lot of things, and then say some other things that sound like the truth, so people think you're only lying about a few things. Nearly everyone does it.

What a member of the house supposedly lies about has no bearing on the supposed lies of another member, nor does a supposed lie by an official from a government department have any bearing on the supposed lie from another official in some other department. Each and every claim has to be evaluated on its own merits, and it is completely illogical to use past indiscretions with the truth by an unrelated party as evidence against somebody else..

It's also completely illogical to treat people like assets, but somehow that made it into the realm of acceptable behaviour.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN What a member of the house supposedly lies about has no bearing on the supposed lies of another member, nor does a supposed lie by an official from a government department have any bearing on the supposed lie from another official in some other department. Each and every claim has to be evaluated on its own merits, and it is completely illogical to use past indiscretions with the truth by an unrelated party as evidence against somebody else..

Just to add to what's already well put, but you've essentially addressed a poisonous well logical fallacy.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Just to add to what's already well put, but you've essentially addressed a poisonous well logical fallacy.

Don�t you use your fancy logic on me!!

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Originally posted by PivotTechno It's also completely illogical to treat people like assets, but somehow that made it into the realm of acceptable behaviour.

superb response.

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Originally posted by Lews What the fuck does the Nazi's invading Poland have to do with ANYTHING?

I still want an answer. You throw out random articles from the past all the time for no fucking reason at all.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Don�t you use your fancy logic on me!!

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Meritocracy is where it's at, bro.

Oh, if only that were possible

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Originally posted by Kismet7 America should execute this guy.

You first.




Funny, he looks like about a 1/2 dozen people in my neighbourhood. Now I guess I'm going to have to be suspiscious of even more people, dammit.

The Nazis invading Poland doesn't have anything to do with this, it's the media's distortion of the truth. So in the NYT, the purging of 3 million Jews from Poland is quoted as being beneficial and it's glibly mentioned that the press can't figure out how the Germans are going to complete this undertaking without exterminating the lot of them. And American corporations had no issue with profiting from this "purge", even when they were supposedly on the opposing side in the war.

Pretty far-fetched to think that America might have been considerably more complicit in the orchestration of WWII than believed, huh?

Now we have our Times Square bombaman being paraded around by the press and because we've been told by the ever-trusty worthy gov't and corporate media that this is the guy, we've caught him, end of story, I have to buy it verbatim?

On another board, I posited that this sitch may not be exactly as it seems, and someone expressed what I was trying to convey in words that might make a little more sense to that gigantoid, complex noggin of yours.

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agree that doesnt appear to be an inside job. though we must consider the various levels of complicity up the chain of command. who knew about this or other such attack and at what level of authority were they to stop such actions or at least inform the right intelligence agencies of it? the reason these events stand out is because collective rage which terms like "muslim rage" imply are incomplete, inaccurate and stereotypical. they exist to promote the image of muslims as Pavlovian, and full of "rage" and "hatred" towards perceived colonial oppressors and isreal. im not suggesting you view the vastly complex world of muslim states in such a way, i just see this as an all too common precept that somehow "muslims" follow this mathematical equation from oppression to rage to jihad. we have many more examples of jihadi violence committed by Muslims against their own governments (algeria is a recent example of this). historically, violence committed in western nations by "radicalized" muslims living in nations under oppression/occupation by colonial forces has been a tiny fraction compared to what has occured during the many revolutions, civil wars and uprisings in the mid-east, east africa and south asia since WW2. again, the current nations most under the thumb of what we could call post-colonial oppression/occupation seem to be the most unlikely source of radicalized call to arms outside their state. we have ample examples of middle class educated muslims who appeared to be the benefactors materially from corrupt regimes turn to violence on any material scale. but as of late it has emerged from south-asia by people who thus far have no actual connection to the war in afghanistan, dont report family or friends killed or gravely affected by the war (the toronto 18 had no accounts of being directly affected by the wars and hadnt gone to actually fight). what i suspect is the source of this is youthful rage that always looks for an outlet, deserving or not and is exploited by truly extreme groups for these types of operations as those that occur within their own borders appear to be of a different nature all together. my larger point is that so few people who express this typical "rage" ever actually turn to violence, and even fewer of them direct it towards foreign targets outside their home state, that i find it difficult to draw any real parallel between what is happening in pakistan and the current truck bomber suspect. of course we see a general connection and of course we can appreciate why they would be angry. its justifiable to be filled with resentment and rage. but if so few ever actually make the jump to violence of this sort, perhaps the relationship isnt related in any material way. its like saying peanuts are deadly because 1 in 10,000,000 people die if they eat a peanut. are peanuts truly the problem, or is it a type of genetic disposition that creates the environment where an allergy can result in death?

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Now we have our Times Square bombaman being paraded around by the press and because we've been told by the ever-trusty worthy gov't and corporate media that this is the guy, we've caught him, end of story, I have to buy it verbatim?

no, that's what a court of law is for, you stupid stupid hippy fuck.

Dude, you should totally check my mix out. Do you like Techno?

did i join the forums at technoaddict?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, that's what a court of law is for, you stupid stupid hippy fuck.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Dude, you should totally check my mix out. Do you like Techno?

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Originally posted by PivotTechno The Nazis invading Poland doesn't have anything to do with this, it's the media's distortion of the truth. So in the NYT, the purging of 3 million Jews from Poland is quoted as being beneficial and it's glibly mentioned that the press can't figure out how the Germans are going to complete this undertaking without exterminating the lot of them. And American corporations had no issue with profiting from this "purge", even when they were supposedly on the opposing side in the war.

Yeah, QUOTED as being beneficial. THEY QUOTED A FUCKING NAZI WHO SAID IT WAS A GOOD IDEA YOU IGNORANT STUPID FUCK. They didn't say HEY THIS IS BENEFICIAL GUYS. They just said THE NAZIS THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. Holy fuck.

Fucking CT morons.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Now we have our Times Square bombaman being paraded around by the press and because we've been told by the ever-trusty worthy gov't and corporate media that this is the guy, we've caught him, end of story, I have to buy it verbatim?

You are so fucking stupid. I fucking hate people like you. Always trying to see something hidden, wanting to think that you are special and not one of the 'dumb sheep spoon fed lies by the media and the government.' Go fucking kill yourself you stupid fuck. Fucking ignorant pieces of shit like you are the reason this world fucking sucks. No one is telling you what to believe, people are just telling you facts about what happened. Who fucking knows if this is the guy who did it. It seems likely, and it will seem more likely after he goes to jail for life after his court case.

Go fucking drink some fluoride you stupid fuck. Or tell me why two fucking planes full of fuel smashing into the top of two buildings clearly couldn't have caused them to collapse. Or better yet pull up some more random ass newspaper articles that have NOTHING to do with the discussion.

Here, let me try it! Read about the Salad Oil Scandal. Oh my god guys look at this shit. Is it such a surprise that the government is trying to pull one over on us? They were so stupid to not figure out the salad oil scandal! They think that we won't see the truth. Stupid government!!

Go fuck yourself.

/rant.

God I hate stupid people.

The level of idiocy just oozing from some people is fucking astounding.

ROFL! Pleasure to have you aboard the angry train Lews!

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Originally posted by Lews You are so fucking stupid. I fucking hate people like you. Always trying to see something hidden, wanting to think that you are special and not one of the 'dumb sheep spoon fed lies by the media and the government.' Go fucking kill yourself you stupid fuck. Fucking ignorant pieces of shit like you are the reason this world fucking sucks. No one is telling you what to believe, people are just telling you facts about what happened. Who fucking knows if this is the guy who did it. It seems likely, and it will seem more likely after he goes to jail for life after his court case. Go fucking drink some fluoride you stupid fuck. Or tell me why two fucking planes full of fuel smashing into the top of two buildings clearly couldn't have caused them to collapse. Or better yet pull up some more random ass newspaper articles that have NOTHING to do with the discussion. Here, let me try it! Read about the Salad Oil Scandal. Oh my god guys look at this shit. Is it such a surprise that the government is trying to pull one over on us? They were so stupid to not figure out the salad oil scandal! They think that we won't see the truth. Stupid government!! Go fuck yourself. /rant. God I hate stupid people.

Yeessssssssssssssssssssssssssss I can feel the rage!
If I could, this would be my new sig

Lews, I'm going to go buy you a steak.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN did i join the forums at technoaddict?

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Originally posted by Lews Yeah, QUOTED as being benefiauisfgjfsgadgdfuyksgdfgsdfkjsh!!!!!! JOOOOOOOOSEPH SMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

I just really hate stupid people

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Originally posted by Lews Fucking ignorant pieces of shit like you are the reason this world fucking sucks.

I wouldn't be so simplistic

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Originally posted by Lews Yeah, QUOTED as being beneficial. THEY QUOTED A FUCKING NAZI WHO SAID IT WAS A GOOD IDEA YOU IGNORANT STUPID FUCK. They didn't say HEY THIS IS BENEFICIAL GUYS. They just said THE NAZIS THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. Holy fuck. Fucking CT morons. You are so fucking stupid. I fucking hate people like you. Always trying to see something hidden, wanting to think that you are special and not one of the 'dumb sheep spoon fed lies by the media and the government.' Go fucking kill yourself you stupid fuck. Fucking ignorant pieces of shit like you are the reason this world fucking sucks. No one is telling you what to believe, people are just telling you facts about what happened. Who fucking knows if this is the guy who did it. It seems likely, and it will seem more likely after he goes to jail for life after his court case. Go fucking drink some fluoride you stupid fuck. Or tell me why two fucking planes full of fuel smashing into the top of two buildings clearly couldn't have caused them to collapse. Or better yet pull up some more random ass newspaper articles that have NOTHING to do with the discussion. Here, let me try it! Read about the Salad Oil Scandal. Oh my god guys look at this shit. Is it such a surprise that the government is trying to pull one over on us? They were so stupid to not figure out the salad oil scandal! They think that we won't see the truth. Stupid government!! Go fuck yourself. /rant. God I hate stupid people.

Go Lews!

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Originally posted by PivotTechno You first. Funny, he looks like about a 1/2 dozen people in my neighbourhood. Now I guess I'm going to have to be suspiscious of even more people, dammit.

Exactly why they chose him for a failed terrorist attempt. In that picture he could be almost anyone from many races. If you look at the story, he is "average joe," and he also had some financial troubles. So again, he could be just about anyone, perfect for setting the precedent that anyone can be a terrorist. Now they can start framing people easily. When the main wars start to die down in Afghanistan and Iraq (after they're done imperalialising the crap out of them), they're going to ramp up the domestic terrorism to keep this 'war on terror' business alive for a while.

What else I found interesting was that, a successful terrorist attack would have had people questioning the multi trillion dollar we are wasting on the "war on terror." Anoter thing is they needed to mitigate the last 2 major terrorist acts being done by Americans, by having a Paki guy attempt one...but fail. Ironically, after 9 years since 9/11. This attempt did little to no damage to the war business, rather beneficial to keep the sheep believing the scam that was 9/11, and the money and resource hoarding scam that is 'war on terror.' If he actually succeded, the world would have been questioning the wars all over again. Which is the main reason why we have not had any major attacks on American soil since 9/11, except for this failed attempt after the Joe Stack guy and the Pentagon shooting by Americans.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Exactly why they chose him for a failed terrorist attempt. In that picture he could be almost anyone from any race. Also, a successful terrorist attack would have had people questioning the multi trillion dollar we are wasting on the "war on terror." Also they needed to mitigate the last 2 major terrorist acts being done by Americans, by having a Paki guy attempt one...and fail. This after 9 years since 9/11. This attempt did little to no damage to the war, rather beneficial to keep the sheep believing the scam that was 9/11, and the money and resource hoarding scam that is 'war on terror.' If he actually succeded, the world would have been questioning the wars all over again. The main reason why we have not had any major attacks on American soil.

i love the logic, rofl. had the terrorist succeeded, gibbering idiot here would have claimed that it was to galvanise support for the war againt the taliban in afghanistan or pakistan.

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

10. It's always a conspiracy.

And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

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