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Originally posted by Lews So you'd believe in Russell's teapot?

I really don't think the comparison is valid. First off, I'm not talking about God, or suggesting that the "soul" has anything to do with God. Of course that might sound contradictory too my "Hell" comment earlier, but that was another thing all together and was trying to illustrate a point.

What I am saying, however, is that there is this "drive" with in us all, and it being inside of us is not dependent upon us being conscious about it or not (sort of like breathing, I suppose). My argument, I guess, is that how could one simply disprove the existence of a soul/spirit/or whatever you'd like to call it when we possess something of that sort. I mean, you can call it emotions and that that sensation in us is merely a by-product of those emotions, and I guess that'd be valid.

Cold storage.

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Originally posted by R.j. What I want to know is this: how do the people in here who boldly assert that no soul/spirit exists prove they're right?

How do you prove Anna Arkadyevna Karenina does not exist?

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Originally posted by chlola Because a close friend buried her young son today. And I would like to think there is a 'reason' this took place.

The reason it happened is because most humans focus too much on useless psychological mood-enhancers such as justifying negative experiences with god and spirituality instead of actually researching better techniques to fix humans after accidents and finding cures for diseases.

You're looking for a false justification to put you and your friend in a better mood but the horrible truth is life fucking sucks.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson the horrible truth is life fucking sucks.

no, the truth is that it only fucking sucks if you convince yourself that it's horrible.

True to a large extent.

Most people judge whether their life sucks by comparing themselves to others, or to their romanticized past selves or idealized future selves. It kind of takes an effort to stop believing that real, enjoyable life is whatever is just over the next hill, the next struggle, the next graduation, the next relationship, the next pay raise, and instead simply enjoy the present. I struggle with it myself, anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantu...and_immortality

Interesting theory - based upon the famous Schrodingers cat experiments.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles True to a large extent. Most people judge whether their life sucks by comparing themselves to others, or to their romanticized past selves or idealized future selves. It kind of takes an effort to stop believing that real, enjoyable life is whatever is just over the next hill, the next struggle, the next graduation, the next relationship, the next pay raise, and instead simply enjoy the present. I struggle with it myself, anyway.

yes. i would say it is 'the' real struggle in life, the source of both pleasure and pain, by way of gratification and disappointment.

Love how the experts here pretend they know what happens when someone dies. LOL.. everybody's looking for the next Stephen Hawking but he's right here on TA coming down from all the drugs he took on the weekend

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Originally posted by Aesthetic Love how the experts here pretend they know what happens when someone dies.

well, we know that when you die Victoria�s homosexual community will go into mourning!

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Originally posted by Aesthetic Love how the experts here pretend they know what happens when someone dies. LOL.. everybody's looking for the next Stephen Hawking but he's right here on TA coming down from all the drugs he took on the weekend

Dave. I'm going to annihilate your FUCKEN SOLE.

Like, the one on my foot?

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Originally posted by nefardec no, the truth is that it only fucking sucks if you convince yourself that it's horrible.

True that I guess it's a two-way road. But IMO convincing yourself it's great when it's not great is only an escape for your mind, but not necessarily an escape for the problem itself. Emotion focused coping mechanisms only go so far. Moreover venting is a good way to expel stress.

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Originally posted by Aesthetic Like, the one on my foot?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson True that I guess it's a two-way road. But IMO convincing yourself it's great when it's not great is only an escape for your mind, but not necessarily an escape for the problem itself. Emotion focused coping mechanisms only go so far. Moreover venting is a good way to expel stress.

Well that's the problem - things are NEVER ACTUALLY bad, they are only bad as seen through temporary human judgment. What is one's personal injury to the universe? What is the loss of a job? Can you really say that the destruction of the earth would even be 'bad' in the context of a universe with potentially billions of inhabitable planets? Is life itself even a virtue, or a simple property of matter that causes it to be able to look back at itself?

Things only ever happen - never for better, and never for worse.

I never said to convince yourself that things are great, but just to realize they aren't horrible. It's classic 'detachment'.

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Originally posted by nefardec Well that's the problem - things are NEVER ACTUALLY bad, they are only bad as seen through temporary human judgment. What is one's personal injury to the universe? What is the loss of a job? Can you really say that the destruction of the earth would even be 'bad' in the context of a universe with potentially billions of inhabitable planets? Is life itself even a virtue, or a simple property of matter that causes it to be able to look back at itself? Things only ever happen - never for better, and never for worse. I never said to convince yourself that things are great, but just to realize they aren't horrible. It's classic 'detachment'.

If you decide that death to humans you love isn't horrible and detach yourself, then you're on your way to becoming a psychopath, ...or maybe just a mortician.

Yes good vs bad is a human construction. But assigning "good" to human survival encourages humans to keep each other alive in order to keep the species alive in general. In nature everything is created and eventually destroyed. Our goal is to stay in existence as long as we can.

It goes straight to hell man. Straight to hell. Shackles and chains in the train with Kurt Cobain on the PA.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson If you decide that death to humans you love isn't horrible and detach yourself, then you're on your way to becoming a psychopath.

i don't follow your logic there.

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