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I don't actually think that's alarming. The CEO cannot micro manage that level of drilling. I would suggest that the people most capable of managing risk like this are below him (obviously they did a bad job here, but the CEO himself is not expected to be on the ground with every single well in the whole world).

What needs to improve at BP is information flow, risk management and accountability - not "the ceo needs to know everything about every well everywhere."

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Originally posted by Skipper I don't actually think that's alarming. The CEO cannot micro manage that level of drilling. I would suggest that the people most capable of managing risk like this are below him (obviously they did a bad job here, but the CEO himself is not expected to be on the ground with every single well in the whole world). What needs to improve at BP is information flow, risk management and accountability - not "the ceo needs to know everything about every well everywhere."

That CEO had numerous gaffe's and lapses of judgement. Good thing he is now shoved aside.

http://www.thespec.com/News/article/791953

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Embattled BP CEO is moved aside June 18, 2010 LONDON � The chairman of BP says embattled chief executive Tony Hayward is being relieved of day-to-day responsibility for managing the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, a day after he angered U.S. lawmakers with his refusal to answer many of their questions. Company chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg said Hayward �is now handing over the operations, the daily operations to (BP Managing Director) Bob Dudley,� according to the transcript of an interview with Sky News television released Friday. The company had already announced June 4 that Dudley would lead the long-term response to the oil spill once the leak had been stopped. Svanberg�s statement appeared to accelerate that timeline, as millions of gallons of crude continue to gush into the Gulf. � ... Now (Hayward) has been out there for eight weeks and he is now handing over the operations, the daily operations to Bob Dudley and he will be more home and be there and be here, but I think it has been a difficult period and as long as we don�t close the well and take care of this, there will be criticisms about many things,� Svanberg told Sky News. �Right now that is our focus to make that happen.� On Thursday, Hayward told lawmakers on a U.S. House investigations panel that he was out of the loop on decisions at the well. Both Democrats and Republicans were infuriated when he [Hayward] asserted, �I�m not stonewalling.� It also follows a string of gaffes from the BP chief that made him appear tone-deaf. He was quoted by the Times of London suggesting that Americans were particularly likely to file bogus claims, and later shocked residents in slick-hit Louisiana by saying that �no one wants this over more than I do. I would like my life back.� A BP spokesman in Houston, Tristan Vanhegan, said he had not heard Svanberg�s comments, but the �board still has confidence in Tony.� Svanberg said �it is clear that Tony has made remarks that have upset people,� but he also defended the chief executive. �Here is also a man who has (been through) a 100 hours of TV time and maybe 500 interviews,� he told the broadcaster. He added that Hayward�s grilling in Washington was �a very, very difficult hearing to go through.�

The CEO IS responsible for knowing everything that is going on at every well.

What that means is having the skills to employ an effective team below him/her at every level. If shit happens then it's his/her fault for hiring shit employees. The buck stops with the CEO. Cultivating a culture of complacency that would lead to such an event as this speaks volumes about the culture of professionalism developed from the top down.

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Originally posted by Skipper I actually wonder how much automobile use accounts for ones overall petroleum usage - as Malek said, oil is needed everywhere - particularly in plastics, which are everywhere.

I remember a few years back seeing a video showing how much oil is used in our daily lives to make stuff or is used to transport us.

Only way for people not to use anything that was made with petrol is going back to living in the forest and foraging.

One thing we could do is use biodiesel for transport.

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Originally posted by -g- The CEO IS responsible for knowing everything that is going on at every well. What that means is having the skills to employ an effective team below him/her at every level. If shit happens then it's his/her fault for hiring shit employees. The buck stops with the CEO. Cultivating a culture of complacency that would lead to such an event as this speaks volumes about the culture of professionalism developed from the top down.

lol at that too...

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Originally posted by malek lol at that too...

tell that to the former ceo of bp

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Originally posted by -g- tell that to the former ceo of bp

Oh, he still retains many CEO roles with British Petroleum, btw - he wasnt fired. He is just no longer in charge of the spill response team. And now he decided to go and have fun. Irony, rubbing the salt into the wounds of many people - his yact is out in clean British waters, while Louisiana waters are covered with oil.

Its interesting, that the more we read about this issue, the more we see that BP is a really really messed up company ... They don't seem to be doing anything right.

EDIT: Well, apparently the new man from BP, Mr. Dudley, to be in charge of handling the spill - the command has not yet been passed to him ... and no word as to when his duties will comence. So Hayward is enjoying himself, and noone is in charge? Read the both articles and you'll see that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us...da/10355285.stm

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Mr Svanberg also confirmed that BP chief executive Tony Hayward would be handing over the day-to-day response to BP managing director Bob Dudley.

Also, http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/..._gulf_oil_spill

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Williams said Svanberg was misunderstood and that only a transition to Dudley, an American with 30 years in the oil business, had begun. "Hayward is very much in charge until we've stopped the leak," she told the AP on Saturday. Wine said "there's not a hard and fast date" on when Dudley will be completely in charge.

My favourite parts:

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As oil spews in Gulf, BP chief at UK yacht race "He's spending a few hours with his family at a weekend. I'm sure that everyone would understand that," Wine said Saturday. "He will be back to deal with the response. It doesn't detract from that at all." Wine described the race as "one of the biggest sailing events in the world and he's well known to have a keen interest in it." He said Hayward will be returning to the United States, though it's unclear when. Hayward already angered many in the U.S. when he was quoted in the Times of London as suggesting that Americans were particularly likely to file bogus claims. He later shocked residents in Louisiana by telling them that no one wanted to resolve the crisis as badly as he did because "I'd like my life back." Just minutes after reports about Hayward emerged Saturday, the issue became a hot topic on social networking sites, with people on Twitter passing along the news and reacting to it every few seconds. Some comments called the move "mindboggling" while others noted he had gotten his life back � while Gulf residents had not. It was not clear whether Hayward actually took part in Saturday's race or attended as a spectator. Williams said Hayward was there with his son. A British news agency took a picture of what it thought was Hayward on the yacht that he owns with other investors, but BP would not confirm that it was Hayward. Peta Stuart-Hunt, a press officer for the event, said Hayward "wasn't listed on any of the crew list." "If he is on the boat, he's in contravention of the rules," she said.

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As oil spews in Gulf, BP chief at UK yacht race LONDON - In what one environmentalist described as "yet another public relations disaster" for embattled energy giant BP, CEO Tony Hayward took time off Saturday to attend a glitzy yacht race around England's Isle of Wight. As social networking sites like Twitter and Facebook lit up with outrage, BP spokespeople rushed to defend Hayward, who has drawn withering criticism as the public face of BP's halting efforts to stop the worst oil spill in U.S. history. Spokeswoman Sheila Williams said Hayward took a break from overseeing BP efforts to stem the undersea gusher in Gulf of Mexico so he could watch his boat "Bob" participate in the J.P. Morgan Asset Management Round the Island Race. The 52-foot yacht is made by the Annapolis, Maryland-based boatbuilder Farr Yacht Design. The annual one-day race is one of the world's largest, attracting more than 1,700 boats and 16,000 sailors as world-renown yachtsmen compete with wealthy amateurs in the 50-nautical mile course around the island. Robert Wine, a BP spokesman at the company's Houston headquarters, said it was the first break that Hayward has had since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded April 20, killing 11 workers and setting off the undersea oil gusher. "He's spending a few hours with his family at a weekend. I'm sure that everyone would understand that," Wine said Saturday. "He will be back to deal with the response. It doesn't detract from that at all." Wine described the race as "one of the biggest sailing events in the world and he's well known to have a keen interest in it." He said Hayward will be returning to the United States, though it's unclear when. Still, hobnobbing with millionaires and their yachts is likely to be a hard sell in the Gulf, which is struggling to deal with up to 120 million gallons of oil that have escaped from the blown-out well. Oil has been washing up along the Gulf Coast from Louisiana to Florida, killing birds and fish, coating delicate marshes and wetlands and covering pristine beaches with tar balls. Hayward already angered many in the U.S. when he was quoted in the Times of London as suggesting that Americans were particularly likely to file bogus claims. He later shocked residents in Louisiana by telling them that no one wanted to resolve the crisis as badly as he did because "I'd like my life back." A pair of relief wells that won't be done until August is the best bet to stop the massive spill. By late June, the oil giant hopes it can keep nearly 90 per cent of the flow from the broken pipe from hitting the ocean. Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen says a newly expanded containment system is capturing or incinerating more than 1 million gallons (3.8 million litres) of oil daily, the first time it has approached its peak capacity. Just minutes after reports about Hayward emerged Saturday, the issue became a hot topic on social networking sites, with people on Twitter passing along the news and reacting to it every few seconds. Some comments called the move "mindboggling" while others noted he had gotten his life back � while Gulf residents had not. British environmental groups immediately slammed Hayward's outing. Charlie Kronick of Greenpeace said Hayward was "rubbing salt into the wounds" of Gulf residents whose livelihoods have been wrecked by the disaster. "Clearly it is incredibly insulting for him to be sailing in the Isle of Wight," he said. Hugh Walding of Friends of the Earth said Hayward's choice of venue was sure to arouse anger. "I'm sure that this will be seen as yet another public relations disaster," Walding said. On Thursday, Hayward told lawmakers on a U.S. House investigations panel that he was out of the loop on decisions surrounding the blown well. Both Democrats and Republicans were infuriated when he asserted, "I'm not stonewalling." The next day, BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg seemed to suggest that Hayward was being withdrawn from the front line of the oil spill response, although his comments were later qualified. "It is clear that Tony has made remarks that have upset people," Svanberg told Sky News television, adding that Hayward was "now handing over" daily operations to BP Managing Director Bob Dudley. Williams said Svanberg was misunderstood and that only a transition to Dudley, an American with 30 years in the oil business, had begun. "Hayward is very much in charge until we've stopped the leak," she told the AP on Saturday. Wine said "there's not a hard and fast date" on when Dudley will be completely in charge. It was not clear whether Hayward actually took part in Saturday's race or attended as a spectator. Williams said Hayward was there with his son. A British news agency took a picture of what it thought was Hayward on the yacht that he owns with other investors, but BP would not confirm that it was Hayward. Peta Stuart-Hunt, a press officer for the event, said Hayward "wasn't listed on any of the crew list." "If he is on the boat, he's in contravention of the rules," she said. Hayward's boat finished fourth in its class. This year's attendees at Isle of Wight race included British Olympic gold medal sailor Ben Ainslie.

I know some people are probably gonna hate me for reviving this thread - sorry - but there is an important update in the issue.

Obama did a good thing to put in place a short and TEMPORARY 6-month moratorium on new oil drilling in the face of the current disaster, to give time for decision/rules on how to pursue new oil drilling around USA.

But oil companies had other ideas. Never mind that Gulf of Mexico right now is in terrible shape and many people are affected, let alone environment. All this time, BP and their brothers-in-arms have been pushing hard to repeal this moratorium ASAP, and so they found an ally in the Supreme Court who just did that.

But thats not what pissed me off. What really ticked me off is the LANGUAGE that the judge used to justify his decision. It is more despicable than the countless gaffes of BP.

Those greedy oil corporations, with no face and no dignity or respect. Drill more oil! Who cares about the spill! DRILL DRILL DRILL ...

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The judge said the lengthy ban was "invalid" and could not be justified, as the negative impact on local businesses was simply too great. The White House said it would be appealing against the decision. "An invalid agency decision to suspend drilling of wells in the depths over 500ft simply cannot justify the immeasurable effect on the plaintiffs, the local economy, the Gulf region and the critical present-day aspect of the availability of domestic energy in this country," judge Martin Feldman said. Energy needs The decision to overturn the ban follows heavy lobbying by the oil industry.

HELLO??? What about the negative impact that this oil spill caused on the many businesses, individuals, families, local communities in the region, tourism, etc? Ridiculous.

Its all about money, folks. Noone gives a shit. Fuck the environment. Ignorance is bliss. All I am doing is pissing off some folks on TA who would rather read about Justin Bieber & Miley Cyrus? Or no? Die thread die?

//fuck it, end of story. Full article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10377836.stm

"US Gulf oil drilling ban overturned by federal judge"

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Originally posted by Magnetonium HELLO??? What about the negative impact that this oil spill caused on the many businesses, individuals, families, local communities in the region, tourism, etc? Ridiculous.

It's not even just about the Gulf coast anymore, the damage has been done for a lot of them. The ban was needed because the gov org which was supposed to over see responsible drilling has been a farce. The ban (in my hopes) was to give the gov time to re-examin past approved drilling projects, and correct 'mistakes'. That's the what the judge really forgot to mention.

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petrol is everywhere, vehicles are just a small part of the picture.

Trolls will be trolls

Care to support your point of view?

I do:



P.S. why do you think BP is different than rest of big 4?
They just got unlucky and had an accident.
I'm pretty sure rest of them have exactly same equipment and their own problems.
P.P.S.

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I actually wonder how much automobile use accounts for ones overall petroleum usage - as Malek said, oil is needed everywhere - particularly in plastics, which are everywhere.

I know oil is needed, but not in N.A., it's needed in China, where 90% of everyday crap is produced nowadays.

^^^What is your source? I have heard that it does not account for much, but I don't have any figures. Just wondering what your source is?

None other than http://www.eia.doe.gov/

Is this good enough?

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Originally posted by exraver None other than http://www.eia.doe.gov/ Is this good enough?

Did you also know that the population is also increasing? There are many factors that explain the growth for oil demand. There will ALWAYS be a demand for energy, whatever the source of it is - in this case, oil.

A little graph or a combination of statistics doesnt necessarily mean anything. It can be interpreted in many ways.

Gallons per day per capita

I know my engrish sux, but... who cares.
It's specifically states per day, for each person. Whatever.

It's just never cease to amuse me, exactly same people, who're complaining about BP now, live in 3000 sq. ft. house for 3-4 people, have 2-3 SUV/minivans/trucks in the garage, and they're the ones making big stink about BP.
Get rid of your big gas guzzlers, move to a smaller place, take public transport to work.
Stop being such hypocrites.

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Originally posted by exraver Gallons per day per capita I know my engrish sux, but... who cares. It's specifically states per day, for each person. Whatever. It's just never cease to amuse me, exactly same people, who're complaining about BP now, live in 3000 sq. ft. house for 3-4 people, have 2-3 SUV/minivans/trucks in the garage, and they're the ones making big stink about BP. Get rid of your big gas guzzlers, move to a smaller place, take public transport to work. Stop being such hypocrites.

I have a 2010 Toyota Yaris. What a gas guzzler it is! 800 km on a 50 litre tank of gas.

Yes, North Americans are very inefficient when it comes to energy use, but not all of us ... some of us genuinely do care about the issues and the environment, so you shouldn't be branding us together. Thats why we're talking about it here - millions of Americans dont even give a shit, they're too busy driving hummers to McDonalds every day.

What car do you have, sir? Honestly. In my case, there are absolutely no means of getting to my job other than having a car - rural area - plus my work requires driving, i.e. not just getting to and from work.

Also, those statistics are faulty. North America / Europe is already developed, and the use of transportation there is closer to the peak than the opposite.

They dont take into consideration the massive economic growth of BRIC countries (Brazil-Russia-India-China), which will mean HUGE demand for vehicles/transportation now and in the future, more oil demand, and bigger world participation in the usage of oil for transportation.

Many regions of the world are very poor, but once their economies (i.e. China, India) start clicking, they will be buying cars and stuff because they don't want to get left behind of our lifestyle.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I have a 2010 Toyota Yaris. What a gas guzzler it is! 800 km on a 50 litre tank of gas.

Still a ripoff, compared to Golf TDI. I used to get 1000/40, driving mine.

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What car do you have, sir? Honestly.

Car? I didn't put myself in the position, where I need car for survival.
I ride my fixie during season, and TTC during winter.
Can you beat that?

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get left behind of our lifestyle.

Your lifestyle? You mean where 2% of world population consume 25% of world resources?

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Originally posted by exraver Still a ripoff, compared to Golf TDI. I used to get 1000/40, driving mine. Car? I didn't put myself in the position, where I need car for survival. I ride my fixie during season, and TTC during winter. Can you beat that?

I dont live in Toronto - so sorrrrrrrrrrrrry - I am not as good as you. You probably do know that majority of Canadian population doesnt live near Toronto - its a big country with a lot of rural areas.

When I bought my car, I took environment and price into consideration. Its the best match I could find. I was not going to buy a used car again (bad experiences), and I cant afford anything more expensive.

Gulf of Mexico. Oil painting. 21st century.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I have a 2010 Toyota Yaris. What a gas guzzler it is! 800 km on a 50 litre tank of gas.

I drive a yaris hatch. They only have 42 L tanks, and no way ur hitting 800 km on a tank of gas. ud have to be an INSANELY anal and hardcore (and effective!) hyper-miler.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar I drive a yaris hatch. They only have 42 L tanks, and no way ur hitting 800 km on a tank of gas. ud have to be an INSANELY anal and hardcore (and effective!) hyper-miler.

Is it 2010 model? I guessed for the tank size, I knew it was over 40L and no more than 50L.

For me its definitely OVER 700km per tank, I had the car for 5 weeks and last time it was 720km - it is easy to track because I only have over a thousand kilometres driven in total on speedometer - and I wasnt so smooth with the clutch/acceleration - its my first standard transmission car ever (took one week to learn). I can imagine that once I get even more effective, I can improve my mileage. Plus I dont do much of city driving, I walk around to get my groceries, driving the car is mostly for long-haul, highway/rural roads. If my memory serves me correctly, it has slightly better highway mileage than city.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Is it 2010 model? I guessed for the tank size, I knew it was over 40L and no more than 50L. For me its definitely OVER 700km per tank, I had the car for 5 weeks and last time it was 720km - it is easy to track because I only have over a thousand kilometres driven in total on speedometer - and I wasnt so smooth with the clutch/acceleration - its my first standard transmission car ever (took one week to learn). I can imagine that once I get even more effective, I can improve my mileage. Plus I dont do much of city driving, I walk around to get my groceries, driving the car is mostly for long-haul, highway/rural roads. If my memory serves me correctly, it has slightly better highway mileage than city.

I still find 720 hard to believe, unless like the *entire tank* really is hwy, as you say... Seeing as hwy mileage is rated 5.5L/100km for our car, which for a 42 litre tank would be ~760km per tank... so long as your entire tank is truly hwy.

City mileage always brings my tanks down, as im usually more than 50 or 60% city.

Yaris Highway mileage is much better than city... EPA ratings are 5.5 L/100km vs 7.1 L/100km ... which is abt 51 mpg hwy (imperial) vs 40 mpg city.

I know that on pure hwy trips, i usually am averaging between 5.2 and 5.7 L/100km (i have a ScanGauge that displays my mileage for tank, trip, day and previous day, as well as my instantaneous mileage... though that reading is not that usfull since its so wildy varies up and down based on acceleration (!!!), wind, grade/slope of the road you're on, etc.)

And my yaris is a 2007. Same generation as ur 2010. All the same core specs for mileage, etc.

Oh shit! So it turns out that the Supreme Court judge who reversed the ban on oil drilling - he clearly made the judgement based on personal bias. The douche owned (and was forced to sell to cover his ass) stocks in various oil and drilling companies! Oh man, this story is just getting uglier and uglier ...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/..._gulf_oil_spill

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� A financial disclosure report released Friday shows that the Louisiana judge who struck down the Obama administration's six-month ban on deep-water drilling in the Gulf has sold many of his energy investments. U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman still owns eight energy-related investments, including stock in Exxon Mobil Corp. Among the assets he sold was stock in Transocean, which owned the rig that exploded.

Anyone with a bit of cash has oil stocks one way or the other...

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Originally posted by malek Anyone with a bit of cash has oil stocks one way or the other...

Yeah, but this guy is a SUPREME COURT judge. He's not just a regular dude on the street supporting BP because he owns their stocks. The whole country depends on judges' unbiased and honest decisions on very important matters. He should know better and not exercise his decision-making abilities in cases where it comes to matters of conflicting personal interests.

Interests of the country and the public need to be their priority over personal preference and bias. Just like with other occupations, be it police officers or politicians. When they don't, thats when bad things happen. Thats when laws start breaking down, accidents happen, when corruption becomes a serious problem.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Yeah, but this guy is a SUPREME COURT judge. He's not just a regular dude on the street supporting BP because he owns their stocks. The whole country depends on judges' unbiased and honest decisions on very important matters. He should know better and not exercise his decision-making abilities in cases where it comes to matters of conflicting personal interests. Interests of the country and the public need to be their priority over personal preference and bias. Just like with other occupations, be it police officers or politicians. When they don't, thats when bad things happen. Thats when laws start breaking down, accidents happen, when corruption becomes a serious problem.

sure, when the USA will become the Sovietic United States of America then the people's priorities will be his (by force of course)... till then, these things happen and will happen again, and I don't see anything wrong with that. Legislators are there to balance the judiciary power.

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