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Posted by Sushipunk on Jul-08-2010 02:34:

Trance Nutter uses INTERNET RESEARCH.

IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE!


Posted by idoru on Jul-08-2010 02:35:

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisWChandler
Yeah that might make sense if I hadn't demonstrated knowledge of beer and they hadn't both demonstrated total ignorance.


Knowledge != taste buds.

What beer you enjoy is exactly the same as what music you enjoy. Your favorite beers are neither better nor worse than their favorite beers. It's this whole, "my taste is the best and all others are wrong" attitude that has people claiming your sitting on your high horse.


Posted by ChrisWChandler on Jul-08-2010 02:38:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
Knowledge != taste buds.

What beer you enjoy is exactly the same as what music you enjoy. Your favorite beers are neither better nor worse than their favorite beers. It's this whole, "my taste is the best and all others are wrong" attitude that has people claiming your sitting on your high horse.


Except I am not arguing against people's taste, but instead against people who don't know anything about beer who believe that German beer is somehow 'pure' because they don't understand what the Reinheitsgebot is.

People have different taste in music, but there are absolute facts in relation to music, just as with beer. Someone might say a note is 'B' when it is really 'D', and they would be wrong, because not everything is a matter of taste.


Posted by ChrisWChandler on Jul-08-2010 02:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance Nutter
well argued


and just for shits n giggles I did go look it up, and amazingly enough it means exactly what I thought



haughty attitude, contemptuous manner, arrogance. Exactly how you're acting.


Exactly how am I behaving in an arrogant way? The arrogant people are those who assume they are right without actually knowing, which certainly does not describe me in this thread.


Posted by idoru on Jul-08-2010 02:46:

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisWChandler
Except I am not arguing against people's taste, but instead against people who don't know anything about beer who believe that German beer is somehow 'pure' because they don't understand what the Reinheitsgebot is.


Alright, but how is telling somebody that they have "nothing else to add to this discussion" and that they should "stop posting here" not an example of being arrogant?

quote:
People have different taste in music, but there are absolute facts in relation to music, just as with beer. Someone might say a note is 'B' when it is really 'D', and they would be wrong, because not everything is a matter of taste.


So? You're the one going around telling Canadians that they're wrong and "arrogant" for preferring Canadian beer above all.

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisWChandler
quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Canada has some of the best microbreweries around. I've drank beer in over 25 countries and nothing compares to even the so so microbreweries canada has.


Not even close to the US, I am afraid.

I think part of the problem is Canadians already have quite an arrogant attitude to their nation's beer and unwilling to experiment or embrace ideas from other cultures. It's not unlike the situation in Germany, actually.

I am sorry, but with this and your earlier comment it is quite clear that you have nothing to add to this discussion so perhaps you could stop posting here. Thank you.


But whatever. If you want to keep on keeping on, then have at it.


Posted by ChrisWChandler on Jul-08-2010 02:50:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
Alright, but how is telling somebody that they have "nothing else to add to this discussion" and that they should "stop posting here" not an example of being arrogant?



So? You're the one going around telling Canadians that they're wrong and "arrogant" for preferring Canadian beer above all.



Not even close to the US, I am afraid.

I think part of the problem is Canadians already have quite an arrogant attitude to their nation's beer and unwilling to experiment or embrace ideas from other cultures. It's not unlike the situation in Germany, actually.

I am sorry, but with this and your earlier comment it is quite clear that you have nothing to add to this discussion so perhaps you could stop posting here. Thank you.


But whatever. If you want to keep on keeping on, then have at it. [/QUOTE]

Arrogant for assuming that Canadian beer is somehow better than American beer without having drunk enough of either to make that judgement. Arrogant for disregarding the opinions (albeit subjective) of experts.


Posted by idoru on Jul-08-2010 02:53:

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisWChandler
Arrogant for assuming that Canadian beer is somehow better than American beer without having drunk enough of either to make that judgement. Arrogant for disregarding the opinions (albeit subjective) of experts.


If Roger Ebert says a movie is brilliant and you hate it, does that make you arrogant? Who the fuck are you to know how much American beer he has or hasn't consumed?


Posted by ChrisWChandler on Jul-08-2010 02:55:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
If Roger Ebert says a movie is brilliant and you hate it, does that make you arrogant? Who the fuck are you to know how much American beer he has or hasn't consumed?


He said himself that he had never drunk a good American beer.

Since there are beers of similar styles being made in both Canada and America by microbreweries it simply would not be possible for him to like the ones made in Canada and not the ones made in America, assuming he had had the ones made in America.

America has a greater number of artisan breweries producing the very finest beers, which is why it's overall a better beer nation than Canada, although Canada also has a number of great breweries.


Posted by idoru on Jul-08-2010 02:55:

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisWChandler
He said himself that he had never drunk a good American beer.


So? That just means that every American beer he has consumed has been less than enjoyable. That's personal taste, not arrogance.

quote:
Since there are beers of similar styles being made in both Canada and America by microbreweries it simply would not be possible for him to like the ones made in Canada and not the ones made in America, assuming he had had the ones made in America.


Tell that to his taste buds.

quote:
America has a greater number of artisan breweries producing the very finest beers, which is why it's overall a better beer nation than Canada, although Canada also has a number of great breweries.


"Finest beers" is a personal taste, once again. I don't know how you could possibly be this fucking retarded.


Posted by ChrisWChandler on Jul-08-2010 02:59:

BTW Roger Ebert doesn't dismiss movies without having watched them, which is the difference between Roger Ebert and our Canadian friend.


Posted by idoru on Jul-08-2010 03:00:

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisWChandler
BTW Roger Ebert doesn't dismiss movies without having watched them, which is the difference between Roger Ebert and our Canadian friend.


Roger Ebert also doesn't blindly assume that people haven't seen many movies.


Posted by ChrisWChandler on Jul-08-2010 03:00:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
So? That just means that every American beer he has consumed has been less than enjoyable. That's personal taste, not arrogance.



Tell that to his taste buds.



"Finest beers" is a personal taste, once again. I don't know how you could possibly be this fucking retarded.



I don't khow how you could possibly be this fucking retarded to take this personal taste point this far. You clearly lost your way about three posts ago.


Posted by Scratchula on Jul-08-2010 03:01:

He came across as one of those ultra patriotic Canadian nationalists who hates everything American, while seemingly unaware that he lives in a country that's entirely dominated by America and has no culture of its own.


Posted by idoru on Jul-08-2010 03:01:

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisWChandler
I don't khow how you could possibly be this fucking retarded to take this personal taste point this far. You clearly lost your way about three posts ago.


I'm going to make this the second time that someone has mentioned "pot/kettle" to you.


Posted by ChrisWChandler on Jul-08-2010 03:03:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
I'm going to make this the second time that someone has mentioned "pot/kettle" to you.


I'll turn that one right around pal.

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
Fuck German beer. The state of Oregon happens to make the best beer in the world...


Posted by idoru on Jul-08-2010 03:04:

Yup, that's my personal taste. What of it?


Posted by ChrisWChandler on Jul-08-2010 03:05:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
Yup, that's my personal taste. What of it?


So it's personal taste for you, arrogance for me.

Alright.


Posted by idoru on Jul-08-2010 03:07:

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisWChandler
So it's personal taste for you, arrogance for me.

Alright.


The difference being that I don't look down on people that don't share my opinion. My "shut your filthy whore mouth" comment was said in jest. I respect others opinions, whether they love PBR, Heineken, some absolutely obscure Australian beer or even dog piss. You, on the other hand, seem to think that people are wrong and look down on them if they don't share the same line of taste/opinions as you.


Posted by ChrisWChandler on Jul-08-2010 03:12:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
The difference being that I don't look down on people that don't share my opinion. My "shut your filthy whore mouth" comment was said in jest. I respect others opinions, whether they love PBR, Heineken, some absolutely obscure Australian beer or even dog piss. You, on the other hand, seem to think that people are wrong and look down on them if they don't share the same line of taste/opinions as you.


It's almost as if you haven't read a single post in this thread.

All I have said is that German beers are not regarded to be great beers, and that is a view shared by experts of beer.

I do not honestly care if someone wants to drink Bud Light all day and thinks of beer only as an alcohol delivery system.

What I do care about is people totally ignorant of beer making comments on subjects they don't understand, and that has nothing to do with personal taste.


Posted by idoru on Jul-08-2010 03:14:

I'm not even going to bother anymore. Jesus wept.


Posted by ChrisWChandler on Jul-08-2010 03:15:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
I'm not even going to bother anymore. Jesus wept.


You say that without a hint of irony, which makes it all the more tragic.


Posted by Lews on Jul-08-2010 03:16:

Whose alt is this?


Posted by idoru on Jul-08-2010 03:17:

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisWChandler
You say that without a hint of irony, which makes it all the more tragic.


So heartbreaking.


Posted by ChrisWChandler on Jul-08-2010 03:18:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
So heartbreaking.



Oblivious to all around him, it's like conversing with an autistic.


Posted by idoru on Jul-08-2010 03:21:

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisWChandler
Oblivious to all around him, it's like conversing with an autistic.


My, aren't we just the spitting image of butthurt?


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