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I come here for two things:

-talk about music with others
-get exposure to new music

Good on the long-timers for providing these

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Or unicorns.

Supreme horses

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Originally posted by Teezdalien Just a question for you and I mean no disrespect, but exactly how do you equate being a forum veteran here to having superior musical knowledge.

I don't, although there is some correlation. in any case, it should be fairly apparent when someone is completely clueless from the way they post.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Yeah I would like YOU folks that think you are more than a newbie to add a few words with every post you do and just show some decency and not implying to present a fact.

But we get tired of doing it all the fucking time. It's a matter of patience, being bombarded every day with silly shit is there a way to avoid becoming jaded about it?

Personally I just try to stay away from threads that do not interest me, but some people have trouble doing that.

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I always thought that US older ones should try to be a good example to younger ones. I must be really old for thinking this....

I was not aware this place was a training school for good etiquette.

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What a total lame excuse. Who told you to be the one who knows what actually is better music? To me it sound like you really earned the title to be an Elite. Someone mentioned high horses?

Look, I have no problem admitting that there is always some degree of subjectivity about music, and that there are many many people here who are more knowledgeable about me. This isn't about being superior to others. However there's gotta be a limit somewhere on where to take someone seriously or not, surely? If some noob pops up raving about Ke$ha and Justin Bieber as the gods of music, would you waste time arguing with that person for real in any musical debate?

I'm sorry if you feel left out for not everyone valuing your opinions, but that's just the way it is.

Lately I'm trying to post by the rule of, "Ignore the bad, promote the good." So if someone posts about a track I think is awful, I usually ignore it rather than flaming it, posting a long critique of it, or getting into a big argument about it.

I used to find a sort of perverse fun in being negative about the music I disliked and really laying into it, but now it seems tiresome. I don't want to use up my energy dealing with crap, even if it's to try and "convert" people away from it by telling them precisely why I think it's crap. There's too much good music out there that deserves my time and attention for that.

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Originally posted by noikeee But we get tired of doing it all the fucking time. It's a matter of patience, being bombarded every day with silly shit is there a way to avoid becoming jaded about it? Personally I just try to stay away from threads that do not interest me, but some people have trouble doing that.

Well, if you�re that tired of doing it just don�t reply at all. Others won�t know you reached that point so they will think that�s the normal way of replying.

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I was not aware this place was a training school for good etiquette.

For some people this place isn�t reality and act differently than in real life.
I think older ones should try to be an example everywhere.
I used �try� as of course some fun and also some flaming is okay.

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Look, I have no problem admitting that there is always some degree of subjectivity about music, and that there are many many people here who are more knowledgeable about me. This isn't about being superior to others. However there's gotta be a limit somewhere on where to take someone seriously or not, surely? If some noob pops up raving about Ke$ha and Justin Bieber as the gods of music, would you waste time arguing with that person for real in any musical debate? I'm sorry if you feel left out for not everyone valuing your opinions, but that's just the way it is.

Yes, there is a limit, but for some that limit already is reached if only one of the words Armin, Tiesto, A.S.O.T., uplifting, anthem, supersaw or minimal is mentioned in the OP.
No I wouldn�t argue, but if I felt the need to reply at all I would still do it in a polite way. Also in the late 80�s, early 90�s a lot of EDM got flamed. The same stuff now is called quality. If someone is raving about an artist at least this means that artist is bringing him or her a lot of joy, and I still think that�s the most important thing about music. Quality and all technical stuff behind it IMO is less important.

I don�t expect anyone to value my opinion actually, but that won�t stop me sharing it. Sometimes it�s good to show there is a lot of grey between black and white.

Nice to see some REAL replies in this thread

(keep it up!)

this forum is starting to feel like apartheid.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Lately I'm trying to post by the rule of, "Ignore the bad, promote the good." So if someone posts about a track I think is awful, I usually ignore it rather than flaming it, posting a long critique of it, or getting into a big argument about it. I used to find a sort of perverse fun in being negative about the music I disliked and really laying into it, but now it seems tiresome. I don't want to use up my energy dealing with crap, even if it's to try and "convert" people away from it by telling them precisely why I think it's crap. There's too much good music out there that deserves my time and attention for that.

I've been trying to keep that attitude going myself, lately

Mostly I just get annoyed when people post in the wrong section, these days.

to be frank,

i'm sure we all agree that ta has evolved in its community, but what doesn't evolve nowadays? i've been here for a long time and the scene has certainly changed from way back.. but that's obvious with almost everything but i definitely do miss those times.

i believe we all have the freedom to express our beliefs regardless of what people say.. this is to promote discussion of course but usually ends up in some unnecessary flame fight.

i think we all should give our opinions but at least share some respect with people who have been here for a long time.. as well as those who have just joined.

i mean, we do want to bring more people into the edm community right? we all share the same passion for electronic dance music and there is no other place to be other than tranceaddict, plain & simple.

anywho.. just sharing my thoughts with you all!

I've been sitting on this one for a while trying to decide how to say what I want to say. My opinion can basically be summed up in the following quote:

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Originally posted by StalkerElmo i believe we all have the freedom to express our beliefs regardless of what people say.. this is to promote discussion i think we all should give our opinions but at least share some respect with people who have been here for a long time.. as well as those who have just joined.

Sometimes, it's difficult to not get upset when similar topics keep getting posted again and again by new forum members so I can't really get upset at those who decide to express their displeasure with it. Sometimes, it's not always expressed in the most tactful manner though and I don't think that there is too much that can be done about that.

About the music: My tastes have changed quite substantially and I find that most of these posts about the latest uplifting trance tracks are largely ignored by me. I do read some of the threads, and have found lately that the flaming overall isn't as bad as it used to be, but it still does come up now and again. Well thought out constructive criticism I think is quite beneficial to the forums, but this obviously takes more time than to say something along the lines of "shit track" when you don't care for it. Although sometimes I do find it humorous when such responses are given. It's hard to say whether most here who give these responses do so because it is quick, humorous (to them), or both.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Lately I'm trying to post by the rule of, "Ignore the bad, promote the good." So if someone posts about a track I think is awful, I usually ignore it rather than flaming it, posting a long critique of it, or getting into a big argument about it.

I would prefer if people didn't necessarily follow this rule, especially the veterans here (maybe because I respect their opinions more because they have more diverse experience with electronic music, maybe because their opinions are more in-line with mine, I can't say). I don't really want their to be only positive reviews in every thread I go into, because that would make it much more time consuming to find anything that is interesting to me. Constructive criticism helps me out a lot in determining whether I give a thread a good read/a track a good listen or not.



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I also think this is a good time to credit a few veterans here on suggestions they have made that I have appreciated:

Right now I'm listening mostly to 00db and Solar Fields.

Rebel9 had a fairly big presence in the 00db thread about their last album and was the OP in one of the only Solar Fields threads I could find in the search. When he has a recommendation on trance, I usually give it a listen. I bought a CD by BUS because I liked the opening track in one of his old mixes.

SystemJ in the Chicane thread mentioned how Ultimae (the record label the Solar Fields is signed to) sends out postcards and incense with their CDs (this would make me think that he has ordered things off of that label as well). His critiques of tracks for the most part are well thought out and constructive so I usually am interested in what he has to say as well.

One veteran who I respect just based on their vast knowledge of the music is Sand Leaper. I usually take a listen to his mixes which are in similar genres that I listen to just to see if the more obscure tracks he picks are ones I would like as well. I find he doesn't post as much as SystemJ or Rebel9, but I don't recall him ever trying to stir the pot. (Thanks again for finally identifying that Dutch Dimension track). =)

I always enjoy reading GrimReaper's (I think that's the name) posts just from a general knowledge perspective on label histories and special releases.

Lastly, Mr. Mystery. I'm still on the fence because of his earlier days where it was mostly flaming from him, but he can have constructive criticism at times as well. I really liked one of his Al Azar tracks back in the day and respect his constructive opinion when he gives it.

These were just a few people off the top of my head that I wanted to give some credit to because they have impacted my listening and I appreciate it. Thanks. Of course there are others, but these were the first ones that came to mind.

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You�re perfectly justified in turning up your nose at us hipster. Hipster? Yeah I know... I am talking about a broad scene encompassing thousands labels that I�ve never even heard or heard of. Yes, I am talking about something I don�t understand. Yes, I�m painting the swedish house scene and the most underground minimal with the same broad stroke and calling it all shit music. And now that the cat�s out of the bag quit lording your views over us. Stop tainting our discussions and driving newcomers away. If we�re on here talking about our favorite producers new TRANCE single we don�t care about how much more important and credible the 20-Minute-plink-shit-nobody-is-ever-going-to-fucking-buy is. If we�re talking about our favorite artists new album ( Chicane for example) zip your stupid mouth shut because nobody cares what you think about somebody else's career. You have nothing to add to our discussion here about trance and we don't give two shits about the crappy gonowhere tech house rockthrons you tricked yourself into liking. We�re talking about something entirely different.

The most I hate about this forum is the newcomers posting their new favourite trance track. Very tiresome and..

I rather listen to this "20-Minute-plink-shit-nobody-is-ever-going-to-fucking-buy is" track over any trance song.

And I hate Swedish House Mafia too!

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Originally posted by epicaricacy this forum is starting to feel like apartheid.

glad i'm white then!

without reading most of the posts here!

the best thing is just to let other oppinions be as they are! if i like a track and someone bitches and complains about it, so what? its the internet, everybody is nearly anonymous and therefore the language and attitude sometimes aren't the best here!

but really, if that is a problem for you, the online life isn't a good place for you!

don't be so thin-skinned, relax and enjoy your music!

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Originally posted by Tenshi without reading most of the posts here! the best thing is just to let other oppinions be as they are! if i like a track and someone bitches and complains about it, so what? its the internet, everybody is nearly anonymous and therefore the language and attitude sometimes aren't the best here! but really, if that is a problem for you, the online life isn't a good place for you! don't be so thin-skinned, relax and enjoy your music!

I am not Anonymous I am a sadistic tomato-licker.

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Originally posted by Tenshi without reading most of the posts here! the best thing is just to let other oppinions be as they are! if i like a track and someone bitches and complains about it, so what? its the internet, everybody is nearly anonymous and therefore the language and attitude sometimes aren't the best here! but really, if that is a problem for you, the online life isn't a good place for you! don't be so thin-skinned, relax and enjoy your music!

+1

The same people here are always gonna bitch about the same things all the time. Better get used to it, ignore 'em, and move on.

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Originally posted by Tenshi without reading most of the posts here! the best thing is just to let other oppinions be as they are! if i like a track and someone bitches and complains about it, so what? its the internet, everybody is nearly anonymous and therefore the language and attitude sometimes aren't the best here! but really, if that is a problem for you, the online life isn't a good place for you! don't be so thin-skinned, relax and enjoy your music!

Well said, I've always been open to other's opinion when it comes to music, wether it's constructive or not. Tenshi, for example, has really good taste in progressive/trance tracks and when it comes to psy-trance/classic trance I usually follow up on Rebel9 and a few others, but that's my opinion and that's the whole point of why this thread was as useful as a Steve Agnello set.

rolling on doves.

People are just stupid.
Plus, they always think they're right, and that their taste is better than everyone else's.

I vote for a new mankind.

i like the music discussion forum the way it is - if it wasnt it'd just be like trance.nu - which would mean i would stop coming here Yeah its like sooo friendly and everyone loves each other - but jesus they talk about crap music.

on the whole most of the people on here blast other peoples tastes have been here for a while - and have been into dance music for ages - they generally arent totally obscene about the abuse - just funny and educational a lot of the time.

so all in all - i agree with system-j - some peeps gotta harden up - or go to some other unicorn friendly site where you can all frolick together, crossbread rhino and horse dna and create real life unicorns :hugs:

I remember everyone on TA being very nice back in circa 2001-2002, I think the common like for the same music brought everyone together - before I even knew what I was listening to was Trance - I seriously thought I was the only person in the World who listened to the stuff - and then much to my disbelief there were hundreds of thousands of others - you bastards!!!!

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Originally posted by PSi I seriously thought I was the only person in the World who listened to the stuff - and then much to my disbelief there were hundreds of thousands of others - you bastards!!!!

I thought the same in 1994, until I saw the 1995 Love Parade on t.v. with 400.000 people
I just wasn't seriously convinced I was the only one, but still probably one of the few in my neighbourhood

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